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I've refuse to play any game that has this, even if all my friends are playing it. I don't care. When I find out the game has aggressive anti-cheat after buying then I submit a refund.
>I've refuse to play any game
You should stop there. Life is too short to waste it playing video games. Sure having a hobby like programming, but don't waste your life on empty achievements like what video games give you, it'll lead to regret and despair down the line
>wasting your life on pointless hobby projects
grow up
(nta)
lel.
you wrote that to justify your complete lack of ambition.
most tech companies you see today started in a garage, as a hobby/side project.
you sound like an an appletard.
appo itself started in a garage.
you get wallhack if you frick with your gpu's code.
kernel level problems require kernel level solutions.
that said solutions are shit and barely work, if only, is a wholly different pair of boots...
is verifying vram only possible in kernel level? surely the process that uses it can read it.
(yes, I admit, I don't know much about this specific hardware dings)
Nobody cares who you are
>Wasting you live "preping" for and working at pointless tech company
ISSHGDDT
>you must spend every minute of your life working!
>never relax or enjoy anything!
competitive fps games are not relaxing
cs2 has unplayably shitty netcode and an absurd amount of cheaters. theres a reason no one except 9 year olds play cs anymore
You'll never be a pro.
why the frick would anyone want to be a pro at gamersoy shit? it's a fricking game, for israelite's sake
You'll never be a woman
no kidding, i dont play fps games anymore. valve completely killed cs now.
You must be 18 to post here Black person
oh noes
I wanted to be a pro starcraft 2 player back in 2011.
Then I hit masters and realized that going from top 1% to 0.1% was going to be just as hard as going from 40% to 1% and that I really didn't have the hands/apm for it.
At least you didn't waste your life on a dead gam anon, it was a blessing
Probably was. I was spoiled enough by my parents that I could've taken a year off school were I good enough to qualify for tournaments in my free time.
I had my fun playing the game and attending open tournaments as a scrub either way though.
>1% to 0.1% was going to be just as hard as going from 40% to 1%
The gap increases the higher up you go. From 1% to 0.1% is harder than from 40% to 1%. Every order of magnitude is more difficult than the last. This is a very wide spread phenomenon, just like going from 10nm to 1nm node is a lot more difficult than going from 100nm to 10nm.
>cs2 has unplayably shitty netcode and an absurd amount of cheaters
Aged worse than tf2. At least i know comfy cs 1.6 servers.
Your work is your will manifested. People who dont work, have weak will. As life continues, the results of your work determine your life. Whether you get a comfortable life without worry or life of despair where you have no control
>Whether you get a comfortable life without worry or life of despair where you have no control
Huh, all you have to do to live a comfortable life is stop caring.
>my family is dying because no money
>i cant pay bills for house
>homeless and getting knifed by other homeless
stop caring bro
Just don't live in a shithole. Even if you were homeless, nobody is forcing you to hang out in a dangerous ghetto. moron.
>caring about where you live as a homeless
>lol, frick those guys, look at them and laugh
Thanks, Seneca
go back to work wageslave
you are wasting time lurking and posting on basket weaving forum
>the results of your work determine your life
I don't think you understand the point of the modern economy. GDP increases because people do less work (for more productivity), you need more production to sustain the population. If you live in a low GDP country you will spend all your time working and still have half your children die. While in a high GDP country you can spend all your time playing games and live a comfortable life. It's easier to create desires over needs.
moron
Keep manifesting your will so I can stay home and collect my NEETbux, wagie.
>equates relaxing and enjoying with having companies constantly surveilling your computer usage
You are a sad little miserable being
>relax
>valorant
>fricking league of legends
>relax
lol, lmao even
Ok, Mr.CCCP worker drone
>Life is too short to waste it playing video games
The sentence that eternally btfo'd IQfytards
Life is too short for work. You are not your job.
but i want to enjoy life in any capacity, i need money from working
This but unironically. I've wasted 3000 hours of my life on Victoria 2 and Eu4 and I massively regret it
you ate shit so nobody should eat anything
Lol what? What games are less shit, fricking cod? That's even more mindless.
