Wtf is his problem?

What's up with this guy? He seems so powerful as to be almost a legitimate threat against God. The red dragon almost eats the baby. Wtf? Why would an omnipotent god allow this? Is it all for the plot? Or do we truly live in a Manichean universe? Can any Abrahamics speak to this?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >He seems so powerful as to be almost a legitimate threat against God.
    Not even close.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So what's his role? Why is he allowed to exist?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When you accept that God does things for the lols it all makes a lot more sense.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds kind of sadistic

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe, but what are we gonna do about it?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Be Better Gods

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Realize its a fake and gay story and stop being mindfricked by it? To me the idea of an absentee/clockmaker god who simply set things in motion seems a lot more believable. Hell, even Nick Land's idea of a retroactive AI computer god seems more plausible than an omnipotent, omniscient god who somehow is also prone to fits of rage and "lols". When you accept that the Abrahamic tales are simply part of the Mesopotamian monarchical cultural output it all makes a lot more sense.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >When you accept that the Abrahamic tales are simply part of the Mesopotamian monarchical cultural output it all makes a lot more sense.
            >Mesopotamian monarchical cultural output
            That's why I love it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I choose to believe this. It resonates with me for I too, being made in his image, do things for the lols

          Also anons you should all read William Blake's shit. It's been a while since I really clicked with something

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's called Calvinism or Islam pick your poison

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        to test (You)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lucifer saw the cruelties against animals demanded by God; see all the sacrifice-happy rules in the Bible, especially Leviticus. He could stand their cries no longer, and turned on his Creator because it was the right thing to do.

          What gives God the right to test me? That would seem to imply existence is suffering.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That would seem to imply existence is suffering.

            https://i.imgur.com/imnOQHC.jpeg

            And?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And?
            Therefore, frick God and frick existence. The only answer is to frick everyone else's life up, on a universal scale, so that everyone demands to be uncreated, and opt out of existing. We'll ruin God's fun with his fricking toy.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're really all too wussy to take the ultimate blackpill, aren't you. What a bunch of posers.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's the Miles Edgeworth of creation

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm gonna let this guy tempt my creations' immortal souls into eternal hell for millennia
    God's inaction kinda proves this guy right. Power is not in the right hands in the universe

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's the tragedy of the Mourning Star. Not that he was wrong, and evil, and vain. But that he was right, and lost all the same.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's up with this guy?
    I'm at a loss. He was part of that whole "Yale thing".

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Skull and Bones?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        More that he was probably a closet homosexual who did a lot of cocaine, at Yale thing.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's already been "defeated" and chained, though. Time is an illusion, of course (it only exists for finite creatures) and all of the events prophesied in the Bible have already come to pass. Satan has never been a problem for God and never will be, but he's a problem for us because we're moronic.
    >And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
    If you have any questions about Satan being loosed from his prison, implying that God "will" intentionally set him loose on the world in order to fulfill the prophecy, you only need reference Isaiah. Ignore all of the manipulative arguments about how, well, this is obviously not meant to be taken literally, and how in Hebrew the word translated as "evil" here only really means... calamity. Ah, right, so God creates darkness and calamity. Thanks.
    >I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
    >From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord. “And they shall go forth and look on the dead bodies of the men that have rebelled against me; for their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
    >“For behold, the Lord will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire will the Lord execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the Lord shall be many.
    >“There is no peace,” says the Lord, “for the wicked.”
    >For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So God created a guy he knew would rebel against him and tempt his other creations to rebel against him for...the plot?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. God is the greatest author, and existence is just one inconceivably long parable.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >parable
          for who?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            God is a Stirner Chad?!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is a good Isaiah reading but you still need to reconcile that it is not necessarily the case that angels are atemporal that is a theological inference and in the same way our souls are one-sidedly eternal - that is that we are created yet eternal.

      Sounds kind of sadistic

      Why is pain bad? You actually cannot prove that pain is morally bad without subjectivist argumentation and saying that it matters. Pain is morally neutral when experienced out of justice but for the sake of another is meritorious.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why is pain bad? You actually cannot prove that pain is morally bad without subjectivist argumentation and saying that it matters. Pain is morally neutral when experienced out of justice but for the sake of another is meritorious.

