Will all condemned souls forget ablut their time on Earth?

Considering the ammount of memories they have of their life on earth comoared to the ammount of memories they'll acquire in Hell from being tormented for ETERNITY. The human brain can't even recall everything during that short time they had on Earth. So it's only logical their brain capacity would be overwhelmed by all the new vays of torment they've experienced.
But would this mean that Hell is populated by people who don't even know why they're there anymore? And that their suffering is basically all they know.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Especially imagine what it's like for the children who are in hell. It would be like a dream. A split second.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is not an accurate or valid account of the Christian afterlife

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The idea that hell is eternal physical torture is sadistic and psychopathic. This is just one of many reasons that Judaism is far superior to Xtianity and Pisslam

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The idea that hell is eternal physical torture is sadistic and psychopathic.

        True and also very childish. israelitery is still vile and disgusting, monothéiste religions were a mistake.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Calls other religions sadistic
        >Mutilates baby boys genitals
        The chutzpah on this one

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I still think someone who rapes and cannibalizes infants should suffer eternal damnation, sorry!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's the point if that rapist cannibal doesn't even know why he's in Hell after a while.

      https://i.imgur.com/sKfPNa8.png

      Reminder that eternity cuts both ways in Christianity

      How does a finite ammount of good justify an inifinite reward?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Une Chienne Andalou

        >How does a finite ammount of good justify an inifinite reward?
        It doesn’t. People typically only apply this reasoning to hell, but it applies equally to heaven. This is one of the weak points of the Abrahamic religions. Heaven and hell are both impermanent planes of existence, after your merit runs out, you will reincarnate again just like after you have paid your dues in hell. Hopefully this time you’ll actually get off the shitshow of a ride instead of chasing “heaven” lmao, better luck next time!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You also think that Junko Furuta should suffer for all eternity because she didn't believe a palestinian carpenter turned rabbi rose from the dead 2k years ago.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Interesting graphic. And just think, the vast majority (easily 99%) of those souls are in hell according to your average protestant. Yep, eternal and infinite suffering. Easily 100 billion people suffering divine wrath because of where/when they were born. No refunds!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone before the death of Christ is absolved of all sin.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So the secret was to be born before the death of Jesus? Everyone born afterwards is subject to a high stakes decision about the fate of their immortal soul: paradise or the lake of fire. Not ugg the caveman or a Qin dynasty soldier though, they get a pass.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is bizarre because in my honest opinion it reduces sin and the gift of salvation to a kind of 'Roko's basilisk' scenario
            I am much more inclined to believe that everyone is condemned by their sins, that everyone is given an innate access to morality and therefore any failings to live up to the standards is deserving of eternal hellfire
            Of course God predestines those who are damned to the time before Christ and outside of the Gospel as well as saving a minority of them

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            John 15.22
            "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin."
            I think it's presumptuous for humans to assume we know who has and hasn't heard the word of God. All we can do is work towards spreading the Gospel to all corners of the Earth

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Non-Christians are not inherently damned, no

        But not if they repent?

        They would need extreme penance to make up for what they did, constant and lifelong repentance to have any hope.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, like a deathbed conversion

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Unlikely

            So, a child rapist can do penance to make up for their crimes in their short lifespan, but they can't atone for it even after a googolplex years of excruciating torture in hell?
            You are not being rational right now.

            How so? It’s too late then.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So, a child rapist can do penance to make up for their crimes in their short lifespan, but they can't atone for it even after a googolplex years of excruciating torture in hell?
          You are not being rational right now.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Read CS Lewis. Heaven is locked from the inside

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What a tribulation when the judgement starts!!
            I can see the wicked when they start to run!!!
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            Yahoviah!!!!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There is no salvation outside the Church.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But not if they repent?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've been posting about this recently
      Think about our lifetime
      It's not enough to say that it is a blink of an eye
      It's not enough to say that it is a fraction of a blink of an eye
      All you can say about our lifetime is that it is an infinitesimal moment, a moment that has to exist because it happened but in the sequence of eternity what is it? It tends towards zero
      A non-moment that is responsible for an eternity of pain
      As someone who has pondered this for a long time, I think God would keep the damned sinner aware of this non-moment forever
      Every moment that he writhes and thrashes about in Hell would be a barrage of grief and agony at the thought that it was this non-moment, this meaningless expanse of time that in life, 'felt like a lifetime' and yet is nothing, that cost him everything, infinity
      Nothing in the face of eternity

      Yes, bad people go to Hell and good people go to heaven
      All of those terrible men, warmongers, rapists, murderers and thieves are going to go to Hell forever and all of their victims, the poor, the starving, the murdered and terrorised are going to get their recompense in Heaven

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s funny how the average Christian sees Hell as an afterlife Superjail for people that committed heinous acts, yet what Christianity teaches is that Ghandi is in Hell for believing the wrong religion, yet Henry Kissinger is in heaven because he believed in the right religion.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >yet what Christianity teaches is that Ghandi is in Hell for believing the wrong religion
        People go to hell because of sin, specifically unforgiven sin. Not because they "believed the wrong thing" which is an atheistic caricature

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And it just so happens that Christianity teaches that all mortals sin inevitably, and major sects even teach that you inherit the original sin. And the only way for your sin to be forgiven is to be a Christian (the definition of believing Jesus Christ is lord and will forgive you).
          You’re pleading semantics by saying that ACTUALLY Hell isnt about your religion. If you believe any concept of divinity and afterlife except Christianity then even if you spend your whole life trying to avoid sin and also seeking penance, you’ll go to Hell because you didn’t get forgiven by the only process that has authority of God.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >seeking penance
            Seeking penance from whom?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kissinger was a israelite. He would not be saved.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unless they ask Jesus for forgiveness, right? Then you'll embrace them as a brother in eternal paradise?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I still think someone who commits finite crime should suffer infinite punishment, sorry!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The judge is the one who sets the terms and issues out the sentence; not the criminal

