you guys made me lose my faith

I fricking hate you guys, I have nothing now. I have spent my entire life as a practicing Christian, and am finally realizing it was all lie.

what the frick is even the point anymore?

when did you lose your faith, IQfy? and what philosophy did you go to next? I feel so lost rn

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Give islam or judaism a chance.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >islam
      Even worse and more moronic than Scientology.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          OP here

          okay, red pill me on Islam. Why should I be muslim?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well you see, it's much harder to lose your faith in Islam, because it would mean a literal death sentence.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            There's a true prophecy in the Quran and its textual authenticity is much harder to attack than the Bible.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It is easier to attack, because the bible doesn't claim of itself to be from God word for word. The Quran does and there are six readings of the Quran invalidating the claim of immaculate preservation.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The readings of the Quran are all established as being prophetic historically, theres even in english many resources on this like Mustafa Azamis book

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why would God send down six slightly different versions of the same book?

            >God works in mysterious ways.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            .

            Abdullah ibn Mas’ud reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The Quran was revealed in seven modes. Each verse among them has an outward and an inward, and each limit has a horizon.”

            Abu Ja’far said, “We contemplated this tradition and the best of possible interpretations to come is that there is the outward of it, the meaning of which is obvious, and the inward of it, the meaning of which is subtle. This shows that people must seek its inward meanings just as they seek its outward meanings.”

            Source: Sharḥ Mushkil al-Āthār 3095

            Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Arna’ut

            Abu Juhaym reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The Quran is recited in seven ways. Do not argue over the Quran, for arguing over the Quran is an act of unbelief.”

            Source: Musnad Aḥmad 17199

            Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Suyuti

            Ubayy ibn Ka’b reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, was met by Gabriel and he said, “O Gabriel, I have been sent to an unlettered nation, among them are the disabled, the elderly, young boys and girls, and men who have never read a book.” Gabriel said, “O Muhammad, the Quran has been revealed in seven readings.”

            Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2944

            Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Tirmidhi

            Abdullah ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Gabriel, upon him be peace, taught me to recite the Quran in one reading and I requested another. I continued to ask for more until he stopped at seven readings.”

            Ibn Shihab said, “It reached me that these seven readings are united in the matter. There is no difference in what they allow and forbid.”

            Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 4705, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 819

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            So what's the answer? Why did God reveal seven versions of the one perfect book?

            >The world waited for these couple of changed pronouns, bro. It was important.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why would God send down six slightly different versions of the same book?
            He didn't. The difference is in the pronunciation of certain words depending on the dialect as the written version didn't record this, until the compilations. So depending on your dialect people could have pronounced a certain verse as He's the Lord of the Worlds, or He's the Master of the universe (not an actual verse, just an example to illustrate the point). The meaning remains the same, but it sounds different. Later ruler decided they should focus on one pronunciation, and everyone should follow, so that when you're reciting it doesn't sound different.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Holy Quran
            >true eternal word of God, which was created before the universe itself
            >privately revealed to Mohammed
            >talks about how Mohammed is allowed to have more wives than other people

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It is Allahs religion by which guides the people to light, ill put some resources below besides the quran, i suggest just reading the first chapters of the quran or any translation

            Allah said what means

            Say, "This is my way; I invite to Allāh with insight, I and those who follow me. And exalted is Allāh; and I am not of those who associate others with Him."

            Certainly did Allah confer [great] favor upon the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from themselves, reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom, although they had been before in manifest error.

            Today, I have perfected your religion for you, and have completed My blessing upon you, and chosen Islam as Dīn (religion and a way of life) for you. But whoever is compelled by extreme hunger, having no inclination towards sin, then Allah is Most-Forgiving, Very-Merciful.

            https://darpdfs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/The-Sealed-Nectar-Biography-of-the-Noble-Prophet-ﷺ-Safiur-Rahman-Al-Mubarakpuri-High-Quality.pdf

            https://darpdfs.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/The-Three-Fundamental-Principles-Muhammad-bin-Abdil-Wahhaab.pdf

            https://adviceforparadise.com/media/books/kitab-at-tawhid.pdf

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, I will read the first few chapters of the Quran, just for you. But again, I am not following a pedophile Arab, but I will pray before reading it, and see if something happens. I will come in with a true genuine open mind, with humility to learn.

            im gonna leave this thread and go outside for a bit and clear my mind. I will come back later and reply to people.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            May Allah guide you anon, keep a clear head and save the resources, i hope we make it

