Why is the old testament so cryptic?

I don't think I've ever read anything like it, it's so eery: zoroastrian scripture just reads like plain, contemplative philosophy, islam just reads like a mixture of prayers and folklore, buddhist scriptures are almost exactly the same as philosophy.

The only thing I haven't read and that may be equally cryptic might be the vedas, but the bible is so strange to me, the symbols, the narratives, the interactions, the people, the way people think and live their lives, the things that people say, even the people living around them are very scary, eery and cryptic people.

The revelations are so strange too, everything revealed from god in the bible is so unusual compared to surrounding folklore, often even being downright the opposite of what neighboring cultures would expect.

The prophets and sages are extremely strange people too, considering most of the things they considered virtuous wouldn't be vindicated by platonism for the next 400-500 years or so; i mean, walking around the desert naked, fasting for 40 days on water, running "away from god" for days on end, eating scripture scrolls.

And their visions too, wheels with eyes, wings with eyes etc., its all very cryptic, like I'm not in on something.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nature of being israeli

    Alot of people's understanding of the old testament comes from Christians ideals but in Judaism its very different

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      jews worship an evil entity, all abrahamics are evil

      Very diverse and intellectually stimulating responses

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The OT was written by Greeks though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The NT was written by Greek-speaking israelites, the OT was written by Hebrew and Aramaic speaking israelites

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      judaism was invented well into the early medieval times.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're being intentionally obtuse. Judaism is thousands of years old, it was simply more of a folk religion before the introduction of the Masoretic Text in the 1th century AD. This is the same text that serves as the basis of the OT in Protestant Bibles by the way, including all English translations since the KJV.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Judaism is thousands of years old
          It was invented around the ~700/800's, whenever the Talmud was written. So I'll give it a little over a thousand years. What you're describing afterwards is something detached from your prior statement.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Talmud was just a set of theological guidelines for Rabbis. It was never a foundatiuonal text for israelites. It held a lot of importance at one point, but it was never on the same level as the Torah

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What you're saying it something detached from reality. Judaism isn't based on anything in the Bible, Torah or otherwise.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Judaism isn't based on anything in the Bible, Torah or otherwise.
            Except for the parts that are lmao. I know you're a schizo that desperately wants to divorse Christianity from its israeli origins but it's never going to happen. Even the Masoretic Text that was compiled by israeli scribes came long after the Talmud, and it's the textual basis of the OT. Like it or not, half the Christian Bible is the israeli Bible

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nope, not even close. You should get a pay cut from whoever is paying you, you're not doing your job too well.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Even the Masoretic Text
            The KJV actually doesn't use that, it uses Daniel Bomberg's 1525 edition of the text. It differs in at least a few noticeable places from the Ben Asher Masoretic, which is what the modern versions use.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        even what idiots call "talmudic judaism" existed in perfectly recognizable form under the Roman empire. Just read the Mishnah and Tosefta.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >just read these pozzed nonsense irrelevant israelite texts
          Nah, not going to. Cry about it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm curious, what does "pozzed" even mean in your schizo brain? Do you think AIDS existed back then? Do you think it's "pozzed" to stone sexual deviants to death?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This exactly.

        even what idiots call "talmudic judaism" existed in perfectly recognizable form under the Roman empire. Just read the Mishnah and Tosefta.

        Those are literally medieval.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They were literally written while the Second Temple was still standing, anon.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There was no first temple. The second temple was literally built by the Greek occupiers and first dedicated to Zeus.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >hmmm AKSHUALLY there was no first temple
            no one cares you mongoloid

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There wasn't. Every single temple and home shrine is dedicated to a pagan deity. Every single one. Let that sink in. There is zero direct evidence of judaism or monotheism prior to the Maccabean revolt.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Maccabean revolt was in 167 BC

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            but there was. he's coping

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    jews worship an evil entity, all abrahamics are evil

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ooooh, love your mom and dad, respect the elder, help the poor, be righteous and humble, oooh how evil.

      Righteousness looks like wickedness to the wicked.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus spoke in parables
    Seek and ye shall find

    • 3 weeks ago
      Cult of Passion

      >Found and they shall seek.
      [adjusts tie]

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus is in the new testament you puddinghead

      Nature of being israeli

      Alot of people's understanding of the old testament comes from Christians ideals but in Judaism its very different

      This all depends on whether or not you see the OT as an old doctrine that was supplanted by the Apostle Paul's doctrine of universality or not. Most Christians act like it's one way or the other depending on their personal fee-fees.
      I feel like the NT is mostly moral in character, while the OT is mostly either law and history.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Jesus is in the new testament you puddinghead
        OT literally starts with Jesus creating the universe and it's Jesus this and Jesus that from there.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, making it esoteric would make the text more likely to last unaltered throughout centuries of regime changes. If an occupying power interprets it as nonsensical babbling then there isnt much reason to destroy it and not many ways to pervert it to solidify their rule.