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Does the judge set terms and issues arbitrarily or for a reason?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Reasons can never be arbitrary

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So does the judge set terms and issues arbitrarily or for a reason?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's clearly a reason and if the judge determines that someone deserves 50 years, then the criminal complaining doesn't change that. Watch some sentencing videos on YouTube, no criminal ever agrees with a verdict but that's entirely irrelevant.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            For what reason would a judge mete out infinite punishment for finite crime?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If the judge is infinite and the nature of the crime is infinite as well? There's no guarantee that those condemned to hell will repent or that they will want to repent.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How is the finitude or infinitude of the judge relevant to the trial of the criminal? How can a crime be infinite? Even in the example of raping and cannibalising babies, for any number of babies raped and cannibalised, one more could have been raped and cannibalised.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >There's no guarantee that those condemned to hell will repent or that they will want to repent.
            So why send them to hell?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because Christians love the idea of eternally torturing people who disagree with their anti-human virtue signalling cult

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the nature of the crime is infinite as well
            He was asking about infinite punishment for finite crime though?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All sins are ultimately against God.
            Which bears the harsher penalty, punching a civilian or punching a police officer?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All circumstances being equal, the penalty for punching a civillian and a police officer are equally harsh. The reason why punching a police officer often results in more severe consequences is because it gets lumped with other crimes like resisting arrest.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nope. You'll face harsher punishment for punching a cop.

            Here's another one. Killing a civilian versus killing a king or a president.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You'll face harsher punishment for punching a cop.
            Because it's lumped with resisting arrest and other offences.
            >killing a king or a president.
            Because it's terrorism on top of normal first degree murder

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In your mind you've resolved that sin against God is of a lesser degree?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In my mind, as well as the minds of modern jurisprudence, it has been resolved that the punishment ought to fit the crime.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How does finite crime/sin result in infinite punishment/eternal damnation?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How many sins do you think you've committed in your life?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A finite amount.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At a certain point it just gets unhealthy. better to banish them to oblivion

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that eternity cuts both ways in Christianity

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sinners btfo

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can you imagine Junko Furuta's last moments? She is giving into death, finally, mercy has arrived and she will be set free from her torments
    Can you imagine her sin-filled rage towards God? Her sense of entitlement? She experienced the most vicious tortures in her last moments and yet here is God, without compassion, without mercy, condemning her to an eternity of Hell?
    I think she would feel it in her soul that the judgement was just but as a sinner lost in her sin she would refuse to accept it
    The lifetime of sins would crush her, every moment of her life would condemn her
    The fires lick her feet and she begins to scream
    The men who killed her are there
    Perhaps if she hadn't been there to tempt them into sin they could have been saved
    They grab her, tear her flesh with their teeth in a skill-less way since the fires are burning them too
    Their bodies are writhing about, ripping, tearing, biting, gouging

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eternity is not a period of time, it is a moment outside of time, it dosent 'last long' it simply is

    There is no heaven or hell, there is only proces

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here are my questions on the subject.
    1. Do family members know that their loved ones are in hell and are they supposed to just accept that grandma and grandpa are suffering in hell for an eternity?
    2. Are the saved in heaven able to "view" what is happening to the suffering in hell? If not, why not?
    3. Like OP said, since hell is eternal eventually a soul will have spent more time being tortured than they ever did in corporeal flesh by orders of magnitude. Will they still be aware of their 80 years spent sinning on Earth 800 billion years in the future?
    4. Is Heaven just vague nofun gnostic stuff where you sing eternally in a giant choir or can you actually chill with your loved ones? If not, why not?
    The whole heaven/hell thing should be made way more clear considering everyone will spend an infinite amount of time in either. The church should devote way, way more time on this because if true it's the most important issue ever by orders of magnitude.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Personally I think an understanding of God's righteous wrath will be something that people in Heaven will know and love and praise

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'll attempt to answer these questions rapid-fire within the frame of what is accepted Christian orthodox views of what hell is/isn/t
      1. Yes. Hell is God's righteous judgment on all evil. If a family member committed a crime, it'd sadden you, but them being sent to prison by the government, and you being sad about it, won't change that.
      2. No
      3. Yes
      4. No. Human bodies will be resurrected and heaven and earth will merge to form the new heavens and the new earth. And there's more activity in store than simply playing harps.

      >The most important issue
      Is repentance and faith in Jesus.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So you support never ending torture for people who were gluttonous and ate too much fried chicken? Or never ending torture for someone who likes material things a little too much?
        For a religion thats supposedly all about love and kumbaya, that leaves me with many questions.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There doesn't exist anyone who is totally sinless except that they were gluttonous one time and ate a lot of fried chicken

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >So you support never ending torture for people who were gluttonous and ate too much fried chicken? Or never ending torture for someone who likes material things a little too much?
            Of course not.

            However there's not a single human being that I have ever met whose only sin was "eating too much fried chicken" Have you?

            Everytime I come to this website I am reminded of the total depravity of humans. People on this site talk without filters, and thus show what really is deep down in the human soul. This site is the best teacher of the sinfulness of man, and if your argument is that people are mostly good then you haven't hang around here, or any other part of the internet, that much.

