i have that and im at story 13. the most mundane, anti-climatic and insipid stories ive read in a while. I cant understand why theyre so highly lauded.
do i need some specific knowledge of late 19th/20th century politics in ireland to grasp these shit stories or something? explain to me, genius.
joyce should have written interesting stories
these nebulous replies are hilarious >you lack le empathy >you lack le soul >le brain
shut the frick up and explain why this shit book is good
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What I said wasn't wrong. If you both have no empathy while also having no Irish heritage or desire to understand Irish history then you're not going to enjoy it.
Just like how I imagine someone with no sex drive won't enjoy porn.
And it is still great regardless of your contrarianism and inability to engage with it.
I thought they were pretty funny. I got the message a few stories in that this was sort of the "What it's like to be Irish" experience for that time. The one that ends with the loser beating his kid for letting the fire tie was pretty good. Also the old pedo, and that b***h at the party that kept saying "West Britton" was good. Or the political organizer guys that kept talking big but end up just pounding beers all night.
It's a great anthology. I haven't read it for maybe 10 years but I'll probably try again. Didn't read it until I was like 25 (didn't go to high school really) so maybe that colors my opinion.
Anybody who says they like Joyce can be written off as a pseud pretending to be intelligent. Nobody has ever been able to describe in detail why anything that the Pervert ever wrote was valuable as anything other than toilet paper.
This shit is so fricking boring
what am i missing?
joyce should have written interesting stories
these nebulous replies are hilarious >you lack le empathy >you lack le soul >le brain
shut the frick up and explain why this shit book is good
i get its about disappointment, revelation, paralysis etc of real life situations but its also just fricking boring.
How in the ever loving frick can you read a story like "Eveline" or "Araby" or "The Dead" or "A Little Cloud" and think it's insipid or mundane or shit? The failures of these characters, whether through guilt, society, religion, etc. are presented with such humanity and care, also with some of the greatest fricking prose ever written in the English fricking language. You can dislike it all you like. Not your style, not riveting enough, etc. but to say that it's insipid or shit really shows your extra chromosome, homosexual.
I like Dubliners because it has a lot of "literally me" characters and moments. Joyce is so good at bringing these people to life and making you see yourself in them. I'm pretty sure everyone who seriously reads Dubliners is going to find at least one character, in at least one story, that they directly relate to.
It's about everyday life, mundane but still packed with emotion whether it be disappointment like in Araby, childlike fun like in An Encounter or heartbreak like in A Painful Case or The Dead
Don't come into it expecting some grand stories and while not being perfect in my opinion it has some fantastic short stories about relatable life
>Don't come into it expecting some grand stories and while not being perfect in my opinion it has some fantastic short stories about relatable life
Why would I want to read about boring people and their boring lives? Does it make you feel smart because you "enjoy" "nuanced" literature? Joyce fans really are peak midwits.
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This is going to be repetitive of what other posters have already said in this thread, and probably sound ‘pretentious’ to you, but I think it’s really that you can’t appreciate the subtler nuances of great literary craftsmanship.
It’s not a Mission Impossible movie or something with fast car chases, big explosions where the protagonist dramatically and epically walks away from the fireball towards the camera, with violence and gunfights, and, hell, maybe even some breasts being flashed and a sex scene if you’re lucky, that’s for sure. The same way a complete symphony by Tchaikovsky or Beethoven (I don’t claim to be a great connoisseur of classical music, I’m just choosing some of the most obvious names of it) isn’t necessarily as “poppy” and “fun”, easy to listen to and not needing a great attention span, as the most mainstream hip-hop and pop music is that’s basically the most popular music in the world right now.
What I recommend, is to just put it down, maybe even leave the board and stop making such shitty threads and posts (fat chance, I know, but a man can dream), and maybe even just enjoy things that are more your speed, and there’s entirely nothing wrong with that. Different strokes for different folks. No one is forcing you to read Joyce, and even some great literary criticism on him or Dubliners specifically or a glowing review of it by someone who adores it isn’t really going to change anything for you if you just can’t be bothered with the work.