Well there's your problem. you should have been playing Sins of a Solar Empire and Stellaris, like a chad.
you're hobby is waging? lmao. they're gonna replace your white collar brain with robots just like they replaced blue collar bodies with robots, btw
>Life is too short to waste it playing video games
>spends his valous time spewing stupid shit on imageboards thinking he is above anyone
Do not do this shit
You are correct. Not sure why the ESLS are calling you a wage slave where nowhere you implied to work more, just to get more meaningful hobbies
Yeah video games are a waste of time but video game development is pretty cool and can make you a lot of money
Why is it a waste of time?
>video game development is pretty cool and can make you a lot of money
lmao keep dreaming
>empty achievements like making money for the boss man or writing code for the boss man or paying rent to the bos man after leasing a car from the boss man, or saving your money for a really long time so it can be stolen by the boss man via inflation
because all brainlets think the same. the life skills and lessons i learned in videogames were way cheaper than learning them through real life. vidya taught me not to blindly trust authority figures, spokespeople, thirdies, all life lessons that could have literally killed me outside the simulucrum of a time wasting vidya. When you get banned for exercising freedom of speech from a vidyagame, it's way less impactful on your life than getting banned for trying to do the same thing in the corporate world. But the lesson remains: everything youve been taught about freedom and the law is a lie, and the system is rigged to ruin you. At least its a soft crash if its your '60 dollars stolen' instead of 'career stolen'.
The ruling class hates videogames for this reason. you can learn how to be racist because thirdies are ruining your community long before you will realize it when they start taking your jobs. But since its done in some shitty game nobody will notice or mark you down for now having bad think. You can realize how badly poorpeople should not be trusted or sympathized with when you see how they act in an environment with no police to keep them in check. Videogames are not a waste of time, they are a way to speedrun life's potential problems and see the consequences of letting them play out. It gives you future vision of how society is going and how people really think/behave once they are let loose and allowed to do so. It is an important coming of age tool for young men to experience so they can navigate life's pitfalls.
Of course they want to spy on you in vidya, because people are learning things they shouldnt while playing some quick 3v3 10 minute match in a ramdom f2p game.
>... the life skills and lessons i learned in videogames were way cheaper than learning them through real life. vidya taught me not to blindly trust authority figures, spokespeople, thirdies ....
I learned to bunnyhop so I don't need a car anymore and just jump to work every day at 200mph
kek
work all your life so you can have have fun and relax once you're 50
A reminder that video games are children's entertainment. Adult gamers are developmentally stunted unless they play just to bond with their kids.
Reminder if you're a sports fan of any kind you're much worse than a game addict. If you're a gambler you're worse than a sports fan. If you drink you're worse than a gambler.
>Reminder if you're a sports fan of any kind you're much worse than a game addict
Why is that?
Never mind that game addicts also esports fans.
youre emotionally invested in the success of a person who doesnt know or care about you. ultimate npc Black person cattle, its like watching someone else play a video game and fanboying over them. sport cucks should all be killed
mostly it serves the need of disparate and directionless goy cattle to segment themselves and engage in nationalistic and tribalist behavior, which is considered wrong and evil.
The ideal is have fun with your work. Not work after.
You work for what you study.
You study for what interest you.
What interest you is whats fun.
So you work for fun.
>i am trying to be cool on a troonyme tech board with recycled luke smith opinions
i play minecraft and i enjoy it. i sometimes play roblox with my gf. i have friends that i play cs2 with.
maybe if you stopped being such a cool mature individual you would be happier
>regret and despair down the line
the only regret and despair regarding video games I have these days is not having the time to play them more. Maybe NEETs feel differently.
NEETs hate video games because they've spent so much time playing them that they aren't fun anymore.
Yeah, now that I'm older and have a job and other responsibilities, I actually enjoy games more, since I only play games that I ruly enjoy instead of forcing myself to play League and CS like I did in high school
I'm the biggest NEET here and I still enjoy video games. I have other interests too, so if I get burned out I can just do something else. I don't really like recent trends in games though, so I avoid stuff like OP.
>duuuuuuuuude life is too short for having fun with whatever you like, you must wagecuck all day because Mr. Goldberg said so and you must not have fun because muh bibul said so
Life’s too short to care about some homosexual’s opinion on what makes you happy. Just do what you enjoy
just do heroin bro life's too short
>playing video games makes me happy
Are you 12 years old?