            Ok, so if there was a guy who ate too much fried chicken, also really liked material things, also liked porn and sex a lot, was also very envious of his neighbors nice car, was really lazy, and got mad at people a lot,
            Then you would say that you support sending him to neverending excrutiating unbearable torture for 80000000000000000 x infinity years?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            1. I don't believe that hell is eternal torture. The punishment is eternal in the sense that there's no appeal, but you get what you deserve.

            2. That person will have earned hell, they won't be where Hitler is, but the place they find themselves in won't be fun either. How much porn can a person consume until it stops bringing them lasting joy and satisfaction? The folly of fallen human nature is finding joy in finite and worthless things instead of finding joy in God. Hell will be a faux-enjoyment of these useless things that you prioritized over God until you end up dying again, dying eternally, knowing you forfeited true and lasting happiness.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >knowing you forfeited true and lasting happiness.
            And by "knowing" you mean "not knowing" because something that doesn't exist can't know anything.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You'll know that you forfeited it before you die. And you'll be suffering (weeping and gnashing of teeth) because you'll know this. The pain will be self-inflicted.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But what you personally believe doesnt matter, since the religion of Christianity and the people who believe in and follow it DO believe that it would be eternal torture.
            You cant just invent your own rules and religon out of your personal beliefs and still call yourself a Christian

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I could be wrong about this, and I've already acknowledged this, but based on my own study of the Bible and talking to lots of people about this, this is my personal conviction, based on years of study.

            What we ALL agree on is that no one should want to go to hell, whether it's eternal torment or your soul ends up dying, it's not a place anyone would want to go regardless. Anymore than anyone would want to go to war-torn Sudan or Somalia, or live in a dictatorial country like North Korea, whether they live there for 50 years or you die 5 minutes on arrival, you still don't want to go there. That's where the debate should honestly end.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >So you support never ending torture for people who were gluttonous and ate too much fried chicken? Or never ending torture for someone who likes material things a little too much?
          Of course not.

          However there's not a single human being that I have ever met whose only sin was "eating too much fried chicken" Have you?

          Everytime I come to this website I am reminded of the total depravity of humans. People on this site talk without filters, and thus show what really is deep down in the human soul. This site is the best teacher of the sinfulness of man, and if your argument is that people are mostly good then you haven't hang around here, or any other part of the internet, that much.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1. There is a difference between a family member going to prison and a family member experiencing the most awful fate imaginable with no end in sight. Families will undoubtedly be ripped apart by god's judgement, and even though a perfect god would ensure all judgements are just that will be little solace to anybody with empathy.
        Mothers, fathers, children, friends, spouses, all condemned forever with no chance of appeal while you live in paradise. How could anybody come to terms with that?
        3. Do you have any justification for this pretty extreme gap between time of sin and time of punishment? Yes god is perfect and makes perfect judgements and therefore this is all good. But why do we as humans have any built-in empathy for one another at all if it doesn't carry over to the afterlife whatsoever. Why would god create humans that love and care for one another if we're also meant to just passively accept eternal, neverending torment for other humans because they believed in a different religion? Hell, even heinous murderers who most would agree deserve some kind of retribution don't really deserve eternal damnation. The punishment is so lopsided that it boggles the mind.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Matthew 10:34-39

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          1. I don't think a creature's empathy can supersede that of their creator. So I don't see this dilemma the same way you see it.
          3. I believe in annihilationism. But that's mainly due to exegetical reasons, and not feelings based. The true horror of hell will be knowing what you forfeited and knowing that after you die a second time that'll be the end forever. The Bible doesn't teach that human souls are unconditionally immortal.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I believe in annihilationism. But that's mainly due to exegetical reasons, and not feelings based. The true horror of hell will be knowing what you forfeited and knowing that after you die a second time that'll be the end forever.
            What's the point of torturing a soul if it's just going to stop existing. There is no horror in that. Why not just skip hell and annihilate the soul. Doesn't make sense for a supposedly perfect God.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You might as well be asking
            >What's the point of throwing a person in jail if they're going to stop existing one day
            or maybe a 75 year old pedophile gets busted, but he has cancer, so let's not throw him in jail because "there's no horror in that"

            Are you being serious?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If God annihilates the soul and it stops existing it takes nothing with it. It literally doesn't exist and nothing done to it matters. There is literally no point in torturing a soul except for personal satisfaction because the soul isn't gonna take the memory with it to oblivion.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it takes nothing with it
            Don't know what this means.
            Also you didn't answer my question. Should we empty the prisons of all the old people or skimp on prosecuting criminals who are about to die cause it's pointless?
            >Take the memory with it
            What? So if someone says they're going to shoot you in the head 5 minutes from now, you'll call that pointless?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The point of keeping a murder/rapists in jail is to stop them from murdering and raping more people.

            We are talking about "torturing"(the important keyword is torture) a soul that is to be erased from existence. There is no point in "torturing"(keyword) a soul that is not going to exist later because that soul not existing implies that it's experience of living, dying, sinning, and being tortured also stop existing. In other words it doesn't matter that the soul was tortured because it doesn't exist.

            If "annihilationism" is true then he'll shouldn't exist because it's a pointless middle step that ultimately doesn't have any effect on the overall fate of the soul in question.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Annihilationism addresses whether the soul is conditionally immortal or not. Jesus taught that God could kill both body and soul, whereas other entities only have power over the body. '
            >Torturing
            Being punished for sins/crimes isn't torture. Torture is harming someone so they can say/do something, there's no info to be extracted from someone who is in hell.
            >In other words it doesn't matter that the soul was tortured because it doesn't exist.
            This doesn't make sense. People who are sitting on death row right now know that they are being punished, and their punishment is far more severe than the person who is a lifer. This is why most states petition for life in prison rather than the death penalty, no one wants to die, they'd rather spend life in prison.