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Brainlet simian. There is quite literally no faster way to regress a group of people than to adopt Islam.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >getting stalked > getting killed
          Mohammad is the L. Ron Hubbard of Ancient Arabia, but without any of the literary talent.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    you can still pretend to have faith, one day you'll convince yourself you actually do

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you for admitting faith is a delusion.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I have spent my entire life as a practicing Christian, and am finally realizing it was all lie.
    I went through this when I was 12. You must be a slow kid, anon.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, im 23 lmfao. I still go to church, but my faith is completely destroyed. I know too much

      Give islam or judaism a chance.

      im not arabic, or israeli. and the israeliness of christianity was one of many factors of what made me lose faith. Im literally just reading stories of israeli ancestors(assuming it's all real)
      Muhammed was also literally a pedophile lol, why would anyone want to follow him?

      you can still pretend to have faith, one day you'll convince yourself you actually do

      maybe. I might still keep going, I haven't missed a mass in quite a long time.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >im not arabic, or israeli. and the israeliness of christianity was one of many factors of what made me lose faith
        In other words, you want a religion that asks little of you.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          This lmao

          I think it's so fascinating how people approach religions as they approach a supermarket or a store. They think it's supposed to be a market where you buy a lot of products you enjoy lol

          If you want something that pleases you, go buy a videogame, or a TV or whatever the hell you want to spend some time with. Religion is not that way at all

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Living a religion has many, many, many ups and positive sides to it. Maybe you'll meet some very nice people and become friends with them. Maybe you'll meet someone who will become your lifetime partner. Maybe you'll discover books which you never imagined that you'll love so, so much and bring you so much happiness and peace.

            It's indescribable how God touches our hearts during Mass sometimes. It's so relieving to come out of the confessionary with the certainty that your sins have been forgiven. It's heartwarming to meditate and contemplate on divine truths.

            But all that has a price. Pay the price.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Who says you must be arab?
        Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Who says you must be Arab?
          You can't even read the Quran, unless you speak Arabic. So realistically you have to be.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The prophet sent letters to nonarabs calling them to islam, theyd translate it, the prophet commanded Zayd to learn hebrew, to translate the Quran, and so on, the Quran is Gods books, translating is no problem, people use translators always for mundane things, sonit is more important to translate Gods book

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >cant pray without arabic
          >cant read quran without arabic, and even then you need extra tafseer to understand the quran ehich is supposed to be clear on its own
          >have to change your name to an arabic one
          >have to dress like an arab
          >have to groom facial hair like an arab
          cringe
          >inb4 you dont have to do some of these
          even then other muzzies will seethe if i dont, so theres no mental clarity

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >im not arabic, or israeli. and the israeliness of christianity was one of many factors of what made me lose faith. Im literally just reading stories of israeli ancestors(assuming it's all real)
        The Hebrews were and are white. Their modern descendants are just the ones who hated Jesus, whereas the ones who loved Jesus blended into Greek and Syrian communities.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't throw out the good parts of Christianity with the bad ones. Even as a metaphor it's amazing. You can still love God (the cause behind the existence of the universe and of yourself) and love your neighbor without believing in the afterlife. In fact it only makes your love more sincere when you don't expect a reward.
    Search for atheist role models. This board is probably not the place for that. Do your own research, we don't know what will resonate with you.
    Look into philosophy of consciousness.
    Look into modern philosophy of ethics.
    Look into meditation.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Heaven isn't a reward, it's the default destiny of man, good deeds aren't done for the reward, it's supposed to be the default of man before the fall. It's expected of you, you aren't being rewarded for it. You aren't punished for committing evil either, it's just that evil cannot abide with good. It's literally impossible for you to abide in heaven (with God) if your soul is tarnished. A lie cannot exist with Truth itself. Your soul is eternal whether you like it or not, your cowardice will not save you.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        You start with denying rewards and punishments, but end with
        >your cowardice will not save you
        If there's no reward and no punishment then there's nothing to be saved from. Sounds like you still see the afterlife in terms of reward and punishment despite professing otherwise. It's just sophistry.

        >It's literally impossible for you to abide in heaven (with God) if your soul is tarnished.
        But it isn't impossible for God to untarnish my soul even after death. So if God refuses to do that, then it's punishment.

