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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    are those ARM chips?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      not arm
      leg

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No. Simply because I don't need one. Maybe, sometime in the future, at least 7-10 years from now, I will be in need of a new laptop or some shit, but i doubt it.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >armshit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >not liking arm chipsets

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know how people can look at something like this and think "AI is the revolutionary countercultural tool I can use to become equal to the elites" and not "AI is exactly what the elites want me to get excited about, and therefore I should be suspicious." It's not even about local AI vs. SaaS AI, because these things are for local AI.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Already preordered the new Surface Ultimate Edition.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Hey g I'm a massive bbc loving homosexual!
      Posted it again award goes to you anon.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yikes. Imagine buying this over an M4. It's just going to be abandoned and discontinued by Microsoft just like their Windows phone and their last ARM surface because nobody wants to re-write code to re-compile to arm chips.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >all 1000+ dorra price pont for being beta tester
    Hard pass tbh.
    Gonna wait for chinksht mini pcs
    Best I can do is 300

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not yet. I bet there will be a quick price drop.
    Pre-order for the ChinkPad is $2,600.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Are these ARM coprocessors or are they full on ARM laptops? Because an ARM Latitude is a complete surprise

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      its full-arm

      >arm
      if i wanted my pc to have no software support id install linux

      Yeah, I'd love to spend money on an windows laptop that has no software.

      The fact that you can just run any scetchy 20 year old .exe is the major reason why people are using windows in the first place. Is MS having a manic episode about becoming the new apple or something?

      It will support linux dont worry

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >arm
    if i wanted my pc to have no software support id install linux

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >only the surface pro is detacheable
    Son of a b***h

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, I'd love to spend money on an windows laptop that has no software.

    The fact that you can just run any scetchy 20 year old .exe is the major reason why people are using windows in the first place. Is MS having a manic episode about becoming the new apple or something?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Microsoft have been making ARM Windows devices for 12 years, they've just never succeeded at getting anyone to port software to them. I actually briefly had a Surface RT back in 2012, and it was great at running Office and shit at everything else.
      There were already ARM Surfaces and Thinkpads with performance and battery life not much worse than these, and nobody wanted them. It seems like their plan is to put a big sticker on them saying "AI" and hope that the hype will somehow fix this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And this is the reason why it will fail. Apart from all of the spying and telemetry with their AI stuff.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >how many PMICs you want bro?
    >idk, just frick my shit up
    lunar lake is gonna pump and dump qualcomm

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    people will see this and yeah, let get a macbook

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Unless you get one from 2020 you're getting ARM anyway, which has both the same problem of emulation for non native apps. The transition is rough for everyone. Long term Mac users went through 6502 (Apple II) > 68000 > PowerPC > Intel > ARM.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No, no I won't.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no why

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Windows is ruining computing
    I hope more people realize that

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'll wait for someone else to confirm that it isn't shit and also that it runs linux.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I talked with one of their engineers in a recent Q&A and he said there will be linux support, they are also upstreaming patches to the kernel

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Linux has had ARM support for a while now. All those raspberry pi-s and whatnot. Might need a patch for this fresh out the oven cpu, but it'll be there in no time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because of lack of BIOS/UEFI on arm
      Each laptop SKU needs its own custom baked ISO
      If not unlocked bootloader support cucked by OEM
      https://www.qualcomm.com/developer/blog/2024/05/upstreaming-linux-kernel-support-for-the-snapdragon-x-elite

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Because of lack of BIOS/UEFI on arm
        All Windows 10/11 ARM laptops have UEFI. The article you linked to even says this.
        >Each laptop SKU needs its own custom baked ISO
        Also wrong. The article you linked to says Linux will get the devicetree from the firmware. Kind of like ACPI on the PC platform.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So any OEM that doesn't want to support Linux can just not include the devicetree in the firmware?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            All Windows 10/11 ARM laptops have ACPI too.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And Qualcomm haven't said anything about making sure that Linux works in ACPI mode, which they need to considering no one follows the ACPI standard.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >which they need to considering no one follows the ACPI standard.
            Yes, but that's no different to PC laptops. There are PC laptops that Linux doesn't work on today and it has nothing to do with UEFI or ACPI. You've never been able to buy a laptop without first looking up if Linux will work well on it, and this won't change with ARM.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's the Linux book air I have been waiting for. Thank you Microsoft!