            The common view that hell is "eternal torture" makes it so that unbelievers think that they can have parties or that they'll exist forever; The wages of sin is death (not eternal conscious torment) but the gift of God is eternal life.

            Outside of the grace of God and believing in Christ, there's no other hope.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Une Chienne Andalou

            >Annihilationism addresses whether the soul is conditionally immortal or not. Jesus taught that God could kill both body and soul
            Yes. This also makes sense if you consider that some of the most influential Christian theologians borrowed their metaphysics from Aristotle. Aristotle did not believe in an eternal soul and taught that the soul is annihilated after death. In Christian metaphysics, this is technically still true, but they add to it saying that there is a way to escape this fate that wohld otherwise be inevitable for all people, which is salvation, in which God reanimates the body of the deceased and reunites the body and soul. Those who are not saved, will be annihilated. Hell IS the annihilated process for these souls.
            Too bad these philosophers were wrong and their conception of the soul is superficial at best lmao
            >Torture is harming someone so they can say/do something,
            Wrong. Torture has more to do with HOW you hurt someone rather than why. It’s inherently sadistic in the sense that the one torturing derives some kind of enjoyment from inflicting harm on the other and seeing their pain, it’s harm for harm’s sake, unnecessarily painful because you like seeing people suffer.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And your conception of the soul is correct because....?
            >Torture has more to do with HOW you hurt someone rather than why.
            Nope it has a lot more to do with the why. This is the classical definition of the word that is routinely mangled online. If I tickle you ceaselessly and only promise to stop if you could tell me what 4213 * 3213 is, then I'm torturing you, however if I do the same act because we're friends, then I'm not torturing you. Same action, different motives. Hell isn't torture, hell is you reaping what you sow.

            If you enjoy being a racist that's what you'll reap in eternity, as you get more and more hateful that you begin to hate even yourself. That's why the image of hell fire is used, fire can either refine or disintegrate, humans in hell will be disintegrating, this site represents an aspect of that disintegration since it often portrays a picture of humanity where no one is anyone's friend and you're a "cuck" or whatever epithet at any given time for not being "x,y,z"

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Hell isn't torture, hell is you reaping what you sow.
            I don't know what backwards shithole you are from but here in the west burning someone alive is considered torture.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're clearly new to this thread and clearly angry to be worth dialoguing with, but my view in hell, even that post you replied to, doesn't imply that hell will be a literal fire or a literal lake. The fact that these images are used represent a far worse reality, that hell is where you (if you don't repent) turn into and keep turning into an even worse version of yourself without hope of redemption. Hell is the disintegration of the image of God in humanity. Until you're just left being a cavern for hatred and anger (the same attributes you're displaying to a total stranger right now)

          • 2 weeks ago
            Une Chienne Andalou

            >And your conception of the soul is correct because....?
            Not “my” conception of the soul. The Aristotelian (and by extension Christian) idea of the soul got absolute btfo long before I was ever born. Plato knew the soul was eternal, Plotinus taught an eternal simple soul. Ramanuja too recognized the soul as pure consciousness, and not some materialistic “form of the body” bullshit like Aristotle claimed. Aristotle was an asinine fool and his conception of the soul and self influenced his politics and when you compare the policies advocated for by Aristotle with those of Plato, you can immediately see that Aristotle was a filthy unenlightened Chud, just like all materialists.

            >hell is you reaping what you sow.
            lol
            >sow finite seeds
            >reap infinite wheat
            lmao

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How does responding "lol" and "lmao" further anything? You're not interested in truth
            >Ramanuja
            Who? I see the perfunctory hypocrisy found in religions that believe in reincarnation in their blatant caste systems and disregard for the poor.
            >The reason youre suffering is cause you were a bad person in another life....No I don't have proof of that....I just know

          • 2 weeks ago
            Une Chienne Andalou

            >You're not interested in truth
            The irony of saying this right before you go on to make a caricature of reincarnation lmao
            >I see the perfunctory hypocrisy found in religions that believe in reincarnation in their blatant caste systems and disregard for the poor.
            Buddhism teaches reincarnation and has rejected the caste system since the beginning. Pretty sure this applies to Jainism too but that’s largely irrelevant because Jainism is a moronic materialistic religion too.
            Funny how you consider poverty in Asia to be a result of their religion rather than foreigners who kept them under a boot for literal centuries. What if I were to attribute the violence of these colonizers to your religion? That would be a strawman wouldn’t it?
            >>The reason youre suffering is cause you were a bad person in another life....No I don't have proof of that....I just know
            As opposed to what?
            >You are suffering now but it’s all part of LE PLAN! you don’t understand, you NEED to suffer! it will all work out for good in the end… because I just know it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What's the reason for poverty in Asia, especially India where Buddhism and Hinduism have flourished way longer than Christianity? Caste system is still strong in these regions despite the region boasting 95% of its practitioners. This isn't a question of politics but whether your belief has the same power and impact behind it that the Gospel has had on the entire world.