        So then if pain isn't bad that means God doesn't care if I go out and start torturing people for fun? Or is this a rules for thee, but not for me? Or is this just a christcuck larp.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why is pain bad?
        Never said that. I said doing things "for the lols" can be sadistic. What about unjust pain? Immorality? Why are these things allowed to exist by an omnipotent, unconditionally loving god? I find Christians unable to reconcile that contradiction. I am hardly omnipotent but if I see a terminally suffering animal, I kill it as soon as possible. I consider that morally justified. But there are times when things simply suffer until death. How do you reconcile that with your all loving god? God is either ambivalent towards us or not omnipotent. This is where I've come in my contemplation of him.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He can just delete the pain stat

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think the final argumentation that you need to get at is that your will, right now, is actually eternal and atemporal but how does future will impact past will? Is me at 5:00pm more valid than me at 8:00am? We are always in eternity in some sense but also to say that we are fully in eternity risks a very inaccurate and misleading game. Per Catholic (read: true) theology, perfect contrition means God never really leaves your soul, but this oddity means that any and all sins are almost truly permitted in so far as you are validly conformed to Confession which means that in so far as you are validly willing to seek forgiveness and correction you are saved. This is valid but why does the will at the moment of death take priority or prior? It means that our relationship to time is something else entirely - time then is the moment of being potentially saved or rather time is itself the very vehicle of which the yes-no to God is made of and so the plot is not written by God only by God but yet is only written by God. God both is totally in control and not in control of our souls as we can always say no but this no means only our soul is externalized from the yes but the plan itself still goes on. Why would God allow freedom to choose nothingness and eternal torment knowing some would choose it? Well, we don't know that for certain is the point - rather, we know of the possibility and we know how much Christ loves us and in some ways we think of ourselves as a heavenly tourists pilgrimaging on Earth and returning to heaven but yet we are also void tourists in a sense. It is fundamentally above the human mind but people do not fully understand why: Religions that are true must necessarily result not in contradiction but in tensions that are unresolvable without the perfect and the infinite behind them and thus this frustration means that you are actually in the right place. You are the good and the bad thief and in some ways Christ Himself when you realize that you are the lowest of them all. The Crucifixion is the center of us and the world itself.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In some way, Nietzche is the final coward. Staring into the void, or damnation, is easy - imagine staring into perfection and having a choice. That is bravery. God does not want a passive slave but most fundamentally He wants a friend and in some ways, I think, He wants a fighter. A very old and late priest (God rest his soul), well-loved, once had a quote, "It's better to wrestle with God than the devil." The point of life, in my estimation, is that love is most perfectly a type of ritual dance between husband and wife, but yet God gives us a type of freedom for those who need it, which is when one challenges God for the sake of God. That is, not when one sins to flagrantly disregard God, but rather when one has such a deep love and trust of God that one knows that when one takes on the posture of pure and utter challenge that is to say, "I do not see Your perfection and Your goodness. Why? I know You are perfect. I know You are love. Why have You forsaken me?" For me, growth in prayer is not when I am placid or anything but when I hunch over in pure rage and confusion and ask God why and how He would dare to permit that. We understand Job as a just man in, I think, the wrong way. He was not just only before but his loss of property and how he was willing to put God on trial is the reason He is just. God is wide open about this - what you want from God demand of God to be. If you want to see God's mercy then you must put God on trial to show His mercy. You become merciful, loving, kind, charitable, funny, or whatever goodness that you are willing to challenge God for. He will deliver but it is horrifying. Some may say that to love God is to submit to Him and be prepared for Him always and if that works then that is fine but for me it's the opposite, it's staring at the blessed Sacrament and the real presence and asking how God could permit anyone to be lost? Can I not go in their place? How did you make us to lose us? Who is the Son of Perdition? Of course, there is the placid and deep love and appreciation for the Lord that is very good but frankly these things should make you uncomfortable. St. Dominic would regularly spend all night crying before the altar repeatedly saying: "What happens to sinners?"

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he's a reflection of all of us. to be juvenile is to be lucifer. we are afraid of the power of god, and we're tired of living according to his rules. we wish to live according to our own rules, and god lets us do it. we are allowed to live according to our own rules as long as we wish, but in the end we realize that god's rules were perfect all along. in the end, lucifer is the being who deserves forgiveness the most. every being is capable of forgiveness, because we were only doing what we thought was right.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God didn’t like that he was imagining a daughter into existence and fricking her instead singing more hymns. Which honestly would probably put me off a little too now that I think about it.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's up with this guy?
    Angels were given free will and some rebelled per St. Thomas Aquinas. Pseudo-Dionysius says that some angels are just bad at being angels.
    >He seems so powerful as to be almost a legitimate threat against God.
    Not even close. God could kill Satan in seconds but doesn't because Satan is essentially good but his will is evil as he wills against the good.
    >The red dragon almost eats the baby. Wtf?
    But he doesn't!
    >Why would an omnipotent god allow this?
    God loves all things.
    >Is it all for the plot?
    Loving unto the point of freedom is hard to understand but God's ways are not our ways.
    >Or do we truly live in a Manichean universe?
    Evil is parasitical to good so Satan's evil is accidental to his essentially angelic nature.
    >Can any Abrahamics speak to this?
    I'm Roman Catholic but not a trained theologian. Speaking to a priest or theologian about this would work out much better. Keep in mind angels are mostly all from St. Thomas Aquinas's theology and other than believe that their punishment is eternal for their rebellion and they were made good originally you are free to believe a lot (don't quote me on that).

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nice to see durer's techniques survived, i wonder op do you have the discernment to see?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >do you have the discernment to see?
      A sefirot? Sure.

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