Why was the dutch military performance in the 80 years war so poor

Why was the dutch military performance in the 80 years war so poor

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it was so poor why did they become independent? Genuinely asking.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jews

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Spain lost

      Eventually fighting the dutch, the english, the swedes, the french, the portuguese, even the Ottomans and the barbary corsair at sea proved to be too much for one tiny nation.

      Jews

      Yeah, too

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Spain fell because Anglo and French rinky dink pirate chads kept stealing their gold and raping their women

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >In 1666, l'Olonnais sailed from Tortuga with a fleet of eight ships and a crew of 440 pirates to sack Maracaibo in what is modern day Venezuela, joining forces with fellow buccaneer Michel le Basque.[1] En route, l'Olonnais crossed paths with a Spanish treasure ship which he captured, along with its cargo of cocoa beans, gemstones, and more than 260,000 Spanish dollars.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >At the time the entrance to Lake Maracaibo and thus the city itself was defended by the San Carlos de la Barra Fortress with sixteen guns, which was thought to be impregnable. He approached it from its undefended landward side and took it in few hours. He then proceeded to pillage the city, and found that most of the residents had fled and that their gold had been hidden. L'Olonnais' men tracked down the residents and tortured them until they revealed the location of their possessions. They also seized the fort's cannon and demolished most of the town's defence walls to ensure that a hasty retreat was possible

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            L'Olonnais himself was an expert torturer, and his techniques included slicing portions of flesh off the victim with a sword, burning them alive, or tying knotted "woolding" (rope bound around a ship's mast to strengthen it) around the victim's head until their eyes were forced out.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Over the following two months, l'Olonnais and his men tortured, pillaged, and eventually burned much of Maracaibo before moving to San Antonio de Gibraltar, on the eastern shore of Lake Maracaibo. Despite being outnumbered, the pirates slaughtered 500 soldiers of Gibraltar's garrison and held the city for ransom. Despite the payment of the ransom (20,000 pieces of eight and five hundred cattle), l'Olonnais continued to ransack the city, acquiring a total of 260,000 pieces of eight, gems, silverware, and silks, as well as a number of slaves. Word of his attack on Maracaibo and Gibraltar reached Tortuga, and l'Olonnais earned a reputation for his ferocity and cruelty. He was given the nickname "The Bane of Spain" (French: Fléau des Espagnols)

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            L'Olonnais himself was an expert torturer, and his techniques included slicing portions of flesh off the victim with a sword, burning them alive, or tying knotted "woolding" (rope bound around a ship's mast to strengthen it) around the victim's head until their eyes were forced out.

            And people say torture doesn't work as method interrogation...

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Under torture you will say whatever i want you to say. You killed JFK.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            aswell as the useful information you hold, which is the point

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          1.000.000 british c**t raped by pakis vs some mixed race latinx in small undefended outpost yeah I think I'm good. Most of the pirates raid weren't even succesful. Meanwhile the Spaniards sacked every single town big or small in Belgium and the netherlands. Like I think like 100s of towns in brussels region alone were sacked. It's just that we have some decency and we don't make heroes out of our criminal

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I am Frankish.
            >mixed race latinx
            Who knew of Gold and Treasure? Cope. These were Criollos

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Criollos still were considered below peninsulares because they were 1/8 or 1/16 indians.
            >I am Frankish
            You're the descendent of a Gaulish prostitute who was deported to quebec after she gave syphilis to half of paris

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Criollos still were considered below peninsulares because they were 1/8 or 1/16 indians.
            They were considered lower than "peninsulares" because they were native Iberians rather than Flemish or Austrian.
            >You're the descendent of a Gaulish prostitute who was deported to quebec after she gave syphilis to half of paris
            My ancestors came from Flanders

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They were considered lower than "peninsulares" because they were native Iberians rather than Flemish or Austrian.
            Giga cope. Other europeans, italians included, were actually legally inferior to iberians but still superior to new world mutts
            >My ancestors came from Flanders
            Ok so replace Gaulish with Belgian and Paris with Brussels. Still the same.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Giga cope. Other europeans, italians included, were actually legally inferior to iberians
            *Inferior to the Flemish King
            >Ok so replace Gaulish with Belgian and Paris with Brussels. Still the same.
            And replace "prostitute" with Slaver

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >"Flemish king" who asked Iberian chads to kill and rape flemish by the hundreds of thousands
            yikes

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *Desperately wanted to keep his Flemish people so sacrificed his dignity and entire empire and still failed, ruining Spain (his colony) forever in the process