            And the call to alleviate suffering is to honor God, and the image of God that exists in every human being. A sentiment that is clearly not shared by everyone, especially not in IQfy, where racism is always rampant. And I don't see that view found in highly tribalistic religions either, if you think someone is suffering because they were bad in a previous life, then you have no reason to help them, so you perpetuate the exact same cycle you're allegedly attempting to escape.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Une Chienne Andalou

            >What's the reason for poverty in Asia, especially India where Buddhism and Hinduism have flourished way longer than Christianity?
            So it’s just a coincidence that India and China were flourishing civilizations with sophisticated societies before foreign ideologies came with their colonizers? India in particular was colonized by mudslimes before the British came with Christianity.
            >And the call to alleviate suffering is to honor God, and the image of God that exists in every human being. A sentiment that is clearly not shared by everyone
            Vedanta literally teaches that the true self of every one of us is Brahman, and from this teachings of non-violence and charity easily flow. Unfortunately the popular form of religion in India is devotional religion which basically stunted them spiritually and intellectually on such a severe level it will take ages to recover. This I will admit is the fault of no outside and was simply a twist of fate. Buddhism also stresses compassion for all sentient beings, the whole point of a bodhisattva is to help other sentient beings raise awareness and reach enlightenment. All sentient beings are said to have “buddha-nature”.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > If I tickle you ceaselessly and only promise to stop if you could tell me what 4213 * 3213 is, then I'm torturing you
            Ughhh now I’m horny

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >This doesn't make sense.
            It would make sense if you would stop comparing hell to prison. A modern prison is heaven compared to hell. The way hell is described seems far worse than death/non-existence. And yet if one is going to stop existing anyway then nothing that has ever happened mattered including the "cruel and unusual punishment" that is hell. So why does hell exist?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The way hell is described seems far worse than death/non-existence
            Yeah that's the point. No one should want to go to hell, that's why it's described the way it is.
            >It would make sense if you would stop comparing hell to prison
            It's the closest analogy I can point to, and it's still insufficient. Modern prisons are like day-camp in comparison, but I don't know anyone who wants to go to prison.
            > And yet if one is going to stop existing anyway then nothing that has ever happened mattered
            This is false. It's because you're going to stop existing forever that you're faced with the existential dread of squandering it all chasing after sinful exploits, especially when considering the alternative that's offered by Christ. Forgiveness of all your sins and a fresh start.

            >So why does hell exist?
            Because God is Holy and Just, and hopes to end evil once for all. And hell is where that'll happen, you don't want to be on the other side of God's wrath against evil, so seek refuge in Christ, who offers forgiveness and a new life.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >This is false. It's because you're going to stop existing forever that you're faced with the existential dread of squandering it all chasing after sinful exploits, especially when considering the alternative that's offered by Christ. Forgiveness of all your sins and a fresh start.
            I don't think you understand the implications of ceasing to exist. Nothing feels existential dread, nothing regrets not following Christ, nothing feels the fires of hell, etc. there is no point it is the same conclusion you get if you consider nihilism. "I sinned and now I'm going to stop existing? Oh well, not my problem"

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I sinned and now I'm going to stop existing? Oh well, not my problem
            Except this is not true let alone realistic at all. Even nihilists experience existential dread. Ceasing to exist when knowing that you were meant to live forever and having visible proof of it *IS* hell. What's the common cause of depression these days? People feeling like they lack a purpose and are unfulfilled by life.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What you know and what you experience doesn't matter if you don't exist.

            It is really conceptually difficult if not impossible for a human brain to consider itself not existing and I think you are struggling with wrapping your head around it.

            The very moment a soul is annihilated everything that came before loses all meaning. It's a net zero gain and there's no point in "harming it" in hell and lecturing it on its sinfulness because it all adds up to zero.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What you know and what you experience doesn't matter if you don't exist.
            Again. False.
            >Net zero gain
            Yeah exactly. There's no gain when you go to hell. That's it. That's the horror of it. Weeping and anger will be the dominant emotions; people who are depressed and angry are so because they have no hope.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Again. False
            It's just not false though. Non-existence isn't an infinite black space like when you close your eyes. It's something you are literally incapable of imagining because you are a something.
            >That's the horror of it. Weeping and anger will be the dominant emotions;
            And it doesn't matter because you won't exist.
            >Accustom yourself to believe that death is nothing to us, for good and evil imply awareness, and death is the privation of all awareness; therefore a right understanding that death is nothing to us makes the mortality of life enjoyable, not by adding to life an unlimited time, but by taking away the yearning after immortality. For life has no terror; for those who thoroughly apprehend that there are no terrors for them in ceasing to live. -Epicurus

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Epicurus didn't believe his own quotes because he loved being alive and doing philosophy to ever give it up. Everyone is afraid of dying, and everyone is afraid of losing the people they love, but more than that everyone is deathly afraid of losing a REASON to live, and in hell that reason, that hope, is taken away FOREVER.

            No one should want to go to hell. And so instead of trying to figure out ways to rationalize it and rationalize your sin, you should ask God for forgiveness and for a fresh start in Christ.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sure Epicurus didn't spend all his time pondering philosophy just to find elaborate ways to lie to himself.

            Yes everyone is afraid of dying I don't disagree with that.
            But if someone is going to die/stop-existing then it isn't really their problem because you can't have problems if you don't exist.

            >but more than that everyone is deathly afraid of losing a REASON to live, and in hell that reason, that hope, is taken away FOREVER.
            You'll have to explain this. What is the reason to live? And how do you take it away from a non-existent being?

            >No one should want to go to hell. And so instead of trying to figure out ways to rationalize it and rationalize your sin, you should ask God for forgiveness and for a fresh start in Christ.
            I definitely wouldn't want to go to hell, but ceasing to exist wouldn't anything literally. It's also what I am mainly expecting anyway. I'm an agnostic.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but ceasing to exist wouldn't anything
            Wouldn't **be** anything

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            When you die, you stop existing, at least on this side of reality you do. The thought of dying brings you great dread, that's why lots of humans distract themselves and don't think too much about it. The thought of not existing may incite someone to either go out and live life to improve their situation or slump over in a chair and be morbid about their non-existence one day.