When I was a kid, for sure there was a time when I loved to play games. But even as a kid when I spent too much time on games, it definitely didn't make me happy. It made me feel like everything was futile and I felt more frustrated if anything. That's not even taking into account moments of gamer rage which made me feel worse than almost anything else.
Gaming a lot doesn't make anyone happy. Not even a kid. An adult who spends a lot of time playing games is draining their soul. To play for half an hour every once in a while to get your mind off other things might make sense for an adult, but it's more about clearing your mind than happy happy gaming.
That wasn't projection, brainlet.
It's the definition of projection. A textbook case that could be cited whenever someone asks what projection looks like.
>Life is too short to waste it playing video game
depends. I've pretty much stopped playing all grinding games and competitive games where all you do is waste your life away for the next rank or achievement. I realized it's not actually fun for me so they're a waste of time, and they demand much more time than other kinds of games. i still enjoy story games though, it's like reading a fiction book but funner, and entertainment (in moderation) is a valid use of one's time. I also still do play competitive games like fortnite sometimes, when my friends want to all get on a call and play. spending time talking to friends/family will always be valid regardless of the actual activity. It's one of the few things that are actually worth it in life.
>reddit spacing
>pretentious preaching
>you aren't allowed to have fun in life
>life is short, that's why you should ever enjoy it
>i mean sure hobbies are fine, but NOT THAT ONE
son, there are more places than reddit where people like to put empty lines in between blocks of text, your brain is rotting from greentext abuse
ps. not the anon you were talking to I agree with all points sans reddit spacing
I don't play video games but nothing you do at work matters at all. It's almost certainly worse for the world than just playing video games.
Not him, but as a programmer I'd kill myself if the only thing I could do my entire day was programming and couldn't even play some vidya to switch off.
Not the 100% of the time a person is awake he has to be learning something or working, sometimes you just need to switch off or else you'll basically end up killing yourself from the stress and depression.
/v/tards absolutely seething in the replies, nice job anon
Yet you're on IQfy
this. vscode doesnt need anticheats
But there's also people using macros and bots in it now xD
Build games, don’t play them.
I don't play video games for achievements, I play them because it's fun. I have learned a lot from video games, especially historical ones, so I wouldn't say it's a waste. I don't video games that much anymore either. I see where you're coming from.
Isn't that the point of hobby? I mean couldn't you say the same thing about playing sports, hiking, shooting guns, or travel? Those all seem like "pointless hobby projects to me, what do they accomplish beyond increasing skill? The point is to have fun and be happy, what do you want people to do, nothing?
we need another video game crash frick that shit
Good day to be a csgo player
still a gay gaymer
CS2/CSGO is riddled with cheaters. Kernel level anti-cheat is the only way to prevent the casual cheating you see in CS. So many players will have cheats installed and ready to toggle when they think someone else is cheating but otherwise not use them. It's lame as hell and ruins the game.
I remember playing world war z pvp from time to time to waste some time, at some point people started doing auto-headshots thru walls from the other side of the map as soon as you spawned, I reported them and as I got paired with the same or similar people 3 times in a row stopped playing for a week or two, when I came back the same exact people were still doing the same, they just left their computers on 24/7 to frick everybody and the devs didn't even bothered to ban them.
Kernel level anti-cheat will not stop cheaters.
A moron willing to install a ring0 anticheat would also be willing to install a ring0 cheat
You are either too dogshit to encounter cheaters in CS2, or too moronic to realize Faceit is also using a kernel driver.
You don't get it the great Chinese Communist Party needs it for the day they take over the world to know if you are or aren't a bad boy!!!
ya goy, pay attention to the russians and chinese -- your real enemy
also, shalom!
Mostly zoomers play this slop and succumb to this kind of abuse.
Zoomers are no different to the women who raised them. All they care about it convenience and will forego everything just for it
>convenience
>vanguard
vanguard is not only incredibly invasive and stupid, it's also unbelievably sensitive, you do the slightest shit in your system and it will tell you "oh you need to restart your pc first or you won't be able to play our game", seriously don't understand why people play this crap, just play cs2.