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well Spain did keep Flanders until the 18th century so he clearly didn't fail.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Well Spain did keep Flanders until the 18th century
            *kept the poor shitty part and became irrelevant compared to the Netherlands

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I am Frankish.
            you're brown

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Daily remainder OP is a Castizo mutt who got mad israelites and freemasons stole his lunchbox in grade school

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spain lost

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Best he could found is a pirate who killed a few mestizos in Venezuela
    At least now we know where the cartel got their shit from

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >mestizos

      Castizos. Castizos are parasite scum responsible for cartel shit

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Seven hundred pirates enlisted with l'Olonnais when he mounted his next expedition, this time to the Central American mainland. In 1667, after pillaging Puerto Cavallo on the coast of Honduras, l'Olonnais was ambushed by a large force of Spanish soldiers while en route to San Pedro. Only narrowly escaping with his life, l'Olonnais captured two Spaniards. Exquemelin wrote:

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He drew his cutlass, and with it cut open the breast of one of those poor Spanish, and pulling out his heart with his sacrilegious hands, began to bite and gnaw it with his teeth, like a ravenous wolf, saying to the rest: I will serve you all alike, if you show me not another way

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        holy fricking ZASED

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are the spanish so weak
    >Drake pushed onwards in his lone flagship, now renamed Golden Hind in honour of Sir Christopher Hatton (after his coat of arms). Golden Hind sailed north along the Pacific coast of South America, attacking Spanish ports and pillaging towns. Some Spanish ships were captured, and Drake used their more accurate charts to inform his navigation.
    >Near Lima, Drake captured a Spanish ship with 25,000 pesos of Peruvian gold, amounting in value to 37,000 ducats of Spanish money (about £7m by modern standards). Drake also discovered news of another ship, Nuestra Señora de la Concepción, which was sailing west towards Manila. It would come to be called Cacafuego. Drake gave chase and eventually captured the treasure ship, which proved his most profitable capture.[85]
    >Aboard Nuestra Señora de la Concepción, Drake found 36 kilograms (80 lb) of gold, a golden crucifix, israeliteels, 13 chests of silver reals and 26,000 kilograms (26 long tons) of silver.
    >Drake continued north, raiding more Spanish settlements and ships as he went. His last stop in this phase of the voyage was in the town of Guatulco, where he and his crew stayed from 13–16 April, looting provisions and other materials. From here, Drake began to consider how best to return to England.[86] One possibility was to sail back south, along the Spanish coast, and return to the Atlantic Ocean via the Strait of Magellan (or possibly Cape Horn); this route was ruled out, however, to avoid the dangerous weather near the strait and presumed Spanish resistance all along the coast. This left two possible routes – continue north up the American coast, and return to the Atlantic by the rumored Strait of Anián; or, sail across the Pacific, making for the East Indies, and from there return to England by completing a circumnavigation of the world.[87]
    TOTAL ANGLO VICTORY

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >At Flores Island the English fleet was surprised by a much larger squadron sent by King Philip II of Spain. Howard retreated to safety, but Grenville faced the 53 enemy ships alone, leading his single ship in what amounted to a suicide mission, stating that he "utterly refused to turn from the enimie...he would rather chose to die than to dishonour himselfe".[14] His crew was reduced by nearly 100 men due to sickness on shore, but he chose nonetheless to confront the far superior Spanish force.[14] For twelve hours he and his crew fought off the Spanish, causing heavy damage to fifteen galleons. According to Raleigh's account, Grenville and his soldiers fought for hour after hour, "...until all the powder of The Revenge, to the last barrell, was now spent, all her pikes broken, fortie of her best men slain, and the most part of the rest hurt".[14] The ship itself was "marvellous unsaverie, filled with bloud and bodies of deade and wounded men like a slaughter house".[14]
      TOTAL SPANISH DEATH
      ONE SHIP AGAINST FIFTY THREE

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are the spanish so weak and cowardly?
        >The Battle of Winchelsea or the Battle of Les Espagnols sur Mer ("the Spaniards on the Sea") was a naval battle that took place on 29 August 1350 as part of the Hundred Years' War between England and France. It was a victory for an English fleet of 50 ships, commanded by King Edward III, over a Castilian fleet of 47 larger vessels, commanded by Charles de la Cerda. Between 14 and 26 Castilian ships were captured, and several were sunk. Only two English vessels are known to have been sunk, but there was a significant loss of life.
        Imagine ambusing a few anglos on smaller ships and then getting destroyed and only managing to destroy 2 english ships

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Truly a people conquered by Africans