            >What is the reason to live?
            To experience more joy, to form lasting relationships, to flourish, to enjoy life and all the joys that life has to offer, to feel loved and to love. Dying means that you lose all these things in an instant. Knowing that you're going to die . Ever been to a cancer ward? Saddest place on the planet. The sadness is leeched into the air, those people know they're going to die and there's no hope. Even if some of them are atheists, there's still morbidity.

            Christian life is rooted in hope that Christ has conquered death. No other religion or philosophy offers this kind of hope. Faith in Christ means that life has meaning, even in suffering, especially in suffering, because Christ, being God, Himself also suffered so He's not distant from our own sufferings.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Faith in Christ means that life has meaning
            Which is...
            To experience more joy, to form lasting relationships, to flourish, to enjoy life and all the joys that life has to offer, to feel loved and to love.
            The point of life is to live, duh. But does it really have "meaning"?

            Can you entertain a hypothetical let's say that when a soul is let into heaven it's allowed to experience love and flourishing and expects to live forever and then is annihilated with those thoughts in it's head. Would you say this is better or worse than hell and annihilation?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What does it mean "to live"? Is it just existing? The person who has the most joy versus the person who has the least joy on earth right now, they're both living, but who is enjoying life more? This is the stark contrast, someone in hell knows they'll die and they'll know that will really be the end. Even atheists question whether their unbelief is warranted, that won't be the case in hell.

            A soul that is in heaven knows that it will live forever and that only increases its joy. The exact opposite is true for the one that is in hell.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The answer is that neither is better than the other (heaven + annihilation) = 0 and (hell + annihilation) = 0. Non existentence isn't scary, dying is scary but it only takes a moment to die.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but it only takes a moment to die
            The crazy thing though is that there's only one way to prove this but you won't do it because you (rightly) value your life.

            Heaven is infinitely better than hell, because heaven is an infinite reward based on pure grace while hell is a person getting what they deserve based on their imperfect merits.

            >Non existence isn't scary
            You only say this because you haven't actually thought about it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You only say this because you haven't actually thought about it.
            I have. If I didn't exist I wouldn't feel fear. It's the same thing as before I was born I've already spent about 13.6 billion years (maybe much longer) not existing it wasn't that bad.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We're talking about the moment before you die. Right now you fear death because you fear losing what you currently have, thinking about this brings you uneasiness. Thinking that you will one way stop existing, and it will be because of your lack of belief, will be far more tortuous.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In the moment before I die forever methinks it will soon not be my problem to lament over which God I should have been worshipping.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Most people on their death-beds record having regret. The #1 regret is “I wish I'd had the courage to live a life true to myself.”

            It may not look like it now, but a life of sin devoid of repentance and faith in Christ is you not being true to your self and it only leads to regret. If not repented of, the regret will be eternal.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I wish I'd had the courage to live a life true to myself.
            I won't have this problem. I know what I am what I want and find deep satisfaction in the things I enjoy.

            The idea of not existing doesn't bother me because I know it's not my problem.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I hope you don't remain in this state because it indeed is a fearful one. That God would show you the folly of your sin and you'd see your need for Christ and His redemption.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The only thing I need is access to math and physics textbooks, pencils, paper, and a ti30X

          • 2 weeks ago
            Une Chienne Andalou

            >Because God is Holy and Just, and hopes to end evil once for all. And hell is where that'll happen
            If hell is eternal then that will literally never happen. Evil will just co-exist eternally alongside God. Annihilationism is the only way it can be said that God “ends” evil permanently.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Annihilationism is the only way it can be said that God “ends” evil permanently.
            ...Which is why I'm advocating for annihilationism as the Biblical doctrine of hell. Haven't you been reading a single thing I've been writing?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You couldd't be happy if you didn't know that grandpa and grandma are in hell.
      >The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their brethren in eternal fire.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think everyone goes to Heaven

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This should be the default position.

      Anyone who strays from that without VERY good reasons deserves to be punished.

      Exactly how is unclear though.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Should have said:

        Exactly how severely is unclear though.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think everyone goes to Heaven

          You're wrong

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not. This the only good and sane position to take.

            Unnecessary deviation from that is basically evil.

            Your israelite book doesn't change that.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bigotry, racism, and hatred won't exist in heaven, so I don't see how you insist everyone will go to heaven while still holding onto these vices. If the heaven you believe in is real, what would make it different than earth?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Bigotry, racism, and hatred
            >implying anyone deserve to be barred from heaven for trifles like that
            You are an evil c**t aren't you? And a hateful one at that.

            Heaven doesn't have to be a single place. You can easily imagine it as a set of countries where each country in populated by compatible people who love each others. No need to interact with the people you don't like.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So your version of heaven is what Hitler was trying to accomplish? That's interesting.

            In that case, the heaven you're thinking of isn't real. Sounds like hell to me.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You don't like my notion of Heaven because you are a resentful man who wants to see the people he doesn't like suffer. In other words you are hateful and evil.

            And your reference of Hitler as a gotcha proves that you think in term of buzz values. In other words your moral sense and judgement is superficial.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Who between us is the racist? How can hatefulness be seen as a negative if you're the one advocating and promoting it shamelessly?

          • 2 weeks ago
            JWanon

            >Who between us is the racist?
            Me, I am.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Again you can only spout buzz values. Like racism is the only form of hate. It's not. Wanting to see people suffer is vastly more hateful and evil.

