atheists would liken your beliefs to the pagan's and belief in Santa, unicorn, flying sphagetti monster, leprechauns and deride you with it but you turn around and ask them if they know those things exists or not and they would tell you that they that don't know lol.
It's like someone talking tough and but when pressed it turns out they are actually a pussy.
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That's because reasonable Atheists don't make hasty, unfalsifiable judgements. Reasonable atheists don't straight up deny a god, they just think that there's no proof for the existence of one so it shouldn't be used for decisions or science.
atheists literally believe there could be an invisible leprechaun in their room though.
their point is that god has almost equal proof to that.
I'm not the one who believes there could be an invisible leprechaun in my room or thor or santa.
you're the one who believes 100% that there's a creator in the heavens. There's a difference between believing and not denying because you literally do not have the evidence to do so, when it doesn't matter whether it's true or not. I don't know whether the room next to me has a dirt stain in it or not, it could or could not, but it doesn't matter to me, just like that there technically is no evidence that there could be an invisible undetectable leprechaun next to me, but it doesn't matter because it influences literally nothing. It's stupid to just flat out deny stuff, and instead better to argue whether it matters or not. God may or may not exist, but to atheists, it doesn't matter whether he does or not and they have no reason to believe so.
>they have no reason to believe so.
I get that but the way you stated your opinions comes off like a statement of a matter of fact.
Sorry if I did so.
Why don't you believe that? Can you prove that there couldn't be a leprechaun in your room?
>Why don't you believe that?
Cause I know they don't exist.
>Can you prove that there couldn't be a leprechaun in your room?
Non-sequitur if it is supposed to be a gotcha.
>Cause I know they don't exist.
How do you know that?
There is no "How I know" cause I'm not appealing to myself for knowledge, it's a moronic question. God made me know.
God made you know that there are no leprechauns? Like he beamed the thought into your head?
Thoughts are not knowledge though.
General revelation and all that. You know, same way you know that nature will be uniform.
How do you distinguish between what has been revealed to you and what you think you know but may be wrong about?
There is no such thing as "things I think I know", I either know or I don't.
Really? You have never been wrong before?
Yes you can be wrong about assumptions and beliefs, not knowledge, moron.
Let's take an example then.
John asks Bill if he knows how many siblings he has. Bill answers yes, John has two siblings. But John says that this is wrong, he actually has three.
Bill thought he knew how many siblings John had, but he was wrong.
How do you know you're not in the same position as Bill with regards to leprechauns?
Well then Bill never knew to begin with as knowledge by definition is something you can't be wrong about as it wouldn't be knowledge otherwise.
So what you really wanted to ask was the moronic question of how I know and this is a roundabout way of putting it which is just hilarious.
Bill thought he knew, but he didn't. That's what I already said in an earlier comment, but you had an issue with that.
So again, how do you determine that you aren't wrong with regards to leprechauns just like Bill was with regards to John's siblings?
I'm mostly going to be repeating myself here but..
>How do you know that you indeed do know?
That's your question right?
Here's how this question is fallacious.
If I asked you do you KNOW that there is an apple in my pocket? It's a Yes or No question I elaborate.
And you answer that you don't know.
Does that make sense?
No it doesn't. It's one question. You either know or you don't.
And knowledge by definition is something you can't be wrong about as I have told you before.
So Bill didn't know. He lied Black person.
But did Bill know that he didn't know?
Yes.
So you don't know how many siblings you have, correct?
> So Bill didn't know. He lied Black person.
So are you lying about leprechauns? If the leprechaun revealed himself to you right now, would that make you a liar? Or would that mean that you didn’t know and were just wrong?
I would love that though, to be revealed as a liar and wrong.
That's the thing you know.
Answer
, please.
See:
I already what you're trying to say, the route and the is basically the answer it eventually leads to.
It's a simple question. Do you know how many siblings you have?
Yes. But I don't feel comfortable being asked personal questions like that.
Ask a different question.
So it's impossible that your mother had a secret child before you that she gave up for adoption, or that she is currently pregnant with another child? How on earth did you determine that?
You did not read did you?
And yes, and for the last time it's cause I know.
hi rajesh
I did read. How did you determine that your father didn't pass out from drinking or medical issues while young and get raped by some woman without knowing it, knocking her up in the process? If you KNOW how many siblings you have, this sort of thing must be IMPOSSIBLE. How did you determine that?
Well there is knowledge by definition and there are somethings you can't know by definition.
For one I wouldn't count them as siblings.
Whatever your point is, it is moot.
>For one I wouldn't count them as siblings.
Alright that's a funny copout. So you don't know how many children your mother and/or father conceived, together or apart, correct?
Reread our argument again and again until your cognitive dissonance wears off and you stop repeating yourself.
Scared to answer the question, huh? I'll ask again. Do you know how many people are there who were conceived by your mother and/or father?
>*I can already see what you're trying to say, the route you're going and this is basically the answer it eventually leads to.
And on the subject of lying and all, this route.
I say I know the universe exists (which is impossible without the existence of God and the universe) and you're the one saying that I'm lying.
So this "nuh uh" shtick just does not work, it doesn't have the weight to back it up, you KNOW?
Honesty is the death of atheism.
What a moronic oxymoronical question.
if you ignore all the evidence sure
Here's a proof of God on an unrelated note if you want to make it about that.
>Space cannot have an infinite past because there couldn't have been not enough time for the present to happen yet before it did with an infinite past.
Why couldn't there be an infinite past with God? What created God? I'm a deist but these types of "God definitely does/doesn't exist" arguments are stupid.
This argument got debunked more than 100 years ago with the discovery of special relativity.
Know this guy? Aleister Crowley. That's his name.
He created a new religion from scratch. Heaps of followers. Very popular.
How could a falsehood so obvious convince so much people, OP?
Tell me your theory and I'll mansplain.
Said he met the grey aliens didn't he? And there is also the nordic aliens.
Seems like there is going to be a good alien bad alien war.
When you believe something, you make it "real" because you are God. So it doesn't matter if you pompously believe in Yahweh and his high Horse or you believe in the Spirit of the venereal Chihuahua, It Will "listen" likewise and answer prayers with same capacity, I'm not talking out of my ass, I've tried this shit, hell I even prayed to Son Goku to lend me his energy.
WTF are you talking about?
I was atheist. Took up meditation. Had an experience with a God. So I set to discover what religion it was. Naturally, having been born in a judeochristian majority nation, I thought that truth was one. It wasnt so. Every religion I tried happened to work. My belief was casting them to become real. This is why false, made up in the spot religions have followers, they understand this.
So, naturally, Crowley has followers and Bertiaux system has a following with even monasteries.
Sounds uncanny, I know, but that's just how reality works. This is why both chikung and yoga, are often recommend by doctors.
persona 2 religion
Essentially
I'll be honest, this has always worried me, because consider the implications of 33% of Americans believing in all punishing wrathful God.
Sure 33% believe in a fatherly but stern god and the remaining believe in a merciful God, but it seems to be the outcome of this collective grouped together would be schizophrenia
>but you turn around and ask them if they know those things exists or not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_atheism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theological_noncognitivism
>but you turn around and ask them if they know those things exists or not and they would tell you that they that don't know lol.
lol no I’ll flat out tell you all those things aren’t real
fake atheist
Can I ask you a question then?
>Going insane because someone doesn't validate your make believe stories
>christians pretend no one else besides them knows or can know anything and demand you accept that premise. They literally just declare themselves correct by default and demand no one else questions or criticizes that premise.
You guys know these are full blown morons and you don’t need to take them seriously even for a second, right? They’re using an argument that would only “work” if they had physical control over you.