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WTF is copilot+

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      a new name for telemetry

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      windows's jarvis

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      morons just can't come up with a brand new name for a product, so there are copilot (code shit from github), copilot+ (like clippy and bonzi buddy for padjendows 11) and we probably will see copilot++, which will be some horrible abomination.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    early days:
    > Apple A series chips only had P-cores
    > Qualcomm went with Big-Little architecture
    then
    > After A11, Apple went with Big-Little architecture (A-series are 6-core chips with 2P + 4E cores)
    > until this day every Apple Silicon chip has P and E cores
    now:
    > Snapdragon elite only has P-cores
    > apparently still manages great battery life

    what's the transistor count on these frickers? I'm thinking Qualcomm traded GPU transistors to be able to compete with the newest M-series chips, 12 P-cores is a lot, that's basically M-Pro and M-Max tier

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's all P cores because their single core performance is ~15% worse than the M3, they just gave it 3x as many P cores to make up the difference. I have my doubts about how that will translate to real world use, especially when there's relatively little ARM Windows software available and their X86 emulation isn't very good.
      I also have to wonder about the battery life claims, because in addition to needing more cores to match an M3's performance it also runs ~15C hotter, so clearly it's using more energy. They're either slapping a huge battery in the thing compared to a Macbook Air, or doing some Zen 2 style shenanigans where it cripples its clock rate as soon as you unplug it.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    When are we getting regular tablets like a galaxy tab s9 with snapdragon x and support to an actual complete OS? I wouldn't mind a 600 dollars 500g that I can attach a keyboard (and sometimes a monitor) and program in it locally for 8+ hours in a full charge.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if copilot was any good i might consider it but its trash. i bet apple will probably do a better job.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    will windows search still be shit?

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yes, so i can test Arch Linux on ARM

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >still can't run local StableDiffusion on the NPU
    Why do devs give so little shit about AMD and Qualcomm?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody cares about anything but Nvidia. Stable Diffusion is only available for Apple's NPU because they ported it themselves. Speaking of which, Apple have been shipping NPUs in everything since 2018, so nothing here is really new.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No I won't get a Backdoor AI PC.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >will you get a MS spying machine?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Oh because they didn't do that before

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They didn't take a screenshot every 5 seconds, and didn't run some shady AI algorithms on it while making a pinky promise nothing is leaving my computer

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There was actually a Mac app that did exactly this before, using Apple’s NPU for on device processing. I think it was called Rewind or something similarly generic and impossible to google
          MS literally just stole the idea and baked it into the desktop environment

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Will this make AMD Chinkpads from 2023 super cheap? God, I'm salivating at the idea of everyone downgrading to ARM for me battery life when AMD's battery life is more than enough for anyone.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The existence of the Z1 Extreme is what has me questioning why this product exists, really. That’s already a small APU with great CPU and graphics performance at 15W, why wouldn’t you just use that instead of a chip that can’t run anything useful natively

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Show me an z1 laptop with 24h of battery life.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          OEMs have only put it in handhelds with tiny batteries since that’s what it was primarily designed for. The 7840U is roughly analogous but runs with much higher power profiles. My point is AMD can already make a good x86 chip that runs around 3-15W, they’re just not widely used in laptops because nobody seems to care about quiet low power windows laptops.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What the usecase?
          *Insert ebussy picture here*
          I can't think of a 24 hour period where I was away from an outlet besides camping when I don't use a fricking laptop

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            For me it's not having to bother about charging the day before (or for days), look at the battery at 50% and still feel like it's good enough to just throw in the bag without bringing a charger even if I end up using it for hours (and some peace of mind that it will still be usable even after battery starts to lose efficiency). But a notebook for me is just an always ready backup for when I can't use my desktop, if it was my main device then I would prioritize power over battery life.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We need to start being honest with ourselves I think. Laptops have long been good enough for 99 percent of people's use cases. The constant drive to improve the product each year leads to what in my my are terrible compromises and steps backwards, like using ARM chips

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ARM laptops are great, you get significantly better battery life and thermals and nowadays they're fast enough that there's no performance compromise. They're only bad if you want to run performance-sensitive legacy software (this is a euphemism for video games) which does not belong on a laptop to begin with

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If a device can't play video games, it belongs in the trash. Only jobhomosexuals would disagree.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If I'm an IoT LTSC baby duck, am I fricked? I was looking for a new laptop I could upgrade to IoT LTSC, but if everything is going ARM, it seems like I'm out of luck. I'll just buy an AMD laptop from last like a reasonable human

  31. 1 month ago
    sage

    No. Buy an ad.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Since it's an ARM CPU there's no way it can emulate x86_64 games without performance problems right? What's the point of this except for office workers?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      SteamOS
      Android games

      Plenty to knock your virulently autistic self out with

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