>yeah bro life is a meaningless empty black void with no purpose but you can like give it purpose if youre good at music or painting or somethin...

>yeah bro life is a meaningless empty black void with no purpose but you can like give it purpose if you’re good at music or painting or something
I haven’t read Nietzsche, but this isn’t an accurate summation of his philosophy, is it? I see this screenshot a lot and it turns me off him

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >yeah bro life is a meaningless empty black void with no purpose but you can like give it purpose if you’re good at music or painting or something
    This is not even a caricature of his position. This summation just has nothing to do with his philosophy at all.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well it’s a greentext of a greentext. Is the one in the pic accurate or no?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The part about the homosexual teenagers is true but his main goal was not "saving us from nihilism" but opening the way for a renewed era of the unfolding of will. He primarily wants us to radically affirm life and overcoming slave morality / christianity (nihilism light) and the condition of the last man (full on nihilism) is only a moderatly big part of his project.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What is meant by “radically affirming life”? It sounds a bit like hedonism

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nietzsche thinks of hedonism as degenerate because it doesn't embrace pain, you have to look for challenges and live dangerously.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly

            What is meant by “radically affirming life”? It sounds a bit like hedonism

            >It sounds a bit like hedonism
            No, Nietzsche's amor fati is as far away from hedonism or "live, laugh, love" bullshit as you can get. Nietzsche is coming from a rationally masculine angle:

            >Examine the lives of the best and more fruitful men and peoples, and ask yourselves whether a tree, if it is to grow proudly into the sky, can do without bad weather and storms: whether unkindness and opposition from without, whether some sort of hatred, envy, obstinacy, mistrust, severity, greed and violence do not belong to the favouring circumstances without which a great increase even in virtue is hardly possible. The poison which destroys the weaker nature strengthens the stronger – and he does not call it poison, either.

            Nietzsche's amor fati means looking at all your past suffering and embracing it as a necessary part of your existence, and pain as a necessary part of growth. Combined with his eternal recurrence, it means having the courage to affirm this life without any copes about this or that part of it. Everything, including pain, is part of a beautiful whole.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Examine the lives of the best and more fruitful men and peoples
            And how does one determine which of these people are the best and most fruitful? Don't expect Nietzsche to give you a "rationally masculine" answer or whatever

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And how does one determine which of these people are the best and most fruitful?
            You look at their actions. This was a simple matter in the pre-industrial era. It was noticeable immediately. Your question is only really valid in the neoliberal hellscape we now find ourselves in.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What is meant by “radically affirming life”?
            It means embracing the fact that man is a mess of competing drives, impulses, and the perennial probably innate want to be destroyed and to see everything good end. Overcoming this means overcoming nihilism and setting our eyes on a new goal, which in Nietzsche's view is the birth of a superior Dionysian man, more confident, and better able to navigate the tragedies and pains of life. To this end, Nietzsche belies in the necessity of hierarchy, order of rank and the 'pathos of distance' inherent to aristocratic societies. Only such cultures are capable of producing higher types of men. For a better explanation, read Chapter 9 of Beyond Good and Evil.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What is meant by “radically affirming life”? It sounds a bit like hedonism

      Don't listen to Neecheecucks on this board. This is only thing you need to know about
      >"To the student who wanted to know where I stood with regard to the author of Zarathustra, I replied that I had long since stopped reading him. Why? 'I find him too naive....'
      >I hold his enthusiasms, his fervors against him. He demolished so many idols only to replace them with others: a false iconoclast, with adolescent aspects and a certain virginity, a certain innocence inherent in his solitary's career. He observed men only from a distance. Had he come closer, he could have neither conceived nor promulgated the superman, that preposterous, laughable, even grotesque chimera, a crotchet which could occur only to a mind without time to age, to know the long serene disgust of detachment. "

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's so over, we're all born under a yew tree. Dead from the womb

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a crotchet which could occur only to a mind without time to age, to know the long serene disgust of detachment. "
        Can anyone explain this part?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The subhuman anti-human communist who wrote that is saying building things is childish. We should all have a nice day to be cool and "mature" like him.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nietzsche was a contrarian, Everything he said he turned against it in the next page, He never agreed fully on what he said, Even he hates himself. His books are full of critique of other philosophers instead of presenting some functional/pragmatic ideas about the world, That's what i like about other philosophers because they present Ideas instead of rambling about Kant and other philosophers.