  5. 5 months ago
    Dirk

    >pictured: an effeminate Jesus from a modern catholic "sacred heart" devotion
    They went out from us, but they were not of us

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christ Victorious, Come to bring balance to the thread.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >uh guys what are you doing, jesus is supposed to be like the emperor of mankind from wh40k!
      >slap some flames and shit in the picture, that will make jesus look more BADASS!

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I dont understand how one can lose faith. How have you gone this long with your faith without having any proof to the validity of the Gospel? Something tells me you're either larping or were always lukewarm of faith.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You didn't really believe.
      Clockwork. Thing is you don't have proof, either. Just the thought that you have it.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're right, I dont have proof. But I know it's true.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      well, I believed many of the lies about the validity of the gospels, and I defended those lies. The Gospels are anonymous, and the we can't even agree on what manuscripts are correct or not cause they all say different things.

      and I can assure you I am not larping. really made this thread to see what they did after they lost their faith in Christianity. I do still believe in God, or a creator(I think) but im starting to think maybe he doesn't actually interact with our world. I believe this is called deism, and it's very black pilling to believe and, I want to believe there is a God who loves me, but I also think things just... happen? good things happen, bad things happen, but im not sure if there's a God listening when I pray. rarely have I ever felt heard, and I have never heard a response from God despite years of asking what his will is for me. I always hear stories of people saying God spoke to them, and they just knew what to do for the rest of their lives, etc. but this has never happened for me

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Read Richard Rohr, his version of Catholicism may be more agreeable to you
        He's extremely unorthodox but Pope Francis read his book and told him to keep doing what he's doing, so he's a bona fide catholic (tradlarpers will deny this)

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Most of the textual variants don't alter the meaning, those that do are very minor. Paul's epistles are genuine as well.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Paul is the most non-controversially genuine part of the New Testament, and simultaneously the one with the least connection to historical Jesus.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >well, I believed many of the lies about the validity of the gospels, and I defended those lies. The Gospels are anonymous, and the we can't even agree on what manuscripts are correct or not cause they all say different things.
        You're clearly very ignorant to none of your fault, you read some surface level critical stuff and didn't bother to check any of it or go deeper. Were you raised fundamentalist YEC to think the KJV Bible dropped out of heaven?
        Here's a video showing the gospels weren't anonymous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7s22DR9gaI. You can find plenty of resources for why textual criticism isn't a problem for Christianity at all.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP, don’t feel lost. You and I are alike. I grew up in a southern Baptist household and religious school which emphasized Christianity and Christ in everything.

    Even as a youngster, I was always skeptical of Christianity and religion as a whole. I spent years searching for answers to my skepticism, in books and on the Internet; I argued back and forth on IQfy from both a Christian’s perspective and an atheist’s perspective. I tried to erase my skepticism; I used blind devotion, covering up all flaws in the Bible without any rational explanation. But, in my mind, nothing quite made sense; the dots really never connected, and at the end of the day, I came to the realization that they’d never connect. The mind truly is more powerful than blind devotion. The truth always wiggles to the forefront, no matter how badly you try to bury it.

    Life to me became renewed. I viewed all life as precious. If all life is the result of good luck on a biological and cosmic scale, without the interference of a divine creature, I wouldn’t spend a second wasting my brief time to experience life. For a time I became a vegetarian even. I’d make sure to never kill a living creature. I read so much more now. Never have I been more interested in exploring so many philosophical questions or seeing so many foreign cultures without a hint of prejudice. Now, instead of disarming the latest scientific claim as evil working against my faith, I follow the progress of science, hoping for the best. Christianity really was holding my mind back. Use this as an opportunity.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      wow, yeah. I really appreciate this response. you've nailed it here, man. It's true, the dots just dont connect. I wished I could have blind faith, like many of the people I see at my parish. Many great people, but none of it makes sense, man. I could go into detail in all of it, but I dont really see the point. I have read the entire bible several times, and I have studied the Gospels, was involved in my church, etc. Now it just feels like a lie. I also refuse to take the eucharist because of this. I receive a blessing sometimes, but normally I just stay seated.

      I feel you. I was a devout Roman Catholic, but I became skeptical at around 14 years of age. To be honest, I am still looking for answers and meaning.

      But it's not all misery. I have found solace and inspiration in philosophy. And the best part?

