Why should I install this right now? What are its advantages compared to xorg?

Why should I install this right now?
What are its advantages compared to xorg?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No tearing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Enable TearFree in xorgt.conf.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >having to tinkertroon just for it to work

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >tinkertroon
          nice reddit meme.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I sincerely hope you aren't implying Wayland doesn't require tinkering to get normally expected desktop features working.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it just werks for me on gnome doebeit

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >tinkertroon
          ah, yes, tinkering, the domain of women and trannies.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          *meanwhile in /fwt/*
          >GUYS IVE BEEN FRICKING WITH .DLLS ALL DAY TRYING TO GET THIS GAME TO WORK ON MY LTSC GUMBALL MACHINE PC WAHHHHHHHHH

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why? You could just use a compositor that doesn't suck.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because all compositors suck.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Windows also manages to have no tearing without adding a frickton of latency.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >without adding a frickton of latency.
        lol
        https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/b0lek6/any_way_to_force_windows_dwm_to_get_rid_of_triple/

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nowhere in your leddit thread is latency stated to be a problem with the way windows does things. Not to mention, windows reliably dereferences fullscreen programs, whereas on linux, your distro may or may not properly dereference and it’s basically a crapshoot

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It can run without elevated privileges

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is the heckin' FUTURE, goy! It just is ok??? You VILL use it and you VILL NOT research further, goy!!!
    Install KDE or GNOME, NOW

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There would be no problem if they could stop at that but they want to completely block us from using xorg and the only answer to our complain is muh "buy new graphic card" or "buy new PC". They are fricking insane.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's funny how freetards b***hed and moaned when Microsoft did this with TPM but they suddenly think it's acceptable a couple of years later. Really makes you think.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          1. Wayland works fine on old PC's. The only real gatekeeping is from compiler targets, as they should be doing.
          2. The TPM requirement is completely arbitrary and only makes sense for nefarious purposes
          3. Xorg doesn't just stop working. That you can switch between them on a whim shows that the user's autonomy is respected.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tf are you saying, it's still possible to run xorg on most distros.
        And even then, wayland works on a potato pc from 2010 anyway.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          1. Wayland works fine on old PC's. The only real gatekeeping is from compiler targets, as they should be doing.
          2. The TPM requirement is completely arbitrary and only makes sense for nefarious purposes
          3. Xorg doesn't just stop working. That you can switch between them on a whim shows that the user's autonomy is respected.

          >wayland works on a potato pc from 2010 anyway.
          >Wayland works fine on old PC's.
          Maybe if you are on AMD but try to run Wayland on any older nvida card and see how it's going.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            X11 is also terrible on those.
            Used to run linux on an old k2000m and it was complete trash.
            But on Intel/AMD, eberything fines. You cant blame Wayland when the problem comes from nvidia and their garbage tier proprietary drivers.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Try to explain that logic, they will tell you Wayland sabotages nvidia - but they don't have a single case.
            Then again, evidence provides the opposite verdict.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You cant blame Wayland
            Yes i can because it works on X11, it doesn't on Wayland.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Try running it on NVIDIA, period.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            works on my Quadro M1000M

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            also for this gay

            [...]
            >wayland works on a potato pc from 2010 anyway.
            >Wayland works fine on old PC's.
            Maybe if you are on AMD but try to run Wayland on any older nvida card and see how it's going.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There would be no problem if they could stop at that but they want to completely block us from using xorg and the only answer to our complain is muh "buy new graphic card" or "buy new PC". They are fricking insane.

      It's funny how freetards b***hed and moaned when Microsoft did this with TPM but they suddenly think it's acceptable a couple of years later. Really makes you think.

      >There would be no problem if they could stop at that but they want to completely block us from using xorg
      Who is "they?" X.org is free software. Legally, no one can stop you from using it. You are not entitled to indefinite free support from distro maintainers. Unironically, install Gentoo.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You're not entitled to indefinite free support from distro maintainers