    I think he didn't say that we should give it a meaning, That's absurdity, Nietzsche was a nhilist but he wasn't a pessimist, His philosophy consisted of fighting the Apolonian society which looks for abolishing the "art, music ...etc", He literally hated society just because and that's all.

    Emil Cioran is a better alternative to his shitty philosophy

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wagner is the realisation of Nietzche's ideals, which is funny because he comes to the total opposite of Nietzsche's "philosophy"

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean Nietzsche runs from himself, He literally hates himself and tries to seclude himself out of the society in order to not conform to it only to be one of them

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >His books are full of critique of other philosophers
      No? His critiques mostly amount to calling people whom he hasn't read stupid.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nietzsche was a philologist more than a philosopher and he was primarily concerned with how the meanings of things like "morality", "good", and "heroism" had changed over time. he advocated for a return to the more antiquated understanding of morality which he termed "master morality" as opposed to "slave morality". reading the homeric epics should give you a good idea of what master morality is, while "slave morality" is any ideology in which the highest goods are things like kindness, mercy, charity, compassion etc etc. not that he regarded these things as inherently bad, only that they were lesser virtues.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Could you elaborate further? Which book is this from?
      I've felt the same way about those lower virtues and I am very interested in learning more.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it’s accurate, more or less. The one thing it seems to be missing is that he also wants you to abandon the dogmas that orient you and just subordinate everything to an aesthetic life. Basically, he wants you to think it’s okay to live an immoral life, as long as it’s a beautiful life. It sounds sort of moronic but I think what he really wanted people to do is LARP as Greeks, or what he imagined the Greeks were. Of course, we can’t really do that and so the whole thing is sort of ridiculous in the end.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He wants you
      But in contrast he also wants you to not take his ideas seriously and call yourself a Nietzschean much like israelites he hates people below him

      >He wants you
      It's you who needs to have your own original idea in life and to not follow a fricking deceased moron lmao

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I haven’t read Nietzsche
    I know.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People like you read Nietzsche without even understanding the essential ideas

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What clued you in? The part where OP says “I haven’t read Nietzsche”?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The nihilism thing is a pejorative from dishonest christcucks who think denying their worldview means denying meaning as a whole.
    Nothing about Nietzsche is nihilist.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The pic isn't accurate. Diagnosing and providing an antidote to nihilism is part of his work, but not the whole thing. He was an aphoristic philosopher who covered an extremely broad range of topics, including criticizing other philosophers, ontology, epistemology, aesthetics, ethics, politics, psychology, and more.

    It's not a "pursuit of meaning" for him, either; it's more like this: meaning is created by the will to power, and one's meaning is a reflection of the quantum of power one is. You can increase what quantum of power you are, but it involves encountering and surviving pain to do so.

    He didn't "write himself into a nervous breakdown," either. He likely suffered from a brain tumor, like his father. It was a physical illness. His writings never go off the wall besides for the one day of his mental collapse, and even then, the letters he wrote are comprehensible.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't Wagner or his other friends intervene?
    Find him a good nice Christian girl to marry, help him convert, give him a nice job... And then, he would move away from his edgy stuff and not have a nervous breakdown.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Check out Rick Roderick's lectures on Nietzche. Easier than reading it all yourself. Then read Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

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    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >30 mins in
      >all he's said is that Nietzsche was a chudcel virgin loser who lived in his mother's basement and then went crazy

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    holy frick you are such a fricking moron
    he has like 10 books most are like 200 pages they are short
    just fricking read it you homosexual fricking moron, don't rely on greentexts and shit on biz
    or dont read it you fricking moronic fricking loser, stop reading, people like you should not be allowed to read or talk about books you are such an incredible fricking homosexual, JUST READ IT!