>seriously don't understand why people play this crap
As anon above said, womeme
>oh my gosh my bing bing wahoo that I can only play on macroshart wangblows doesn't repect my privacy!!
shocker. if you care about privacy you wouldn't use windows or ever play this shit
>china will screenshot your """private""" chats in discord (a chinese botnet)
Does vanguard (lol anticheat) also do this?
there's no LoL version of vanguard
there is, they added it about a week ago
it's the same vanguard that valorant depends on
There is. I not HAVE to have it on if I want to even play aram. Also the code base is so great I have to restart my fricking computer to make it work.
There isn't, it's the same program, not a different version.
LoL anti cheat also scans the processes and browsers you have open and checks if you search or do anything related to cheat engine and if you do the game shuts down
Can't even play Lol anymore since it started using shit two days ago and that obviously broke Linux compatibility
They literally made a passive aggressive mocking article about how Vanguard is safe and no-one cares about Linux anyway:
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/
I have no idea how people can read this article and continue to play the game when they're openly making fun of the playerbase.
>this is extremely hard on Linux by design
Is this article an ad for Linux ?
Too hard to screw you is bad now ?
>we can't invade your privacy, so it must be bad
kek glad I finally removed this shitty game from my life. league hasn't been truly fun since around 2013 or so. wasted another 5 years trying to relive that high and it never came, the game just got worse and worse.
> no-one cares about Linux
They're not wrong.
>announce that the game will stop working 2 months in prior
>most linux people left
>haha look there's only 800 linux users!
disingenuous homosexuals
There isn't a single software company on the planet that cares about desktop Linux users except Valve, and even they are essentially forced into it because they fear Microsoft cutting them off with their store.
Their loss. HotS and Smite 1-2 work in wine, Dota 2 has native version, people will move to better games.
When is Smite 2 coming out?
end of july
>HotS
It's worse than that, the numbers were low because they made it a pain in the ass to play on Linux before vg anyway
I set it up with lutrix in like 5 minutes
Sounds like a reasonable response.
Gigachad Linux keeps filtering out the bad programmers
The gnu/systemd/linux operating system is too pure for us mortals
They're making you a favor, i never looked back the moment they decided to fix the problem of permabanned garbage pieces of shit nobody wants to play against, by adding more of those that powercreeped the old ones. And somehow the average player manages to be awfully trash with a tool designed to steamroll in the hands of a 12 y/o.
because they're desperate.
the fact is, competitive online shootan games were always a fricking meme and they were always just bros maxin', relaxin'. match making was a fricking mistake.
like I've said before, eventually hacks will get to the point where you just use the very contents of the screen itself to make decisions for you (kb+m actions) and there is literally nothing they can do to stop it outside of butthole proctoring to the max.
you can use AI to detect it based on non-cheating behavior of shooting.
cope: https://youtu.be/XnOsZrTMw1Y
no, you fundamentally can't. You're making dangerous assumptions about behavior and skill and will ban innocent goys for no good reason.
xitter screenshot thread
*dancing trash gif*
according to /lolg/ you're all transgenders dota players!
do not badmouth riot and vanguard ever again you chuds!
also ywnbaw or something.
That's funny, wouldn't LoL have the most amount of trannies?
Dota is mostly slav playerbase not westoids
>transgenders dota players
Funniest shit i've ever heard of "things that never happen in Dota". Keep them coming /lolg/troony!
I mean all games with more than 100 players is guaranteed to have a troony, BUT not all games PROMOTE trannies.
what drives a man to become this
What drives a WHOLE TEAM to approve a stream like that.
money, it's easy to make money off of people that would buy anything where you slap a rainbow on it
Yeah but a lot of people will no longer buy products from you if you start doing that. The tide is turning.
Nah not really, I still see league being the most popular moba out there and those who hate gays and lgbt just don't care about this shit unless it will literally get pushed towards them.
As soon as they started having forced pride events in game, that's when I called it quits. I don't care what people do in their own lives but don't shove it in my face and force me to participate.
Saars it clear, Windows doesn't spy on users. I'm Windows technical support and can confirm this.
Thank,
Raveenada Singh.
Oh no no no
Sar pls
a new Apple Store in Mumbai with Indians, how surprising
A mac e-girl doing damage control for The Brand.