        Yes you are. If that wasn't the case then Linux and FOSS isn't a serious software paradigm and shouldn't be used by anyone outside of pissing about in non mission critical settings (aka, a toy). The fact you morons work for free isn't the end users problem. You serve your customers, aka the user. Don't like it stop being a distro maintainer.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes you are.
          By what standard?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What are its advantages compared to xorg?
    I have gone back to Xorg, because fractional scaling works better on it unironically and have switch to a desktop environment that doesn't suck.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It makes you a better programmers because forces you to build your own solutions to everything as it breaks everything we currently have.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will the xfcetroons ever move to wayland? Or is that too much for the potted plant and janitor working on it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Will the xfcetroons ever move to wayland?
      No they will not, they are going to support Wayland as an option.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It just works, I use it with hyprland and I have to say, it's very comfy.
    Do not listen to contrarian motherfricker on this board.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Do not listen to contrarian motherfricker on this board.
      It is fricking irony that (you) are the contrarian here

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah because this board is contrarian with the entire internet even so Wayland provide more functionality.
        They all probably use some shit laptop from 2012 with an nvidia card.
        For everyone else with an half decent computer Wayland will provide a way better experience on both Gnome and Plasma.
        people on this thread probably doesn't even use Linux on a daily basis.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What supports both aside from KDE and Gnome? I want to compare directly.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cinnamon has an experimental implementation that they're working on right now, but aside from that it's only a couple of troon tiling WMs that have it and nothing else

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, it doesn't have fractional scaling and probably won't for a long time.
        It's under questions, this doesn't give me hope.
        https://trello.com/b/HHs01Pab/cinnamon-wayland

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've used both X11 and Wayland and I cannot tell the two apart. There's some significant technical differences between the two but unless you have Nvdia graphics cards or some niche monitor setup you won't notice any difference
    In the past I also suffered some X11 programs not starting under Wayland (mostly Wine stuff) but they were all fixed within a week of me finding them. Most of the development happens in XWayland and it tracks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      literally this

      I think at this point its nvidias fault for not caring enough because in 24' WL is still borderline usable on thier cards.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dynamic Range: HIGH
    Monitor: MULTIPLE
    Refresh rate: VARIABLE
    Tearing: NONE

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >nice reddit meme.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why should I install this right now?
    no
    >What are its advantages compared to xorg?
    none

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ah, yes, tinkering, the domain of women and tranni- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If I ever have cause to stop using X, I will switch to Arcan.
    I will never use Wayland. I'm just not gonna do it haha.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What are its advantages compared to xorg?
    Working VRR
    HDR
    Tear free with almost no latency
    Secure
    Fast
    Power efficient
    Smooth
    Waydroid
    Bloat free
    Better touchpad support
    Better touchscreen support
    Better HiDPI support

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also no fricking xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d
      Better multimonitor support

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >no options is a good thing!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          configuring stuff is for nerds who need to start getting laid instead of hanging on to Linux as if it's still their thing

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Configuring what exactly? All configuration you can have in xorg.conf is setting corresponding ddx driver to device, configure monitors so they won't shit themselves (and they will on Xorg), disabling mouse accelerations and other things that are default on most Wayland compositors and require no intervention whatsoever.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hello wayland troony.
      >Working VRR
      Not true. VRR breaks on mouse movement because wayland uses atomic modesetting.
      >Tear free with almost no latency
      Not true. Xorg tearfree with and without a compositor has the exact same latency as wayland because they both go direct to DRM
      >Secure
      Not true. Wayland has the same "security hole" as xorg of allowing programs to read inputs and screen outputs, but they have to go through dbus interfaces first.
      >Fast
      As fast as xorg, because they both use the same drm-kms api.
      >Power efficient
      Not true. Mandatory compositing means additional cpu/gpu load over uncomposited xorg. It is however more efficient than _composited_ xorg.
      >Waydroid
      Runs in a nested wayland compositor on xorg.
      >Bloat free
      Not true. There are at least 4 major implementations of wayland (mutter, kwin, wlroots, hyprland) and they require dbus, pipewire and gtk and qt xdg desktop portal implementations as mandatory dependencies to implement several upstream protocols.
      >touchpad
      >touchscreen
      Doubtful. Xorg uses libinput by default just like wayland.
      >Better HiDPI support
      Not true. Wayland fractional scaling is broken by design.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >VRR breaks on mouse movement because wayland uses atomic modesetting.
        Not true. Commits to cursor plane are forcing maximum refresh rate at least for KWin
        >Xorg tearfree
        Tearfree is amdgpu feature man amdgpu and aren't present on other vendors man modesetting
        >Wayland has the same "security hole" as xorg of allowing programs to read inputs and screen outputs, but they have to go through dbus interfaces first.
        Portals are secure because requiring end user authorization. X clients could access all windows of corresponding X server even in sandboxed environment.
        >As fast as xorg, because they both use the same drm-kms api.
        In Xorg compositing is active and tossing frames around between server and window manager. In wayland compositing is passive and implemented in efficient way.
        >uncomposited xorg
        meme
        >and they require dbus, pipewire and gtk and qt xdg
        And it's still less than X with its useless network transparency, XFLD, rendering primitives, obsolete extensions like XFree86-VidModeExtension.
        >Runs in a nested wayland compositor on xorg.
        And? It's only draws xorg useless.
        >Xorg uses libinput by default just like wayland.
        Xorg uses xinput which just have proxy driver for libnput and it doesn't allow modern features such as inertial scrolling and gestures without hacks (touchegg) and those have their problem to and won't be fixed.
        >Wayland fractional scaling is broken by design.
        Citation needed

