XFCE almost ready for wayland

https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap
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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any reason to use wayland other than vague marketing terms like "lean" and "modern"?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Is there any reason to use wayland other than vague marketing terms like "lean" and "modern"?
      nope
      but everyone else is falling for the marketing
      and so wayland has already won

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Xterm is still X only. When that gets ported I'll try Wayland again.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Window isolation by default

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's a bad thing. Shit breaks so many things.
        "Oh but it's safer! More secure!" SystemD is a bigger security issue than Xorg. When has an Xorg thing been exploited for security breaches? If ppl really cared about security they would improve X and cleanup their code. Xenocara exists but no one cares about it being more secure (yes it still needs improvements but it is better than Xorg). Polkit is a bigger security issue than Xorg is. I remember many many mainstream software, such as polkit, having "exploits" and "bugs" (read code obfuscation and intentional) causing ppl to be able to do privilege escalation without password.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >"Oh but it's safer! More secure!" SystemD is a bigger security issue than Xorg.
          Whataboutism
          >When has an Xorg thing been exploited for security breaches?
          Servers don't use xorg specifically because it's so insecure. Servers are where most security breaches are exploited

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>"Oh but it's safer! More secure!" SystemD is a bigger security issue than Xorg.
            >Whataboutism
            SystemD is a defacto dependency for Wayland, so if you want to use Wayland you have to live with SystemD, including all its security issues
            >inb4 no it isn't
            Some juryrigged tutorial on plebbit about how to perform a SystemDtomy doesn't count.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >SystemD is a defacto dependency for Wayland, so if you want to use Wayland you have to live with SystemD, including all its security issues
            what the frick are you talking about?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >SystemD is a defacto dependency for Wayland
            explain how I'm able to use gayland on Artix or Devuan then

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >When has an Xorg thing been exploited for security breaches?
          There was an exploit over a decade ago where you could send X over SSH without a password if the server hadn't patched the vulnerability. I remember having a botnet with thousands of computers on IRC because of it. I had access to medical imaging computers, people's home computers, servers, shit was ridiculous. I used it to DDOS random people I knew, I'd get their IP from MSN messenger and they'd freak out cause their internet was slow. I never had the malicious streak in me so I did it all in fun.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its clunky

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      On KDE there's an overscan option in the display settings that isn't there with X11 for some reason.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      HDR

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the only actual reason
        i'll think about switching when i can run my whole window manager without vsync

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wayland is not a matter of choice, it's a matter of fact nobody wants to maintain xorg anymore. you're free to stay on xorg until your DE drops session support, and even then you're free to stay with outdated packages if everything you need works for you

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nice FUD you got there, moron

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          cope, xister

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the most important feature for the compatibility of linux desktop systems is wine, wine on wayland relies on xwayland, wayland devs have said that they will "always need to maintain xwayland", and therefore that wayland will never replace x. the "x will be replaced/removed/etc" angle completely fails in the face of the fact that wayland relies on x to function while x does not rely on wayland to function. wayland will be mature when it does not need x to do its job for it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This. I despise wayland but kde is on the way to making xorg second class to eventually kill it and i have no option but to use wayland for using the newest features. But honestly plasma 6 on wayland didn't feel any different from xorg so it might be improving.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          as of the last nvidia driver update there are very few differences until you open a program that needs a hacky workaround to make global hotkeys work or a program that uses xwayland at which point you will experience increased latency

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Different dpi scaling options per monitor. That's why I use it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what's the use case for scaling? (asking unironically)

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ease of reading on monitors with two different DPI

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Proper fractional scaling support

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        fractional scaling is something X11 can do and Wayland explicitly can't do

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, but there will be after ~~*they*~~ remove Xorg from your distro's repo because it's *~~obsolete~~*.

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        Anonymous

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          Anonymous

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          Anonymous

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  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will it be renamed to wfce?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably not, considering XFCE was originally short for XForms Common Environment, being a clone of CDE using XForms, while nowadays it's neither a clone of CDE nor does it use XForms

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It is not clear yet which Xfce release will target a complete Xfce Wayland transition (or if such a transition will happen at all)

    Kek yeah they are almost there frends.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      will be available in 4.20
      which is the end of this year
      they just arent dropping x11

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so basically you can use it if you just replace xfwm with another wm?
        still gonna stay on X11 but that's nice, I guess

        >they just arent dropping x11
        thank fricking god

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >so basically you can use it if you just replace xfwm with another wm?
          they are making a wayland port of xfwm
          using wlroots as the base
          but yeah there will be seperate x11 and wayland sessions and you can just use what you wanna use 🙂

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    depends on whether:
    >GNOME becomes unusable
    >xfwm becomes usable
    >Mutter on XFCE is feasible

    i'd like to try, but even if i do, it's gonna be a looooong way in the future anyway, because i'm on an LTS distro