      Nobody's going to burn you for having different opinions. 🙂

      good to hear it from a fellow catholic. feelsbadman

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      cringiest post itt

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Life to me became renewed. I viewed all life as precious. If all life is the result of good luck on a biological and cosmic scale, without the interference of a divine creature, I wouldn’t spend a second wasting my brief time to experience life.
      Why?
      >For a time I became a vegetarian even.
      Why? You go against the natural order.
      >I’d make sure to never kill a living creature.
      Why? You go against the natural order.
      >I read so much more now. Never have I been more interested in exploring so many philosophical questions or seeing so many foreign cultures without a hint of prejudice.
      Why? Define prejudice.
      >Now, instead of disarming the latest scientific claim as evil working against my faith, I follow the progress of science, hoping for the best.
      Why? Define the progress of science.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel you. I was a devout Roman Catholic, but I became skeptical at around 14 years of age. To be honest, I am still looking for answers and meaning.

    But it's not all misery. I have found solace and inspiration in philosophy. And the best part?

    Nobody's going to burn you for having different opinions. 🙂

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Nobody's going to burn you for having different opinions
      Different opinions will inevitably lead to clashes anywhere you go. It's just a normal part of adult life, you should know that by now

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Even if we had the original signed epistles from St. Paul(we dont)--I still wouldn't believe. Do you really believe in the road to Damascus story? What even gives him any right to dictate Christ' message? He was the apostle to the gentile... or so he says. Who is to say his Christianity was even correct, and who is to say Christ was really God incarnated?
        do you actually, in your bones believe that? I gaslighted myself into it for a long time, and did so much research to try and validate it, but I always knew in my bones it was a lie.

        There's a true prophecy in the Quran and its textual authenticity is much harder to attack than the Bible.

        Actually that is incorrect. It may be more authentic than the Bible, sure, but there's still differing opinions on which Quran is the correct Quran.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >do you actually, in your bones believe that?
          Yes, I do. That's why it's called faith

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Pauline letters predating the Gospels state the divinity of Christ
          >Acts supports Paul
          >Luke and Acts were written by the same author (so the Gospel authors supported Paul)
          The logic is pretty sound, seems like you just don't want to believe so you gaslit yourself out of it.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >seems like you just don't want to believe so you gaslit yourself out of it
            NTA. Muslims love to slander Paul in their apologetics. It's very easy to fall for them if to you're not familiar with their tricks. Pretty much all of Muslim apologists is slight of hand and lies by omission like this.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I wonder how much of it has to do with the fact that Paul's epistles are placed after the Gospels in the NT canon, certainly for the sake of making the NT into a more narratively-coherent work but also indirectly making Paul look like more of some kind of spurious later addition than he really is.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not done for the sake of the narrative, it's done because Christians literally believe that the gospels were written first and by the actual apostles whose names they bear

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why should we believe Paul? he obviously was not from the disciples nor narrates from them, all we know is that he split away from them and hated them

            http://www.voiceofjesus.org/paulvsjesus.html

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Luke trusts Paul and I trust Luke more than some random guy's 2005 HTML blog.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            How donyou know by certainty Luke wrote that, and is Luke truthful, and why should we trust Lukes witness?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >why should we trust the Gospels
            That's just where it stops being a textual discussion and just becomes a matter of faith bro.

            It started with

            Even if we had the original signed epistles from St. Paul(we dont)--I still wouldn't believe. Do you really believe in the road to Damascus story? What even gives him any right to dictate Christ' message? He was the apostle to the gentile... or so he says. Who is to say his Christianity was even correct, and who is to say Christ was really God incarnated?
            do you actually, in your bones believe that? I gaslighted myself into it for a long time, and did so much research to try and validate it, but I always knew in my bones it was a lie.
            [...]
            Actually that is incorrect. It may be more authentic than the Bible, sure, but there's still differing opinions on which Quran is the correct Quran.

            saying he lost his faith because of textual reasons and I made a case for the textual argument not being an obstacle for him just not having faith generally.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            im back,

            the reliability of the New Testament, or the Bible as a whole is the least of the issues I have. There's many reasons I could go into about the faith and why it doesn't make sense, because it doesn't make sense and any intellectually honest Christian has to admit there is some mental gymnastics regarding the faith. The Trinity, Jesus' divinity, and how Jesus has two wills and two natures, etc.
            the fact that why does God need to kill God, who is himself, but at the same time not himself cause its the son, but he is also one with the father, despite having two different wills, no wait, thats Jesus' human will and not his divine will, etc. etc. just to forgive the sin of humanity.