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Now I know who I'm talking to. It's the ESL who shills in every X/wayland thread. This guy is just going to lie all thread.
          Here's a great example.
          >Tearfree is amdgpu feature
          https://www.phoronix.com/news/xf86-video-modesetting-TearFree
          https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/1006
          https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/1224
          Intel DDX also supports tearfree and I believe it was the first to do so.
          https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/-/blob/master/src/intel_options.c?ref_type=heads

          Anyone interested can see the last time he got BTFO
          https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/98799202

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >https://www.phoronix.com/news/xf86-video-modesetting-TearFree
            https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/1006#note_2251205
            >This doesn't seem to have been merged to the xserver branch, only xwayland, meaning that people that are still on X11 will still have tearing issues. Are there any plans to merge this change to the xserver as well?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you look at the literal top of the page, you'll see it was merged to master.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, it is master, but xorg branch isn't compiled from master but from server-21.1-branch.
            You can see that there's no commits for tearfree in this branch
            https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/commits/server-21.1-branch?search=tearfree
            But they are commits in xwayland 23.2 branch.
            https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/commits/xwayland-23.2?search=tearfree
            Latest stable xorg version (21.1.11) comes with no tearfree option for modesetting driver but only for amdgpu.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Still lying. When the next xorg-server release happens, they'll branch off master. You can build xorg right now from git master with that. xorg and xwayland are hosted at the same repository, only built with different meson arguments.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >When the next xorg-server release happens
            >xserver 21.1
            >Oct 27, 2021
            Lol
            Dude, tearfree was merged 1.5 year ago and still isn't in xorg branch, and it won't be because people aren't saying for nothing that xorg isn't maintained

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >people aren't saying for nothing that xorg isn't maintained
            https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/tags
            >last release 3 weeks ago
            lmao. See pic related? That's how long Red Hat are _obligated_ to support xorg and the rest of their RHEL9 software stack.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That's how long Red Hat are _obligated_ to support xorg
            Yes, support means providing security fixes. It doesn't mean providing feature releases.
            If you'll just walk through commits you'll see that they're ALL aimed to fix some vulnerabilities. There are no feature releases and there won't be any feature releases in the future.
            https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/commits/server-21.1-branch
            If you're fine with current state of xorg on your amdgpu then it's okay. People with other GPU drivers like nouveau, asahi etc. wouldn't be happy with all that tearing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >support means providing security fixes. It doesn't mean providing feature releases
            Source, your imagination. Xorg is, in aggregate, feature complete software. Git master will be branched for a new feature release when it's ready. In the meantime, anyone can build from git master if they want features that aren't yet branched. Lying about xorg being dead is not going to erase the people maintaining it, the people maintaining support at every level from mesa to toolkits, or your own embarrassing lies about tearfree and comical evasion of the truth, such as
            >In Xorg compositing is active and tossing frames around between server and window manager. In wayland compositing is passive and implemented in efficient way.
            We both know that a 3D drawing client bypasses the wayland/xorg server and sends commands straight to the graphics hardware, and that the compositor can be bypassed on both servers in fullscreen windows, and that both use the same kernel DRM APIs, with the exception xorg uses legacy modesetting by default while wayland uses atomic modesetting by default. However both servers support both modesetting options.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *So bringing up compositing in a question about xorg or wayland being "fast" is highly disingenous, especially when I already said that wayland compositing is more efficient than xorg compositing, although I believe the direct scanout protocol (the equivalent of xorg unredirection) is needed for this. The compositor doesn't enter into the equation of either server being fast, because performance critical applications will be full screened and bypassing it by choice.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Git master will be branched for a new feature release when it's ready.
            https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/xorg-server/-/commits/main
            >Nov 16, 2016 upstream update 1.19.0
            >May 11, 2018 upstream update 1.20.0
            >Nov 06, 2021 upstream update 21.1.0
            >Jan 16, 2024
            ...
            >21.1.11-1: new upstream release
            Just 2 more week, yes?
            >the people maintaining support at every level from mesa to toolkits
            https://www.phoronix.com/news/GTK5-Might-Drop-X11