Incredible!
I own a macbook air from 2012, 2 laptops with Loonix on it and a desktop with Windows, I couldn't care less about brand loyalty I'm not a massive homosexual
There's no reason to use windows outside of brand loyalty.
Not true: Those of us stuck in the hell of using legacy .net shit-tech have no choice.
My company's inhouse software is too windows dependency dependant. So it's either use Windows or Vm.
Why are you using windows on your personal PC though? Nobody counts using a work device as "using windows" the real question is do you use it at home lol.
I would argue that software is one of the biggest reasons to use an operating system. Hell, that's pretty much the main reason.
I don't know who got into your head that shaming people for not using linux will force them to switch, but it clearly isn't working.
With the same logic, prostitution is a great job because all that matters is that your job makes money
The end doesn't necessarily justify the means
>With the same logic, prostitution is a great job because all that matters is that your job makes money
It is a great job, it can be hazardous but the pay is great. There are far more hazardous jobs than being a prostitute and the pay is lower
But the reverse is also true, so, not wanting to change job just because it makes money is moronic
But that's not the same logic at all, nowhere on the post you replied to was money mentioned, or a viable analog to it. You've clearly got some developmental issues.
That's a great comparison
You are ready to suck microsoft dick just because it allow you to use replaceable shit
Perhaps your rentoid energy is to great for me
Nobody asked.
cope seethe dilate, not a single corpo knows about your existence
where's the diversity?
tim being the least ugly person there
>person
Just don't play multilayer video games and 99% of the issues and cancer disappears.
>multiplayer garbage
who cares
>noooo not my hecking discord chat
why is this always a discordtroony's main concern?
Child trafficking. What else
Why am I being punished as a legit user when the cheaters probably block all this?
Why does this sound so familiar?
>Why am I being punished as a legit user
Riot has to APPEAR to be doing something
>when the cheaters probably block all this?
They run their cheats on a third party device that man-in-the-middle's the GPU, keyboard, and mouse (they used to also use hardware direct memory access but I think that's passe?), literally undetectable.
>Why does this sound so familiar?
Because that's always how it goes, where it's anti-cheat or TSA, it's just the appearance of safety.
I don't understand why people care much about cheating in a video game. So what you die by some loser using an aimbot or wall hacks. It's a fricking game. Submit a report and let the janny clean it up. It's not like a life and death situation that warrants this level of oversight. People take these skinner boxes way too seriously.
In League it's even less important since you can play the game perfectly in terms of movement, kiting, skillshots etc but it is literally not important at all.
They made the game so you can't solo carry anymore 1v9 by design so the cheater literally can't win just because he is cheating.
because league is a very serious game™ for very serious GAMER!
lol this
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol
>However, this is far too many for a game with Olympic-level ambitions, and if we want the win to mean something, we must protect its integrity
what a joke of a company
you can't even prevent doping in the ACTUAL OLYMPICS, what makes you think you can prevent people from installing cheat software on THEIR OWN computers?
cheaters undermine the enjoyment of fair competition
they destroy the potential for there to be fun
>Submit a report and let the janny clean it up.
They've been cutting down on jannies for decades
If your gameplay session is disrupted by a cheater the psychologists they hired have found that you're less likely to buy a gamepass or lootboxes. This is a very serious matter I'm afraid.
They need to stop letting south americans, russians, and chinese pollute western servers. That'd help tremendously but they won't.
Wayland doesn't have this problem.
Only real argument to switch to Wayland
Security reduced functionality. We can go further though, if we replaced the computer with a brick it would be even more secure.
Literally I like this behavior, no steam doesn't need to know my mouse moved when I'm not interacting with it. Eat a dick.
>But it needs it to know you're there
No you don't.
They tried to warn you, and you wouldn't listen.
Agreed. The best part of Wayland is that games can't frick with your desktop resolution.
I feel nice playing Helldivers 2 knowing the shitty anticheat Sony enforced upon the devs has kernel level access on Windows but here on Linux it doesn't even know my wallpaper
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>Surely this isn't legal
That would be nice, but this also isn't new for anticheat. Of course, you did voluntarily install something that advertises itself as a rootkit that spies on you.