            you can explain it however you want, but being entirely honest, it does take at least some mental gymnastics to reconcile all this. and this is only one of the several problems I have with the faith btw, I can go on forever about this one topic, and many others. But none of that matters, what really matters, and this is the question I finally asked myself and it was this: "if this is truly God, and he wants his people to worship him, why the hell would he make it so confusing?" and ik what youre gonna say "well we can't ever truly understand God", and thats a cop out. the fact is, God is not a God of confusion, why the hell are there 30,000 denominations? Pre New Testament, the israeli faith *was* fairly simple. You had laws given by Moses to your ancestors, and you followed them to be rewarded a long and prosperous life. but the New Testament is full of confusion trying to link itself to the old

            Christianity on the surface is a very, very beautiful lie. I get it, it used to bring me to tears when I thought about Jesus' passion. The scourging, the beatings, mocking, all of it. How much he loved us to go through this for us, but when you go into trying to understand this very scandalous act from God..... it is nothing but confusion. And this is the crux of the faith.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            What is truth?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            excuse my Grammar, btw

            May Allah guide you anon, keep a clear head and save the resources, i hope we make it

            about to start reading.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nice, if you find yourself free some time, watch this, because the Quran is read and heard, it is a shorter chapter

            ?feature=shared

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Pre New Testament, the israeli faith *was* fairly simple. You had laws given by Moses to your ancestors, and you followed them to be rewarded a long and prosperous life.
            Around the time of Christ there was massive confusion and controversy in the israeli world with multiple competing sects (Pharisee, Sadducee, Essenes, anti-roman nationalists like the zealots, Samaritans) which had serious disagreements on the canon of scripture, eschatology, the afterlife, the implementation of the law.
            >God is not a God of confusion, why the hell are there 30,000 denominations?
            For the first 1500 years of Christendome even the disparate sects of the West, East, and Orient were pretty unanimous on the fundamentals. The Schisms were mostly political, and still are. Even after the reformation, the endless fractal of schism was pretty much isolated to the anglo world and it's colonies.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't see things being complicated as some sort of refutation of them. Quantum mechanics and classical mechanics contradict each other and yet no one doubts science exists.

            I think God becoming human to redeem humanity is an act of empowering humanity. It's not just God passively doing some shit at that point but an actual human in Jesus fully being freed from the effects of sin and opening the path of it up to other humans. That's not a theological statement but just something that makes the story of Jesus so powerful.

            >Pre New Testament, the israeli faith *was* fairly simple.
            That's not taking into account the divisions between the Pharisees and the Sadduccees and the Essenes, and other groups like the Samaritans and the Mandaeans doing their own thing all together while still being in part of the israeli religious milieu. Religious complexity wasn't some arbitrary post-Jesus phenomenon.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You forgot israeli ritual sacrifice for the expiation of sins

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            your brain on abandonment of cognitive critical skills

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            how can I get rid of him?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why would you want to?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            cause I want the peace of Jesus in my life, but I can't understand him.

            I can't understand this trinity, I can't understand why God had to kill God to reconcile to God our sins, I can't understand how the law is irrelevant and theres no binding rules to Christianity(just have faith bro love God((what God? You, Jesus?)) and your neighbor). I can't understand how God can become a man and be dependent on anyone. Mary had to nurse God? she had teach God how to talk, and take his first steps? none of this makes sense.
            honestly, I dont even know how to pray anymore. Do I pray to the Father in the name of Jesus, or can I only pray to Jesus? can I pray to the holy spirit and ignore the father and the son? and how is this not 3 Gods I am calling upon?

            its been causing me a major crisis the last 8 months or so when I have began going deeper into my faith and wanting to learn more. The more research I do, the more confused I become. I call upon the name of Jesus, and I hear nothing. Im thinking maybe I will just go down the agnostic and reading philosophy route to perhaps obtain some peace in this life.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

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            and I know many will hate this, but I have also tried calling upon our blessed Mother, and have prayed the rosary almost daily for help, but again it feels fake now. Nothing feels real, I read the Bible and I dont see the love anymore--I just come in trying to read the preconceived notions I already have about theology and hoping it confirms them--find problematic verses and passages, etc.