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will not use Wayland, for the simple reason that the client-server model is the lowest priority for them. Wayland proclaims itself superior to X, yet it struggles with simple network transparency. I will accept nothing less.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no i use arch with i3wm

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >use wayland
    >its not ready
    >it uses xwayland for everything

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No
    I like XFCE but it's not possible to make it look right with my 1440p monitor

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >XFCE
    >Connect my phone to it
    >Copy a 10GB single file from it
    >Thunrar File Manager dies
    No tnx

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As if I didn't have enough reasons to hate XFCE

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wayland is LITERALLY the devil. In protest I’m going to shit and piss my pants until the XFCE team reconsiders.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based Xfcebros making Xschizos switch to meme WMs

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wayland made me switch to Windows LTSC

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When Cosmic BTFO gnome and more people switch to wayland xfce might follow.

      Unimaginably filtered.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Should we perhaps improve our compositor to reach parity with other desktops?
    >Nah, Wayland™ will fix it

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >GTK shit
    >So I can contribute to ebussy's legacy

    Nope, I will always use

    KDE plasma/QT
    AMD GPU/RYZEN CPU
    Arch Linux
    SystemD boot
    Pipewire
    Wayland

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >KDE
      cringe
      >Qt
      cringe
      >AMD GPU
      cringe
      >Ryzen CPU
      based
      >Arch Linux
      based
      >systemd-boot
      based
      >pipewire
      based
      >wayland
      cringe

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        for me its
        >xfce (will use wayland when xfce has it)
        >AMD GPU
        >intel CPU
        >artix
        >openrc
        >pipewire
        what am i

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >what am i
          a homosexual

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          artix and pipewire are pretty based. never used openrc (you'll see why in a second), but keep in mind systemd-boot isn't systemd. you can use it on Artix too (I do). so for me it's:
          >xfce (will stay on X11)
          >Nvidia GPU
          >AMD CPU
          >Artix
          >dinit (but still using systemd-boot as my bootloader)
          >pipewire
          you're pretty much half-based like the other anon I guess, but I'd lean more towards based because Artix and xfce

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >dinit (but still using systemd-boot as my bootloader)
            you can do that?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yes, you just need the right pkgbuild to make it from source
            >git clone https://github.com/Demelza/nosystemd-boot-artix/ (that's my repo, you can just use it)
            >cd into folder
            >makepkg -sri --skippgpcheck (you can remove --skippgpcheck if you already have the pgp keys from the systemd repo added)
            >sudo pacman -Rns grub
            >yay -S dracut kernel-install-for-dracut (that'll make you remove mkinitcpio during the install. kernel-install-for-dracut is on the AUR that's why I use yay here)
            >sudo bootctl install
            >edit /etc/kernel/cmdline to add your boot parameters, like mitigations=off, nvidia_drm.modeset=1, etc
            >edit /etc/dracut.conf.d/01-artix.conf if you need to change modules, compression, etc
            >sudo reinstall-kernels
            >profit

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            im not the openrc anon
            so forgive me if im moronic
            to use systemd-boot would you also have to use dinit?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no, it'll work on any init system. it's a bootloader so it doesn't depend on which init system you use at all, those 2 things are separate
            gentoo can use systemd-boot for example but it doesn't support dinit, only systemd and openrc officially I think

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >https://github.com/Demelza/nosystemd-boot-artix/
            this is cool
            you should put it on the AUR
            lots of shit for artix/other no-systemd arch distros just sits on there
            like this for example https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/artix-pipewire-loader

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I should one day kek. I'll need to check how to actually do that when I have some time on my hands
            also it's like 95% identical to the official Arch PKGBUILD for systemd, I just made it only package the files needed for systemd-boot. there was an old AUR package that did that but it was removed a while ago (that one also used a patch from gentoo iirc, mine doesn't)

            >>xfce (will stay on X11)
            GPU
            wayland + amd and nvidia + x11 are the way

            I probably would still use X11 if I had an AMD GPU. I'm not opposed to wayland, I just want it to be more mature before I actually use it

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            idk. I've written OpenRC runlevels and services and it fixes every single gripe I had with sysvinit. I don't see a good reason to use anything else.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah I never said it's bad, just that I never used it myself so I can't really judge if it's good or not. gentoo uses it tho so it can't be that bad

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>xfce (will stay on X11)
            GPU
            wayland + amd and nvidia + x11 are the way

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      poettering cuck

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah, I will. I'm fine with using X but Wayland has security benefits that can't be overlooked. X is still fricking awesome '_tho_'

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will use the panel with labwc. Waybar is awkward and still hasn't a taskbar which auto-sizes and doesn't push other elements out of the way. Way bar my ass.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LabWC won

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Xorg is being deprecated more and more
    Good, but it would've been better if it had been deprecated ten years ago, when there wouldn't have been any replacement at all.

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