Wow.

It's really hard to accept that such an advanced civilization existed long before the middle ages and not after. The one can only imagine how many planets we would colonize by the moment if not for the Germs and the post-apocalyptic millennia they've rolled Europe into...

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the byzantines carried it on and didn't do much
    china had it uninterrupted and didn't do much

    the modern capitalist era was started by Black folk around the north sea + english channel anyway

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not. Dark age is such a meme and myth. In middle age you have. Islamic golden age. Tang dynasty or Chinese second golden age. Europe also not bad. Since Charlemagne. European catch up from dark age. Dark age is exaggerated. I only last 300-400 years. Then in 11 century to 13 century high middle age. Europe quality of life even surpassed the Roman. It good to live there. Population boom probably cause of of middle age warm period but still Roman too also rich cause of warm weather too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Population boom probably cause of of middle age warm period
      Population boom was created by combo of horse shoes, horse collar and heavy plough. That skyrocketed productivity of labor and land in European agriculture.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think it's unfair to say it was in large part due to the warm period since the population bombed when it ended in the 14th century

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >since the population bombed when it ended in the 14th century
          During 14th century plague pandemic happened.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and it followed and was probably helped by the great famine during which a large percentage of the population died

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, it is cause middle age warm period. Dark age happened in between Roman warm period and middle age warm period. Climate is what drives the barbarian to destroyed the Roman empire

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No it's was caused by technological advances in utilisation of draft animals. When horse became more effecient and primary draft animal, instead of donkeys and oxes. But these inventions (horse shoes, horse collar and heavy plough) are kinda forgotten because we don't use horses anymore and city folks can't grasp effects of these inventions (replaced by cars).

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were much more advanced than we think:

      Contributions of the Greeks and Grecophone Anatolians/Egyptians to human knowledge and technology:

      Archimedes' principle / fluid dynamics, principle of the lever, method of exhaustion, Archimedes' screw, heat rays,, the Archimedean property, the infinite series to find the area of a parabolic segment (Archimedes of Syracuse)

      Euclidean geometry (Euclid of Alexandria)

      Diophantine equations (Diophantus of Alexandria)

      Force pumps, pipe organs (Ctesibius of Alezandria)

      irrational numbers (Pythagoras of Samos)

      Conic sections (either Menaechmus of Proconnesos or Apollonios of Perga)

      Measurament of the circumference of the planet, measurament of the distance between the Earth and moon, the distance between the Earth an the sun, Sieve of Eratosthenes to find prime numbers (Eratosthenes of Cyrene)

      The harmonic mean (Archyas of Taras)

      Aristotelean logic (Aristoteles)

      Proving that there are precisely five regular convex polyhedra (Theaetetus of Athens)

      The theorems that postulate that the areas of circles are to one another as the squares of their radii, volumes of spheres are to one another as the cubes of their radii, the volume of a pyramid is one-third the volume of a prism with the same base and altitude, and the volume of a cone is one-third that of the corresponding cylinder (Eudoxus of Cnidus)

      Antykythera mechanism, first analog computer (unknown Greek astronomer)

      Stoic logic (Chrysippus of Soii)

      The stereographic projection (Hipparcus of Nicaea)

      Treadwheel crane (unknown Greek engineer)

      Meme compared to the Hellenistic Mediterranean

      >hen in 11 century to 13 century high middle age.
      That's after the Dark Ages

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they were all made by the greeks
        what have the romans ever done for us?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you do realize op was talking about rome, right

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Population boom probably cause of of middle age warm period
      Population boom was created by combo of horse shoes, horse collar and heavy plough. That skyrocketed productivity of labor and land in European agriculture.

      Peasant cope. Your agricultural shit doesn't matter outside of low-tier times, like the Middle Ages.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dark age from 500-1000 ad was real
      after that Europe was getting back on track, but then the black death ruined everything once again

      outside of Europe there was never a dark age
      Muslim civilization was arguably still as great as the roman one at its peak

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Black death ruined everything
        Wasn't Black Death one of the reasons for why we even had better quality of life and an explosion in scientific progress?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it also resulted in more barbarism like witch trials, chattel slavery, systemic genocide and racism, and whatever nonsense voltaire said

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You don't have to say anymore, I was already sold on the idea.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its changed some social traditions about salaries but real foundation for progress was accumulation of technical innovations reaching critical mass. (Critical event been printing press)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Christian reputation took a hit and still never recovered from it till now. Many intelligent Christian died in black death. Then after black death it refill with mediocre Christian scholar. So that where the problem became

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It's really hard to accept that such an advanced civilization existed long before the middle ages and not after
    >advanced civilization
    >no horse shoes, no horse collar, no counter weight trebuchet, no Arabic numerals, no compass, no quadrant
    No.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The mindset of ancient people is closer to our own than that of the medieval era. In med times god is responsible for everything and you just have to respect that, in ancient and modern one you are the fruit of your labor. The Renaissance was not just about fancy marble collumns after all.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What weird urban planning is that

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rome's urban planning was apparently terrible and even they know it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's the PEAK urban planning
      >Vespasian be like... where to put the giant amphitheatre? ... OH RIGHT THIS IS THE PERFECT SPOT!!

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >if not for the Germs
    romans destroyed themselves
    they plunged their own civilization to their dark age

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The one can only imagine how many planets we would colonize
    None as 90% of your population would be illiterate or actual slaves in ancient Rome. This ensured you couldn't even make use of steam until Anglos came along.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's only hard to accept if you subscribe to Whig history.

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