>rootkit
Thank god for rootkit scanners
Why do cheats even matter when the MM algorithm is designed to frick you into sub 50% WR no matter what. If you start winning you'll get back to back tilted shitters who run down mid.
You can brag about your high MMR to your friends.
Also everyone looks like a sucker who worked for their skill and you just bought it for $10.
Voluntarily installing an anti-cheat on your system is the most cucked thing I can think of.
>do whatever you want to my pc I promise to be a good boy
We don't need them, but games that have them tend to be more successful. See: Valorant vs CS2
>Why do we need kernel level anticheats again
we don't
zoomers just accept anything they don't care
>Le Zoomers
t. Millennials who paid a MONTHLY subscription for ESEA to frick them in the ass for YEARS.
Don't know what that is and don't care. I don't buy games. Enjoy the malware on your light up computer you want and defend dumb frogposter
>Don't know what that is and don't care
Uh oh we got ourselves an ESEA boomer.
How much did you spend on subs? $100, $200?
Kek, at least valorant spyware is free.
Imagine paying monthly for a root kit.
I couldn’t fathom a more cucked existence.
any exe can do that
see https://github.com/obsproject/
but does that sends your screen capture to the 3rd party company for analysis?
Probably.
All this talk of cancerous multishit video games has put me in the mood for some good vidya. I'm thinking... Half-Life.
Wanna do deathmatch anon? It's been a few months since I did
>tfw km anti-cheat gets btfo'd by km cheat
holy based.
but it's hilariously true.
>find zero day in Winshit
>use it to load kernel space code
>shitty Black personlisting practice of km cheat doesn't know about the code
the EFI drivers are probably the hardest now because I think Valorant enforces M$ signed EFI environment now, but idk how well it "works."
Anti-cheats are a fricking meme anyhow.
ac = badness enumeration
they dont solve the problem instead they just pretend
its like how anti virus hasnt stopped single malware
well ya, I agree. I think in general they're just trying to force everyone on effectively a firmware signed, locked down android tier hardware attested cancer like consoles already do. that would stop a lot of them, but it still does frick all if the userspace is vulnerable AIDS written by M$ pajeets or to external visual hack devices.
>I think in general they're just trying to force everyone on effectively a firmware signed, locked down android tier hardware attested cancer like consoles already do. that would stop a lot of them, but it still does frick all if the userspace is vulnerable AIDS written by M$ pajeets or to external visual hack devices.
indeed fortunately all these "mitigations" are still badness enumeration in the end
if i have physical access i will find a way to debug it
the real solution is netcode that is mathematically proven to be impossible to cheat on (but discord troony devs are too moronic to figure that out)
and if you are casual player all you have to do is pick random game that lets you host your own server and suddenly all cheaters are gone, centralized matchmaking is just for grouping cheaters with random innocent players
Some time ago I was all in for kernel level anti-cheats (I really hate cheats) I've seen games completely destroyed by having too may cheaters in pvp.
I just saw a video of how some cheats just run on external hardware now (using dma to capture memory or just using the video output) so there's no way anymore for anti-cheats to detect them anymore.
Afaik not even game consoles are cheat free now.
Right, people will just install memory reading modules on their computers and then use that info to control a cheat from a third party computer, there's absolutely no way to detect that, specially with how subtle it is
I can't understand it, I enjoy outplaying people specially good players using tactics and skills but kids nowadays rather install every single hack from wh to aimbot so they don't need to think or even improve its own skill, where's the fun?
I get that playing games is mostly a waste of time, but playing with cheats is 10 times worse.
10 times worse and with 0 fulfillment behind it
i don't understand the psychology of cheating, but it's still a thing and still a problem
Don’t act like kids haven’t always been doing this shit, it’s not something new. It’s just that more kids are playing multiplayer games on PC than previously now that even shitty laptops can run most games on low settings.