            Don't think you are in any position to judge about eschatology with that kind of warped, hate-filled mind.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Words that describe your current state are not "buzz values"

            I don't want to see people suffer, I want people to repent and turn to Christ. But I also recognize that some people won't do that, because they sadly prefer to stew in hatred and worldliness a lot more.

            You're the one who used the phrase "israelite book" and called me a "c**t" but you're complaining about hatred and evil?

            The heaven described in the Bible won't have any place for this kind of talk or racism, it sounds like the one you believe in, will.

            Hell is God allowing you to become what you've been becoming here on earth without hope of reform. That's true hell.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Threatening people with hell unprovokedly like you do is a vastly deeper sin than being 'racist' or insulting. In fact willful adherence to an ideology that supports people going to hell for trifles and judging good-willed people as deserving of hell might well be in itself essentially deserving of hell. In my opinion, if there's a genuinely just God and hell exists then people like you have some of the highest chance of ending there. You are indeed hateful and evil, and your brain is too superficial and addled for you to be able judge anybody properly.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Threatening people with hell unprovokedly like you do is a vastly deeper sin than being 'racist' or insulting. In fact willful adherence to an ideology that supports people going to hell for trifles and judging good-willed people as deserving of hell might well be in itself essentially deserving of hell. In my opinion, if there's a genuinely just God and hell exists then people like you have some of the highest chance of ending there. You are indeed hateful and evil, and your brain is too superficial and addled for you to be able judge anybody properly.

            Mmmm if you are annihilationist then my post probably went too far. Scratch that.

            That said I still think it's ridiculous to base your notion of God and Heaven on ancient israeli writings. And you are still a resentful hypocrite for hiding behind those and denying that people who did trifles you happen not to like can go to Heaven.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You don't like my notion of Heaven because you are a resentful man who wants to see the people he doesn't like suffer. In other words you are hateful and evil.

            And your reference of Hitler as a gotcha proves that you think in term of buzz values. In other words your moral sense and judgement is superficial.

            Races don't exist in heaven, everything is effectively dissolved as we're all one spirit in heaven, if you take Acts or Chritianity seriously. All the noise you're talking about is nonsense and propaganda you got from IQfy or your racist parents. The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus allows you to open your heart to other people and build a society worth living in as part of your good works to him. You want to keep people aliennated, isolated, and hateful of each other

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            moron. Humans retain their bodies, and by extension, their race in heaven. You have denied Christianity in order to "own the chuds."

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're a christian in the same way that Desantis is a christian by putting the homeless in concentration. Settler Christianity is a bunch of hogwash nonsense. "Jesus" in your iteration of christianity is just suburban tribal nonsense to beatdown on colonized and oppressed people.

            Bodies are a material thing, race is an abstraction, those things don't exist in Heaven if there is one, or at least not in the same way a malicious agent like you can weaponize to divide people and get them away from God

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is stupid and you think in term of buzz values.

            If christianity is so loving why does it allow the sinners to go to hell? Isn't that alienation and hate against them? Isn't shoving people in some one-size-fit-all mold and rejecting those that don't fit much more hateful than allowing people to go their own ways and live happily with those they like? Separation isn't inherently hateful (and if it were then so would be separating the the saved and the damned) but rather it provides the precondition for rich inner development and happiness. Aren't christians much more hateful of the damned than the groups in my notion of Heaven are of one another since they don't harm each other? Besides since my notion of Heaven is by default open to all races it's obviously not 'racist' in any meaningful sense.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The real answer is that everyone gets everything they want and sinners turn their paradise into hell through their inherently fricked up desires.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    christcucks are simply brown-brained; either morons, sadists or both
    end of discussion

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends, to someone spending a few days to years in hell their time on earth will have been a fond memory. To someone spending many kalpas in niraya I doubt you'd be capable of remembering anything. I don't think it's a useful question to dwell on though

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do Hell beings have memories of their past lives?
      I thought that was something only arhats could do

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The trauma of birth causes you to lose memories of past lives. Beings that aren't born (gods, people in hell, and some ghosts come to mind) retain memories of their last mortal life.
        Also technically non -arahants can have memories of past lives, it's just that it's impossible to distinguish between these memories and delusions

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t fear hell because I believe in Jesus and the love and mercy of God

    Only reason you’d have to fear hell is if you know you’re evil, or for some reason you believe in God but deny him regardless.

    If you don’t believe in God why would you be afraid of hell anyway

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But there are many religions with a negative "hell" afterlife and most of them rely on you picking the right religion. That's pretty scary.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No they don't.
        Every religion except Christianity says that the basis of your judgment will be your "good works" versus your "bad works" and whichever wins out gets you in. Since most people (falsely) believe themselves to be doing more good works than bad, that means most people ought to be fine.

        Christianity says that only those clothed in Christ's righteouness inherit eternal life. So all your good works are irrelevant at earning you salvation before God.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hell isn't something to experience. It's a place to burn souls. A lake of fire. A consequence of mankind binding itself to this earth. You see when Lucifer was defeated after the rebellion he was cast down to earth in chains known in the Bible as the tree of knowledge located in the Garden of Eden. It tied Lucifer to the material world through the tree absorbing his spirit until he eventually is no more. In order to escape this fate and break free from the material plane he must burn the tree shackling hi. Adam and Eve by at from the fruit of good and evil he convinced them by saying they'll
    escape mortality and become Gods themself but only if eat the fruit of the tree or knowledge of good and evil. A great deceit.b It's only Lucifer that has a shot of becoming god. All mankind provides is energy to burn keeping his fire going and burn down the tree of knowledge. All so Lucifer can escape prison so he doesn't die here and gets back into heaven.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think most people truly fathom how wicked man is. I used to think hell was unjust. As I've grown older and seen just how sorrowful and depraved this world is I can only see it as justice.