    https://www.thinkingtogether.org/120/percy.pdf

    read this you are literally a braindead fricking zog bot moron, if you need things to be processed for you, if you need

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moronic piece you linked. Stopped after the 3rd paragraph.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your picrel simply infers NIHILISM from RELATIVISM, a common “slippery slope” argument Nietzsche’s opponents like to follow. Nietzsche isn’t a nihilist in that he believes in the productive capacities of a being overmastered by sedimented value systems. He’s a relativist in that he ascribes to historically determined subjectivity the power to generate, displace, and regenerate value systems, rather than ranking them metaphysically. Metaphysicians call him a nihilist because he subjects metaphysics to a critique of its essential provincialism, which to a metaphysician is a proposition indistinguishable from the one that says Being can’t be theorized.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I haven’t read Neitzche, but going by the podcasts and YouTube videos I’ve seen he sounds like a Victorian boomer who found out the universe is deterministic and coped by hating everything saying nothing matters and wanting to go back antiquity.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I haven’t read Neitzche, but going by the podcasts and YouTube videos
      kek, never change IQfy

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Victorian boomer who found out the universe is deterministic
      Not really. It's more like he intuited that most of certainties and moral feelings weren't actually predicated on anything transcendently "real," rather in brute matter, physiology and generations of breeding and self domestication. It's a difficult thing to internalize, and frankly most of the 20th century can be understood in my opinion as a reaction to this and a "doubling down" on moral feeling. The scientific materialism of Bolshevism for instance was simply a smokescreen for what was instead the total indulgence of "moral feeling" to the expense of essentially everything. There was and is nothing scientific about Marxism, it's historical theories are crackpot at best. You may not think this is important, but the inability to internalize these realities is at the heart of the last 2 centuries of strife in the Western world.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        most of our*

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Essentially do what you want. The whole meaningless thing is mostly to sell you on the fact that you are free to do what you want.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He called himself a psychologist and psychology built on him while philosophy fell apart.
    In the future a super AI reconstructs Earth virtually as it was in 2024 including you in your entirety.
    Whether you're experiencing that reconstruction or the original is irrelevant which means the relevant parts are not in the instances themselves, "you" or the will are outside space and time.
    Therefore you have a soul and Plato and Jesus were right about everything except the parts they were wrong about.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >In the future a super AI reconstructs Earth virtually as it was in 2024 including you in your entirety.
      Whether you're experiencing that reconstruction or the original is irrelevant which means the relevant parts are not in the instances themselves, "you" or the will are outside space and time
      Lots of speculation there lmao. Why do you presume a digital reconstruction of a human brain would have anything approaching sense perception or subjective 'selfhood'

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why do you presume
        It's a way to put the thought experiment into a more familiar context from being used so much in scifi.
        We can try to avoid these kinds of assumptions and imagine endless identical worlds playing out one after the other. "You" perceive it all as one life, if there's an alternative I would like to hear it.
        But I would also defend the assumption. Just like the best practice and simplest model is to assume you have qualia the same applies to anything presenting the appearance of having a will including reconstructions of brains and even corporations.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Read Nietzsche and find out.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I haven’t read Nietzsche
    Then why are you talking about Nietzsche?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Asking, not talking. It’s normal to ask questions about things you don’t know about

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How about you fricking read him instead of asking people to tell you what to think about him? Fricking zoomers.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's about God being dead and people feeling they have nothing to live for in the midst of this spiritual void so you yourself should become God and shape the world as you want it to be

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only book that accurately displays Neechee's ideal state is Voyage to Arcturus with the inhabitants of Ifdawn and it just sounds like a pipe-dream only capablle of existing in fictional worlds like Tormance.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mental masturbation about mastering your dyonisian energies or some bullshit, you can hear people talking about him all day but once you get down to the bare bones of what he wants to say he is straight up insane. He was just a poor man and a victim of circumstance

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Nietzsche cannot be called a genius, then "genius" is a word without meaning.

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