Also, because of your hostile, snide, combative, arrogant and insulting tone in various posts, don’t be surprised when people respond in ‘snobbish’ ways and simply call you a dumb pleb, or just flame you. That’s entirely expectable, understandable, and fully within anons’ rights when you engage so shittily, having already made up your mind and not actually being open to it being changed.
tl;dr: you’re like a semi-blind bat in a cave shitting on priceless works of art you can’t understand or appreciate, and maybe you can’t even be blamed for that.
I asked the same thing before and all I got were insults and variations on "it's supposed to be boring". I have no idea why anyone claims to like Joyce.
i get its about disappointment, revelation, paralysis etc of real life situations but its also just fricking boring.
joyce should have written interesting stories
these nebulous replies are hilarious >you lack le empathy >you lack le soul >le brain
shut the frick up and explain why this shit book is good
This is going to be repetitive of what other posters have already said in this thread, and probably sound ‘pretentious’ to you, but I think it’s really that you can’t appreciate the subtler nuances of great literary craftsmanship.
It’s not a Mission Impossible movie or something with fast car chases, big explosions where the protagonist dramatically and epically walks away from the fireball towards the camera, with violence and gunfights, and, hell, maybe even some breasts being flashed and a sex scene if you’re lucky, that’s for sure. The same way a complete symphony by Tchaikovsky or Beethoven (I don’t claim to be a great connoisseur of classical music, I’m just choosing some of the most obvious names of it) isn’t necessarily as “poppy” and “fun”, easy to listen to and not needing a great attention span, as the most mainstream hip-hop and pop music is that’s basically the most popular music in the world right now.
What I recommend, is to just put it down, maybe even leave the board and stop making such shitty threads and posts (fat chance, I know, but a man can dream), and maybe even just enjoy things that are more your speed, and there’s entirely nothing wrong with that. Different strokes for different folks. No one is forcing you to read Joyce, and even some great literary criticism on him or Dubliners specifically or a glowing review of it by someone who adores it isn’t really going to change anything for you if you just can’t be bothered with the work.
Also, because of your hostile, snide, combative, arrogant and insulting tone in various posts, don’t be surprised when people respond in ‘snobbish’ ways and simply call you a dumb pleb, or just flame you. That’s entirely expectable, understandable, and fully within anons’ rights when you engage so shittily, having already made up your mind and not actually being open to it being changed.
tl;dr: you’re like a semi-blind bat in a cave shitting on priceless works of art you can’t understand or appreciate, and maybe you can’t even be blamed for that.
a brain
i have that and im at story 13. the most mundane, anti-climatic and insipid stories ive read in a while. I cant understand why theyre so highly lauded.
do i need some specific knowledge of late 19th/20th century politics in ireland to grasp these shit stories or something? explain to me, genius.
Anon should have been more accurate, what you lack is soul.
joyce should have written interesting stories
these nebulous replies are hilarious
>you lack le empathy
>you lack le soul
>le brain
shut the frick up and explain why this shit book is good
What I said wasn't wrong. If you both have no empathy while also having no Irish heritage or desire to understand Irish history then you're not going to enjoy it.
Just like how I imagine someone with no sex drive won't enjoy porn.
And it is still great regardless of your contrarianism and inability to engage with it.
Joyce didn't believe in the soul.
>mundane, anti-climatic and insipid
That's the fricking point, you illiterate oaf.
The point is that it's boring? Kek
Yes, you fricking moron. It's about a mean, stifled, dissipate and colonised people.
I thought they were pretty funny. I got the message a few stories in that this was sort of the "What it's like to be Irish" experience for that time. The one that ends with the loser beating his kid for letting the fire tie was pretty good. Also the old pedo, and that b***h at the party that kept saying "West Britton" was good. Or the political organizer guys that kept talking big but end up just pounding beers all night.
It's a great anthology. I haven't read it for maybe 10 years but I'll probably try again. Didn't read it until I was like 25 (didn't go to high school really) so maybe that colors my opinion.
fpbp
Joyce was a giant fricking homosexual
And so are you
forced to read it during high school and it really is a chore
>This shit is so fricking boring
>what am i missing?
Empathy, an understanding of Irish culture
Anybody who says they like Joyce can be written off as a pseud pretending to be intelligent. Nobody has ever been able to describe in detail why anything that the Pervert ever wrote was valuable as anything other than toilet paper.