            I think it really comes down to what I said yesterday--if this was real, then why would God make it so confusing? If he wanted us to worship him, even a fricking moron would be able to understand all of this. But christianity has so many mental gymnastics and you basically have to be a top tier theology scholar to have any sort grasp at the trinity, and how any of this makes sense.

            If there is a God, and he is just and loves me, he will reveal himself to me and I will believe. Until then, I have to stop stressing and get my life back together. Do good, and help others, focus own my life, and practice virtue.

            I accept any and all prayers, God bless.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you basically have to be a top tier theology scholar to have any sort grasp at the trinity, and how any of this makes sense
            You literally only have to go to Church one hour a week and do what they say

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

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            and I know many will hate this, but I have also tried calling upon our blessed Mother, and have prayed the rosary almost daily for help, but again it feels fake now. Nothing feels real, I read the Bible and I dont see the love anymore--I just come in trying to read the preconceived notions I already have about theology and hoping it confirms them--find problematic verses and passages, etc.

            I think it really comes down to what I said yesterday--if this was real, then why would God make it so confusing? If he wanted us to worship him, even a fricking moron would be able to understand all of this. But christianity has so many mental gymnastics and you basically have to be a top tier theology scholar to have any sort grasp at the trinity, and how any of this makes sense.

            If there is a God, and he is just and loves me, he will reveal himself to me and I will believe. Until then, I have to stop stressing and get my life back together. Do good, and help others, focus own my life, and practice virtue.

            I accept any and all prayers, God bless.

            You are freaking out over nothing. The world will not end if you stop believing. There are literally billions of people in the world who don't believe in Christianity.

            Look at Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism. All complex, ancient systems that give profound meaning to millions of people. Many of those people feel the way you do, but about their own religion, while they couldn't care less about Christianity and you couldn't care less about their faith.

            Some people were born in a Christian country and raised Christian. Others were born in a Buddhist country and raised Buddhist. They all have minds just like you do. The beliefs and doubts of those people are just as valid as yours. At some point you need to drop the self-centered perspective where your childhood culture has a special privilege. This is just a part of growing up.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            .
            .
            .
            and I know many will hate this, but I have also tried calling upon our blessed Mother, and have prayed the rosary almost daily for help, but again it feels fake now. Nothing feels real, I read the Bible and I dont see the love anymore--I just come in trying to read the preconceived notions I already have about theology and hoping it confirms them--find problematic verses and passages, etc.

            I think it really comes down to what I said yesterday--if this was real, then why would God make it so confusing? If he wanted us to worship him, even a fricking moron would be able to understand all of this. But christianity has so many mental gymnastics and you basically have to be a top tier theology scholar to have any sort grasp at the trinity, and how any of this makes sense.

            If there is a God, and he is just and loves me, he will reveal himself to me and I will believe. Until then, I have to stop stressing and get my life back together. Do good, and help others, focus own my life, and practice virtue.

            I accept any and all prayers, God bless.

            You literally got answers to you questions yesterday in this very thread but you ignored them. You're either concern trolling, or you just don't want to believe while putting on a sanctimonious air like you do.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >is to say his Christianity was even correct
          The other 12 who learned from Christ and with whom Paul talked to make sure he was correct.
          it's literally in Acts.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you considered going outside?

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You were Never a Christian.

    If you truly were, you could NOT loose it. because The Holy Spirit inside you would counsel you, Help you. He is the proof you are saved.
    Maybe you need to ask God to reveal himself to you & ask him to send his Holy Spirit.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have many, many times. More now in these last few months than ever, and I have received nothing. Maybe calvinist are right and im not of Gods elect lmao

      >well, I believed many of the lies about the validity of the gospels, and I defended those lies. The Gospels are anonymous, and the we can't even agree on what manuscripts are correct or not cause they all say different things.
      You're clearly very ignorant to none of your fault, you read some surface level critical stuff and didn't bother to check any of it or go deeper. Were you raised fundamentalist YEC to think the KJV Bible dropped out of heaven?
      Here's a video showing the gospels weren't anonymous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7s22DR9gaI. You can find plenty of resources for why textual criticism isn't a problem for Christianity at all.

      no, was raised catholic. Have always read the RSV or NAB bibles

      >do you actually, in your bones believe that?
      Yes, I do. That's why it's called faith

      is it possible that Paul was lying?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >is it possible that Paul was lying?
        Absolutely impossible