    This world is a beautiful place and yet it is a cursed place because of us. Though we have the means to see every person flourish, we instead selfishly horde wealth. We chase licentious pleasure instead of God. We are loveless and so unlovable. Even as a speak babes are dashed against concrete by the power of explosives. Young children go hungry even as gluttons continuously eat themselves into sullen misery.

    The pains of nature are as nothing in comparison to the endless miseries man heaps upon man. We do this to each other. The Earth is a writhing sea of suffering and desire — insatiable desire spawning infinite suffering. And yet man in his pride would judge God's justice?

    When I first read Dante's Inferno I looked on it with horror and morbid curiosity. How could one think the divine was capable of such?

    Now I know the divine must be capable of such, for it is what man deserves. It is rather grace that is miraculous, wonderous. To be lifted from a sea of sorrows, from the writhing mass of self-evicerating sinners, not on our merit, but on the merit of the one who loved us when we were still sinners — to be offered full adoption and union with the divine nature — this is what is truly miraculous.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The essence of the Divine Nature is such that man must undergo purgation and be emptied of this rebellious and sinful nature. And this is provided for by grace. What could be more miraculous and undeserving?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I find funny that believers like you have zero explanation for the existence of psychopaths (people who cannot be good due a defect in their brain) beyond calvinism which makes God the author of evil.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The christian god sure loves white middle class people
      >This world is a beautiful place and yet it is a cursed place because of us. Though we have the means to see every person flourish, we instead selfishly horde wealth. We chase licentious pleasure instead of God. We are loveless and so unlovable. Even as a speak babes are dashed against concrete by the power of explosives. Young children go hungry even as gluttons continuously eat themselves into sullen misery.

      Anti-human ideology

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Anti-human ideology
        It really is. It teaches that humanity is bad and life itself is wrong, a Christian world is a world of servile cattle creatures with no ambition or direction. It's such a sick life-denying religion.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, a Christian world is a world full of people who recognize their limitations and pray for mercy, grace, and virtue.

          But instead men think themselves virtuous even though they have made the world wicked. The world is good, it is man in the depths of his sin that corrupts it.

          Man's purpose, his telos, is to contemplate the Divine Nature. It is only in this that he shall be flourish. But we live in a degenerate world where man is a slave, not an agent of truth as is intended. Man is a slave to desire, circumstance, and instinct. The pagan philosophers could see this.

          We have fallen further since then. Man now rejoices in this slaves. The intellect is to be "the slave of the passions," as Hume would have it, the disordered man held up as an ideal. Nietzsche crowns this dismal project with a tremendous focus on avoiding the slavery of dogmatism, only to totally miss how it is that man can be a slave to his own base desires.

          As Saint Augustine says, a good man might be free, though a slave, while a wicked king has as many masters as he has vices. As Plato has Socrates say, "a bad thing can never happen to a good man," and so it is with this world. But to become good in the first place requires grace. As Saint Bonaventure says, the world is a ladder handed down by grace through which man can ascend to God. But most men, enslaved to their sin, reject this ladder or climb but the first rungs. They do not wish to deny themselves, or to become poor in spirit, but would rather be rich in their own corruptible spirit. Thus they slave away for the mutable things, things which must always give way to corruption, rather than the immutable and incorruptible, which springs only from the Divine Trinity.

          He who rejects the Logos can never fathom why he acts, and so is always a slave. Christ offers freedom. Modernity offers not but the abyss of relativism, freedom from virtue and righteousness. To think, people today no longer hold "being a good person," as a goal.

          • 2 weeks ago
            JWanon

            >real communism hasn't been tried!
            lol

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe, but real Christianity has been. Saint Thelca, Saint Francis, Saint Bonaventure, Saint Theresa, Saint John of the Cross — we do have examples of the proper way to live.

          • 2 weeks ago
            JWanon

            Then start acting like them and leave us the frick alone, no one wants your israelite grift.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Anti-human ideology
        It really is. It teaches that humanity is bad and life itself is wrong, a Christian world is a world of servile cattle creatures with no ambition or direction. It's such a sick life-denying religion.

        >christianity is anti-human
        Islam is worse in this.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, Christianity is definitely more anti-human. Islam is just more authoritative, but it doesnt view the human spirit with contempt like Christianity does.
          You just need to follow a lot of rules, which can be hard to do, but its not anti-human.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You know nothing at all about islam, while I've studied it for years so sit down and listen. Its obscurantism is on a scale incomparable to christianity, they don't care about other cultures and religions, they have no curiosity, they have zero artistic inclination, they want the entire world to be one big theocratic shithole. Their entire religion is one big frick you to the human spirit that desires freedom, compassion and knowledge. On every single metric islam is worse, but I'm sure you'll enjoy the migrants coming near you since you feel closer to them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I dont disagree with you that Islam sucks. I just think that the ways in which Christianity sucks are much more subtle and less obvious than the way Islam sucks.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Contrary to popular belief, islam can also be subtle and insidious.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The christian god sure loves white middle class people

        I don't know what would make you say this. They are the rich of this world, and Christ is very clear on the prospects of the rich re entering heaven.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's only real because you want it to be real, it's only real in your mind.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I believe in this horrible place of torment for evil people
    >Well yea, I don't have any photos or proof or anything, quit asking!
    Right...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Interesting conversation

      Catholics believe that Hell has been revealed to certain saints
      The visions of certain saints are very popular talking points about Catholics

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's all made up stuff; It doesn't need to make sense

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