How in the ever loving frick can you read a story like "Eveline" or "Araby" or "The Dead" or "A Little Cloud" and think it's insipid or mundane or shit? The failures of these characters, whether through guilt, society, religion, etc. are presented with such humanity and care, also with some of the greatest fricking prose ever written in the English fricking language. You can dislike it all you like. Not your style, not riveting enough, etc. but to say that it's insipid or shit really shows your extra chromosome, homosexual.
Yawn, still does make for riveting stories, proselet. Vignettes would be a better description.
Perhaps sci-fi and fantasy is more your jam. Perhaps nuance and subtlety is also lost upon you
i get its about disappointment, revelation, paralysis etc of real life situations but its also just fricking boring.
>“Thought is the thought of thought.”
James Joyce, Ulysses
I defy you to find something as brilliant, concise, and profound as this phrase.
that sounds gay yo
I like Dubliners because it has a lot of "literally me" characters and moments. Joyce is so good at bringing these people to life and making you see yourself in them. I'm pretty sure everyone who seriously reads Dubliners is going to find at least one character, in at least one story, that they directly relate to.
It's about everyday life, mundane but still packed with emotion whether it be disappointment like in Araby, childlike fun like in An Encounter or heartbreak like in A Painful Case or The Dead
Don't come into it expecting some grand stories and while not being perfect in my opinion it has some fantastic short stories about relatable life
>Don't come into it expecting some grand stories and while not being perfect in my opinion it has some fantastic short stories about relatable life
Why would I want to read about boring people and their boring lives? Does it make you feel smart because you "enjoy" "nuanced" literature? Joyce fans really are peak midwits.
Holy cringe
Name someone that isn't a boring person
Thomas Pynchon seems pretty cool
itt: op argues in a circular fashion
I thought "Clay" and "A Mother" were both very sad
I asked the same thing before and all I got were insults and variations on "it's supposed to be boring". I have no idea why anyone claims to like Joyce.
>I have no idea why anyone claims to like Joyce.
His prose is absolutely brilliant. You want proof, just look at the final paragraph of The Dead.
This is going to be repetitive of what other posters have already said in this thread, and probably sound ‘pretentious’ to you, but I think it’s really that you can’t appreciate the subtler nuances of great literary craftsmanship.
It’s not a Mission Impossible movie or something with fast car chases, big explosions where the protagonist dramatically and epically walks away from the fireball towards the camera, with violence and gunfights, and, hell, maybe even some breasts being flashed and a sex scene if you’re lucky, that’s for sure. The same way a complete symphony by Tchaikovsky or Beethoven (I don’t claim to be a great connoisseur of classical music, I’m just choosing some of the most obvious names of it) isn’t necessarily as “poppy” and “fun”, easy to listen to and not needing a great attention span, as the most mainstream hip-hop and pop music is that’s basically the most popular music in the world right now.
What I recommend, is to just put it down, maybe even leave the board and stop making such shitty threads and posts (fat chance, I know, but a man can dream), and maybe even just enjoy things that are more your speed, and there’s entirely nothing wrong with that. Different strokes for different folks. No one is forcing you to read Joyce, and even some great literary criticism on him or Dubliners specifically or a glowing review of it by someone who adores it isn’t really going to change anything for you if you just can’t be bothered with the work.
Also, because of your hostile, snide, combative, arrogant and insulting tone in various posts, don’t be surprised when people respond in ‘snobbish’ ways and simply call you a dumb pleb, or just flame you. That’s entirely expectable, understandable, and fully within anons’ rights when you engage so shittily, having already made up your mind and not actually being open to it being changed.
tl;dr: you’re like a semi-blind bat in a cave shitting on priceless works of art you can’t understand or appreciate, and maybe you can’t even be blamed for that.
Most Redditesque post on this board right now, this reads like it was originally written to defend Rick&Morty.
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AYYYY EE AYYYY
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>I have no idea why anyone claims to like Joyce.
You have no idea about a lot of things.
Gazing into the thread I saw OP was a creature driven and derided by moronation; and my eyes burned with pity and anger.
>what am I missing?
At least 40iq points.
everything Joyce ever wrote was boring and only the most masochistic and insecure psueds would ever argue otherwise
Go back to reading Colleen Hoover, gay.
>t. angry lesbian
I think James Joyce was a hack