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why did he split with Barnabas and Peter and the people who James sent and call them hypocrites? Do you know the incident of antioch? reading Acts 21, we can see James did not believe the accusations that Paul was preaching away from the law, and paul silently does the ritual one does when accused of apostacy, ironically which is from the law, and Paul himself in corinthians says he once acts like he is under the law, and once he acts like he isnt, to appeal to everyone, this is pure hypocricy while he is callind the disciples of christ hypocrites

          read Incident at antioch

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay read the rest of Acts, satan.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          a human being, lying for his subjective interests?? nah senpai come on you're crazy that's never happened

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >subjective interests

            Like losing the extremely prestigious position of next head of the Sanhedrin (since he studied under Gamaliel, the current chief), being persecuted for the rest of his life, and being murdered for it?

            All arguments against this are some terrible cope about how he wanted to be remembered for posterity or whatever, even though israelites believe lying in regards to God leads straight to hell.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            people seem to forget Paul was one of the most well-studied people in law and theology in Israel.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >no, was raised catholic. Have always read the RSV or NAB bibles
        That's the least important part of my post but whatever. Point is you sound like a fundamentalist who just learned critics and textual variants exist and are now having a meltdown over it. if you hear some criticisms of Christianity and immediately throw your hands in the air and give up without seeking to hear arguments against the critiques it's your problem and not God's. Anyway good playlist on reliability if you actually care: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rml5Cif01g4&list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TW70EEo4e2onJ4lq1QYSzrY

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >no, was raised catholic.
        The mark of the beast. You know you're about to hear some bullshit whenever someone utters this horrid phrase.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >no, was raised catholic. Have always read the RSV or NAB bibles
        Never even heard of the Douay-Rheims? It's the best version of the Bible in English

        https://www.drbo.org/

        You, like me and many others, look like you were a victim of the current state of affairs of the Catholic Church, my friend. I'm sorry for that. But what you don't know yet - apparently - is that there are many people resisting this trend

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >slipper slope
      >no true scotsman

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      no true scotman fallacy
      never fails lol
      the only resort for the troubled believer confronted with the weakness of its own dogma

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's not no true scotsman. If Christianity has a dogma, and someone claims to be Christian but does all of the opposite of what it commands, they are not a Christian.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Study NDEs instead if you want a solid rational and empirical foundation for your spiritual beliefs that is immune to all skeptical arguments.

    NDEs are actually solid proof of life after death, because anyone can have them if they come close to and survive death. And they are so extremely real to those who have them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

    As this NDEr described their NDE:

    >"Now, what heaven looks like? 'OMG' doesn't even describe how beautiful this place is. Heaven is, there are no words. I mean, I could sit here and just not say anything and just cry, and that would be what heaven looks like. There are mountains of beauty, there are things in this realm, you can't even describe how beautiful this place is. There are colors you can't even imagine, there are sounds you can't even create. There are beauties upon this world that you think are beautiful here. Amplify it over there times a billion. There are, it's incredibly beautiful, there's no words to describe how beautiful this place is, it's incredibly gorgeous."

    And importantly, even dogmatic skeptics have this reaction, because the NDE convinces everyone:
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist

    So anyone would be convinced if they had an NDE, we already know this, no one's skepticism is unique.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I second this

      After I lost my faith Catholic faith as well as OP I was a fricking wreck for like a year. Then I just tried to find some type of answer to life, I found a YT talking about afterlife and wahtnot, and they mentioned NDEs. So basically NDEs gave me some hope back into the afterlife and the meaning of life

      So, in case your desperate for some hope, yes this would do good for OP. For me it just sent me into a rabbit hole bruh. I found that not knowing everything makes me feel more in peace than constantly questioning my existence.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

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    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the brain is deprived of oxygen, in conditions of extreme stress, and you undergo a brief trip similar to DMT or LSD before the brain shuts down for good
      >this somehow proves that afterlife exists

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        While technically true, there's still a lot of People who literally experienced out of body experiences in which they could see the hospital room from above. I'm not saying I fully believe in NDEs but doesn't hurt yo have an open mind

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You should put your focus on making money, building and strengthening relationships, getting and staying healthy, and making fun plans.
    Why? Because it’s the closest you’ll come to heaven on earth

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Catholicism is two steps from atheism

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just do good things in your community. Do you need someone to tell you to do good things. Just do good things because it enriches your own life.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get reading the Quran is supposed to do, unless you think it's true that some guy talked to an angel in a cave 1500 years ago