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They are literal african moormutts
            Nordic peoples like the french and english respected each other even when enemies, meanwhile the english and french hated the spanish and saw them as literal subhuman slaves
            >Raleigh had planned to descend on the Spanish colony of Trinidad – in particular the principal settlement of San José de Oruña, founded by Berrio in 1592.[3] First of all he landed and explored the south of the island Raleigh found that the Indians were cultivating good quality tobacco and sugar cane. While sailing across the Gulf of Paria he reputedly smelled tar, and put into shore at Terra de Brea. The Caribs led Raleigh to a pitch lake (the largest of the world's three natural asphalt lakes) and he realized that the substance was ideal for caulking his ships. He took several barrels with him, and has since been credited with "discovering" the lake.[16] Raleigh's principal objective was to capture the Spanish governor who was also looking for the same fabled city, question him and gain as much information before he continued his expedition.[5]
            >On 4 April Raleigh disembarked a hundred soldiers and seized the small stockade at Puerto de España overwhelming the small Spanish garrison before pushing inland with the intent to capture San José de Oruña.[8] After arriving just before the town surprise was well on the English side.[5] A night time assault was launched that lasted no more than an hour and the garrison of almost fifty men were put to the sword. The Spanish general Mayor Alvaro Jorge, was captured and taken prisoner but the real prize was the Governor de Berrio. He soon begged the place to be spared and Raleigh agreed and kept the town to use it as a temporary base for an exploration of the Orinoco river.[17] Raleigh also released five native Indian chiefs whom Berrio had bound with one long chain, tortured, and left to starve.[12][18]

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do the french and spanish differ so much despite bordering each other???
    French
    >an honourable enemy, respected by the english as great warriors
    >nordic
    >brother race to the english
    >french pirates fought alongside english pirates against the spanish
    >protestant nordic huguenots assimilated into anglo society and produced some of its greatest heroes
    >great inventions, art and culture
    Spanish
    >dishonourable mutts
    >eef hijra brown apes
    >tried to wipe out anglos and all protestant northern europeans
    >spanish colonies were majority mestizo and black
    >catholics who wanted to rule the world and turn the entire globe into catholic mexico/colombia mixed apes
    >no inventions, art or culture

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Canadian schzio has been set off...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why did the biggest empire on earth get defeated by a tiny impoverished island nation?
      >Near Lima, Drake captured a Spanish ship with 25,000 pesos of Peruvian gold, amounting in value to 37,000 ducats of Spanish money (about £7m by modern standards). Drake also discovered news of another ship, Nuestra Señora de la Concepción, which was sailing west towards Manila. It would come to be called Cacafuego. Drake gave chase and eventually captured the treasure ship, which proved his most profitable capture.[85]
      >Aboard Nuestra Señora de la Concepción, Drake found 36 kilograms (80 lb) of gold, a golden crucifix, israeliteels, 13 chests of silver reals and 26,000 kilograms (26 long tons) of silver. Drake was naturally pleased at his good luck in capturing the galleon, and he showed it by dining with the captured ship's officers and gentleman passengers. He offloaded his captives a short time later, and gave each one gifts appropriate to their rank, as well as a letter of safe conduct.[85]
      >Drake continued north, raiding more Spanish settlements and ships as he went. His last stop in this phase of the voyage was in the town of Guatulco, where he and his crew stayed from 13 to 16 April, looting provisions and other materials. From here, Drake began to consider how best to return to England.[86] One possibility was to sail back south, along the Spanish coast, and return to the Atlantic Ocean via the Strait of Magellan (or possibly Cape Horn); this route was ruled out, however, to avoid the dangerous weather near the strait and presumed Spanish resistance all along the coast. This left two possible routes – continue north up the American coast, and return to the Atlantic by the rumored Strait of Anián; or, sail across the Pacific, making for the East Indies, and from there return to England by completing a circumnavigation of the world.[87]

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They didn't. England didn't won any of the war against Spain in that time period.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Spain recognizes the Protestant monarchy of England and renounces intentions to restore the Church of Rome in the country.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Philip II support Elizabeth over Mary (catholic) so they never really challenged it in the first place. It was probably as important to them as the random Aztec in mexico jungle praying to Quetzalcoatl if not less

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I meant Mary of Scotland of course

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >WE NEVER CHALLENGED YOU IN THE FIRST SENIOR ANGLO BVLL MASSA PLEASE DON'T WHIP ME!

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >1566
    >1567
    >1568
    >1572
    Damn I wonder what happened in the next 76 years after this....

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1638
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kallo

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