As for why, it’s probably a mix of reasons. Wanting to have high stats without the time investment, using them to make the game less frustrating because they can’t be bothered spending the time to learn, finding enjoyment in the act of “beating” the games anti-cheat, using it to grind for whatever flavour of loot box a specific game features, farming for shit to sell in RMT, trolling, a vendetta against the game itself. Any number of reasons.
most cheaters are really bad at the game and see it as "leveling the playing field"
most cheaters are also "closet cheaters" who only briefly turn their cheats on to make a kill or get and overview, not obvious at all but you will definitely wonder how the guy was prefiring a headshot around that corner and maybe blame it on lag or something
Wasn't there a guy that barely made it to diamond and it turned out the moron was scripting yet his macro was so fricking dogshit he still couldn't get past like D3 or some shit?
forced 50 and smurfs probably contribute a lot to the problem, if you're constantly forced to deal with smurfs and play unwinnable stacked games then using cheats to get back at them probably seems entirely reasonable to most people
there has to be trust between players for cheaters to consider not cheating
for DMA there are a few mitigating strats:
whitelist PCI attached hardware
make sure IOMMU support is available for the kernel and the driver to isolate PCIe DMA access from game memory.
for video, you're fricked. it's literally game over. Best you can do is try to enforce, OY VEY HDCP ONLY GOY but chinks don't give a single frick about DMCA and you'll still be able to get splitters that will strip it for you.
They usually spoof the dma device as something else but yes, it's theoretically possible to detect, and for video is just as you said, and additional you will also want players being able to stream and record video too cause it's free advertising.
I don't think they'll be too concerned about dma devices as it'll be time consuming to properly detect while only a very little amount of players will use something like that, being expensive and hard to set right.
Vanguard literally detects DMA cheats. Valorant just did a massive ban wave on DMA cheaters
Good to know and I hope they kept being caught but afaik people are still using them just by spoofing its id to match another device.
Also as there's still the visual based method anti-cheats with similar approaches as vanguard will still fail to guarantee a 100% cheats free game, so they'd better start analyzing all the inputs data like they do in trackmania but better.
And the visual method is going to improve fast as it works on consoles too, so they better start improving the inputs based anti-cheats instead of using software tamper detection cause soon it's gonna be the only way to stop cheaters.
real problem is cheating is big business, there's too much of a financial incentive for hack developers and not enough for game developers to combat it
it needs to be legislated so selling these hacks makes you legally complicit in the hacking of the servers and other clients, but good luck getting geriatric boomers in congress to understand this stuff, they couldn't protect us against scalping either
without legislation the only thing you can do is run anticheat software which is easily circumvented
>selling these hacks makes you legally complicit in the hacking of the servers and other clients
What are you talking about? 99.9% of cheats don't touch servers or other clients. You're only complicit in breaking the rules of a game. You're insane if you think that should be illegal.
Lol no, frick off with your legislation. It should be legislated that the internet is not real and nothing that happens on the internet matters.
You should never be held accountable for
>shitposting
>trolling
>cheating
>spamming ridiculous amounts of racial slurs
>stalking
>sending death threats
>cyberbullying
>deepfaking
>pirating
>faking your identity
>anything else that clueless boomers and coddled zoomers find offensive
Make the internet fun again.
le more internet laws good!
I only play ss13.
play games zoomers don't care about
Its an increasing trend though, more and more games will have this
Better to fight it early
We don’t need any anticheats. Remove ranked competitive mode for anything except in-person LAN tournaments where the hardware can be physically examined and suddenly the “problem” goes away
People will use them on normal matches too, there's no escape, they even use them in co-op games.
There’s a report function for a reason.
A lot of devs ignores the reports, I've reported players that were obviously cheating, like flying around at high speed and passing thru walls while shooting well over the rpm of their gun and with infinite ammo. (wwz)
In crysis 1 I remember being being punched while flying in a vtol by a guy that was just running on the sky.
Not disagreeing with you at all. But I find it funny how the devs that ignore reports are also the ones who insist anti cheat is necessary.
Almost as if they aren't using it to stop cheaters but to have kernel level access to your pc
That too, but it’s also this
They don’t want to catch all cheaters. Just the ones that aren’t sold by their friends.
Cause there's just way too many cheaters and they'll have to waste a huge amount of time and money to manually review everything.
I just hope ai will improve cheat detection instead of making it worse.
Wrong. You do statistical analysis and just monitor the accounts to build a profile. Once you have enough detailed profiles you can cross reference.
Remember that the metrics cheaters generate are completely different from legitimate players. This bullshit about it being too much work is just them being cheap and cutting corners.