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I read the Quran at the urgings of others as well as many legitimate hadith... just made me into a radicalized Crusader larper really

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      As a muslim, i must say this talking on the internet is a disease, it would be much better for us to leave and reason and to seek guidance

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I haven’t, because I don’t listen to morons on IQfy.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      From whence could you have learned such wisdom?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      A wise man

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Concern trolling

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      exactly
      >uhm help me xian bros i lost my le... faith
      >but islam makes a lot more sense ngl tho fr fr
      awful that anyone would take the shit posted here seriously

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah I read the Quran to give it a chance.

        its moronic, and boring. dont read. bible better

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Quran isthe superior revelation from all aspects

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    May you see the lord again anon, and may the lord Jesus shine his light upon you

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't need a golden shower from some dead rabbi

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hope so, anon. I really do. Please, please, pray for me.

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I feel so lost rn
    Do you care that there's no ganesh? Same thing. An elephant in the sky is no different to a israelite in the sky.

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >come to demoralization and doubt: the board
    >surprised when you become demoralized and doubtful
    Any armour can be peirced as long as you keep shooting it with arrows. Noone can cover up everything even if the perfect armour could in theory. But we do not live in a perfect world.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      All the arguments against Christianity here are dogshit; so I don't think it's demoralizing so much as just exhausting. Like reading 90 IQ youtube comment takes.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        But they aren't. You people still can't even answer the most basic
        >If God exist why bad thing happen
        Without instantly commiting a heresy or denying the supremacy of God. Your religion is a fricking joke that needs no argument against it, who the frick creates a thesis for use against a clown?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >>If God exist why bad thing happen
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaean_theodicy
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustinian_theodicy
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Plantinga%27s_free-will_defense

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >cope
            >cope
            >cope
            Impressive

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            pasting "cope" at concepts you don't get is a very strong argument, yes

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >God created the entire universe and all it's laws but he didn't make evil, therefore making it a force above him
            >the omnipotent being just couldn't see his creation being sinful because he put a fricking evil snake he knew would tempt them right into the garden with the fruit he made easily reachable. This means he is not omniscient.
            >The omnipotent omniscient being that tortured israelites in the desert for 40 years for not believing him actually values your free will. This not only means he isn't omniscient, because your free will and actions are above what he can understand or predict, but that he's specifically going against a value he holds dear when he threatens people with death for disobedience instead of perfectly explaining things to them.
            Like I said, heresy, or denying the supremacy of God.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >letting suffering exist as a form of development is proof evil is above god
            >god not judging humanity before original sin like a pre-crime tyrant is bad
            >punishing evil is anti free will
            Lol

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The argument was that Evil was above God's choice of creation
            Monkey
            >God knowing about the original sin and allowing it to happen is bad yes
            Fricking
            >holding someone's hostage makes none of their choices free
            moron.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            If god exists, why isn't everyone white?

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have a combination of beliefs that help me, Naturalist,
    Aithiest, Secular Humanism. Or NASH.

    Basically promoting human flourishing is good. So you should do the best to help yourself your friends and family and the world at large. Just try to be a decent person and learn from your mistakes without letting those mistakes destroy you. Try to be happy try to not hurt anyone. And find a better death coping mechanism then believing in lies like religion. It will be a tough road. I would suggest just watching a bunch of videos on YouTube about psychology and philosophy until it all clicks. Also, try looking up terms like death acceptance if that is an issue for you.

    Life is what you make of it and is still beautiful without god and I would argue it's even more beautiful. I wish you the best and I am sorry for this hardship. Hopefully you will come through the other side of this being stronger and kinder.

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nice falseflag lmao
    The morons on this shitshow have no argument against religion besides
    >israelite on stick (when israelites hate christianity)
    >if god reel why bad thing happen

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    We did it reddit!

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Reddit-tier atheist talking points and LARPagan memes made me lose my faith
    You never had any to begin with.

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I tried Christianity but never got that pure faith in it. I have my own philosophy and practice meditation.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >never got that pure faith in it.
      Why?

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >least obvious falseflag
    >this still gets 100+ replies

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >idolator
    You were never a Christian

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I lost my faith in Hinduism when I was 15. I do not believe anything supernatural. If it exists, its natural.

    Simple as.

    And, you might have problems with "purpose". YOU DON'T HAVE A DIVINE PURPOSE. Just make your own purpose.

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