    With the way revelation reads nothing like the rest of the New Testament and more like the old and is yet still canonical, maybe John of Patmos had the same strategy in mind?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But your average redneck moron can decipher it, right?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not that hard.
        What usually happens is the redneck moron is too lazy to read it so he defers to a "theologian" "pastor" etc. who just outright lies lol.
        Every verse used to justify something stupid is lacking mountains of context which you'd get if you just read the whole* thing instead of reading "top 10 verses on x" articles.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao where did I even suggest that? I dont think most Christians understand even the dumbed down and probably corrupted parts of the Bible. From the writers perspective thousands of years ago they could have even been figuring:
        >if there is a messiah they will truly understand this
        >if there isnt then there isnt
        >better safe than sorry
        Like that one shitty argument some Christians use against atheists

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is just cope because it’s incoherent trash. Sikh holy books survived while they were brutally tortured and killed.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Explain how I am coping. What exactly do you think I am trying to suggest that you contest that I am coping with?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus didn’t have all the answers. It’s dunning kruger in effect, he couldn’t even wait a few years just started rambling like a schizo trying to stroke his own ego.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who do you think you are to scrutinize god?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off, you boot licking scum. Jesus can taste my scrotum too.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s dunning kruger

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the answer is pain, suffering and death for your sins. You just have to accept it by being a good boy

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's because it's a historical narrative. When it describes events it's doing so in a way in which it tells the events as they happened, but also in such a way as to reflect and foreshadow prophecy.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >implying its not all israeli lies

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's encoded isyn

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >islam just reads like a mixture of prayers and folklore
    Islamic scripture was written by like 1-2 guys at most. The OT was written by countless anonymous authors over hundreds of years and then subsequently revised and rewritten by later scribes and then edited further by countless translators. Hundreds, perhaps even thousands of hands have touched it before it ended up in your prefered Bible translation. That's also why it will sometimes reiterate the same narraratives, because that was common practice by ancient scribes, to reiterate other peoples writing in their own personal takes. That's also why I think The Bible is a way more interesting book from a literary perspective.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The final redpill is that the tanakh is extremely based

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's everyone's first impression I think, but after you learn the context and get acquainted with the ancient hebrews' semitic minds, you find out it's not all that strange after all.

    It's kinda the same for Japan which seems oh so alien and mysterious to Westerners, but once you get familiar with period texts (or even period fiction written much latter) you can pretty much predict what people will say or what will happen.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the only part I struggled with is the staircase metaphors old bible authors liked so much: Oh the thing of the given quality and the neighbouring thing of the similar quality! Took me a bit to realise I can ignore the second part.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ezekial 18:21
    >And the wicked man who turns back from all his offenses that he did and keeps all My statutes and does justice and righteousness, he shall surely live, he shall not die
    Doesn't this mean that in the Old Testament religion that those who committed a sin which would have a prescribed death penalty could avoid it if they genuinely repented?
    I am confused
    I know that they're speaking of it in terms of the Deutoronomy 30:19 but doesn't the plain meaning of the text state that the sinner who repents shall live?
    I feel like the Old Testament is completely schizo but I have recently started becoming passionate about it, in part because of that

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >doesn't the plain meaning of the text state that the sinner who repents shall live?
      Yup

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The tabernacle is awesome
    I wish I was able to see a replica and walk through it to imagine what it must have been like in the wilderness

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >eery

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I love how they say 'Here I am' to God

      The way I pictured it when I first read it is that Moses is walking in the dark and God is waiting for him, lurking in the darkness
      And like an hostile adversary hiding in the shadows, God suddenly rushes Moses and attempts to kill him
      It's bizarre especially with its placement immediately after God unfolds his plan for Moses and seems kind of unsavoury

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That is in fact, very cryptic and eery symbolism, I unironically can't even decipher what this is supposed to mean

        God literally wants to murder the uncircumcised

        Exactly.
        What does it mean, when an omnipotent being 'tries' to kill someone, and is halted by the foreskinblood of a child, rubbed on the feet by a woman.

        God didnt want Moses to be a hypocrite teaching the Israelites to be circumcised but skipping it for his own children.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Does that particular book say he's omnipotent? Does it define omnipotent?

          Foreskin Blood Magic... do Christians really?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            idk
            If you wanted a prophet guy to teach everyone about rules you wouldnt want him to flaunt the rules.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ok. So obviously you sexually abuse a child, mutilate them for life.
            Honestly if this is the creator of the universe, I would rather not exist...
            But alas you are just a child mutilator apologist.
            You should be killed.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Circumcision prior to AD 100 was just the very tip of the foreskin. literally just what was already loose from the glans. could be removed in one clean stroke.
            By AD 100 Rabbis started implementing "full" circumcision which meant ripping the entire foreskin from the glans; which, I hope you can understand, Is a much more traumatic endeavor, where they actually have to reach around the fragile glans with a sharp instrument.

            Since this original form of circumcision didnt even remove the foreskin, it's hard to call it "mutilation" IMO. Youre free to call it that. But then a lot* of things become mutilation.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That is in fact, very cryptic and eery symbolism, I unironically can't even decipher what this is supposed to mean

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God literally wants to murder the uncircumcised

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly.
        What does it mean, when an omnipotent being 'tries' to kill someone, and is halted by the foreskinblood of a child, rubbed on the feet by a woman.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly what it says. Circumcise your sons.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Does that particular book say he's omnipotent? Does it define omnipotent?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >God creates universe, reality, existence itself
            >Christian: yes, but does that mean he can kill a guy?

            lol you are beyond moronic...

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Moses given to his birth mother?
    Also did Moses commit murder when he killed the Egyptian overlord? He never repents of it
    Were black slaves justified in killing their white slavers because of what Moses did?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Also did Moses commit murder when he killed the Egyptian overlord? He never repents of it
      Killing a wicked man is called justice, not murder.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >eating scripture srolls
    lol based moronic narcisist schizos

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw you realize circumcision can be used as an argument for augmenting your body with bionics because is God is already ok with body modification

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