            *So bringing up compositing in a question about xorg or wayland being "fast" is highly disingenous, especially when I already said that wayland compositing is more efficient than xorg compositing, although I believe the direct scanout protocol (the equivalent of xorg unredirection) is needed for this. The compositor doesn't enter into the equation of either server being fast, because performance critical applications will be full screened and bypassing it by choice.

            You're talking about fullscreen apps but what about regular windowed apps? You expect me to deal with higher latency of xorg compositing or to see at broken effects and black square around windows with disabled compositing?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >3 July 2022
            >gtk5
            >when gtk4 still has low adoption even within gnome
            lmao 2 more weeks until xorg support is dropped. In all seriousness I would be surprised if there was a GTK5 release at all, short of gnomies turning a GTK4 release into a GTK5 one to frick with third party themes (again).
            >You're talking about fullscreen apps but what about regular windowed apps?
            Xorg and wayland are going to have almost the same latency regardless and compositing on regular windows is going to add latency on both. If you want minimal latency on all windows, use uncomposited xorg. If you want efficient compositing use wayland. If you don't want screen tearing and don't like compositing, use uncomposited xorg with tearfree, which should also have marginally less latency than regular wayland. You can also use a wayland server that supports allowing tearing so you can have compositing on desktop and uncomposited xorg latency on fullscreen windows. There are enough options that you don't need to lie about any of them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >and that both use the same kernel DRM APIs
            Nvidia

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Still lying. When the next xorg-server release happens, they'll branch off master. You can build xorg right now from git master with that. xorg and xwayland are hosted at the same repository, only built with different meson arguments.

            I don't get it. Does tearfree work on intel or not?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Tearfree works on the old intel DDX. But that was deprecated in favor of the modesetting DDX shipped by default with xorg. To use tearfree with modesetting, you need an xorg built from git master.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even with tear-free option I still get screen tearing on my vertical display, which isn't the case on Wayland tbh

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >vertical display
            Assuming it's on, you're probably not configuring xorg properly to account for rotation. I know that tearfree is only enabled by default on amdgpu for rotated displays.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I am using AMD, so not the case

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What's the output of grepping for tearfree in your xorg log?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          xorg
          >meme
          Platforms that are extremely power limited use LXDE for a reason.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Portals are secure because requiring end user authorization. X clients could access all windows of corresponding X server even in sandboxed environment.
          and after years of waiting, they still don't exist
          https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/xdg-desktop-portal-gnome/-/issues/47
          >"that's a gnome/gtk problem, not a wayland problem"
          I'd say it becomes a wayland problem too when "the default" DE doesn't support them and others like KDE have to make ridiculous workarounds for it. this wasn't a problem before, and expecting gnome/gtk to just implement something completely new "fast"? well, we all know how that's going to go

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Better touchscreen support
      where does this meme come from? I use x11 with 10 finger gestures

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > tear free
      > fast
      > power efficient
      > smooth
      so is xorg
      > secure
      the contrary, it increases the attack surface (your sensitive data now has more passes than xorg)
      > bloat free
      not true

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >but muh networks transparency
    Not only it has network transparency it could be used with hardware acceleration unlike Xorg

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nice lag

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wayland?
    More like Gayland.
    lmao

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hyprland is a god tier wm
    Want it yo be i3? Install the hy3 plugin
    Want more borders? Theres a plugin for that.
    Want an actual fix for cs2 so you can force stretched res? Yeah, the developer made a plugin.
    Their mods also changed someone's pronouns in their discord to who/cares

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If there's a way to get rid of the forced vsync on Wayland, I might consider using again. Anyway, does the tearing protocol actually work?

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wayland is ok. But it's not for me because I do a lot of remote-desktop-ing. That said, if I nuke my system blindly and try to put it back together, wayland will work, xorg may or may not.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can't install standalone wayland

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's smooth as butter

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