Analytical approaches are a lot more efficient at catching real cheaters than anticheats. This isn’t debatable at all.
Maybe if people stopped cheating we wouldn't need such drastic measures.
Single source of truth
kernel level anticheat does not stop cheating. i cheat on faceit with their anticheat. i cheat on valorant too. i will never stop cheating because gays like you desrve it, you deserve CCP and NSA to look deep and hard into your butthole
why though? I played around with cheats more as morbid curiosity to get a better handle of how to use OpenCV, but I never did it like ritually to frick over gamers. I mean, I did frick over those losers I was going against, but sucks to suck, I was doing an experiment. sorry chuddies.
>gays like you desrve it
I don't even play any of those games you mentioned. I play OpenTTD and MSFS.
then why are you replying. my post is just to make kernel spying gays understand they're giving up their security and privacy for nothing.
those are good games
i dunno man. maybe i got some issues.
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Hvh queen
Sega uses not one but TWO kernel level anticheats for their billion dollar anime space gacha MMO.
It fails to stop cheaters too. All it does is cause stutter on Windows.
How is this snippet of code available? Some whistleblower?
looks like ida decompiler dump on github with darkmode
And it has variable name references available?
>a3 = Rect
its obviously pseudocode
the functions have names because they are winapi stuff and macros are known also
the variables with names such as hWindow or Rect are also generic names
Oh, fair enough, I haven't looked properly at var nanes
>Embed code into pics etc. that only slightly fricks with crucial files to where only a kernel level program would notice
>Use an imagehost that keeps that kind of shit with the file
>combine these with porn pics, comb every blue board for a chance to post this
>anyone with League or a similarly-intrusive vidya gets their system bricked
>total IQfyermin death, IQfy is saved
Isn't Riot owned by Tencent? You signed up for this. Chinese companies will all install spyware on your machines. This is what the US GOV is fighting against.
because young men hanging out together without being spied upon is dangerous for our democracy. they might be saying the n-word or having opinions about current thing.
>chink-owned company
>democracy
they would be more concerned about you owning illegal pictures of Winnie the Pooh
>he really believe east and west are at war and they dont share information with each other
nearly all the spying technology that are being run in china were created by google and apple.
in politics you can and should cooperate with your opponents, read at least surface level game theory
If it's real, someone needs to get on it ASAP and bring a lawsuit. The companies involved are going to be up shit creek without a paddle. I'm not sure they can even settle their way out of it. The owners of the company/companies could be looking at prison time as well as getting fined up the wazoo.
Only pedos would care about the privacy of their stored data.
>valorant
>parent chink company
>spying
oh no who could've thought
time to upload tiananmen square massacre pics to their server :^)
>Gets instabanned for "cheating"
to stop cheaters. schizos and cheaters are not welcome. just play your single player games
Don't care still gonna cheat
good job blocking legitimate players, have fun playing with yourself
funny thing is it doesnt stop cheaters. it creates better cheats. all it does is kill shitty free cheats/casual cheaters. the people paying money are still cheating nonstop.
Correct. Its meant to prune competition, not kill the market completely.
zoomzooms will cry about this on twitter but keep playing goyslop anyways
Is that an actual source code leak?
Why don't they just run it server side?
oy stop with the antisemitism
servers don't have screens so cant screenshot :'(
On a more serious note, server side anti-cheats usually don't work well and are never implemented correctly, there's just so much nuances that come with net stuff that will get you banned for the most dumbest reasons
authoritative servers cost money, easier to just run everything p2p with a thin server doing the most basic stuff
a second server acting as referee for the first server (the only actually effective anticheat method) costs twice as much so no chance of that
the solution to cheaters is P2P verification and snitching where clients silently vote on the validity of players. at most you have 1/3rd of the lobby cheating so it's fine if clients do voting. you can absolutely do something with the derivatives of client mouse inputs to identify possible silent magnetism hax
Free shareware games have less malware than paid corporate games now.
People playing those have respect for each other though.
I play only singleplayer and buy only from GOG. Only morons play modern multiplayer games.
the funniest thing is that conceptually this can only ever work on proprietary operating systems that don't allow low level custmization, even if they made a vanguard-dkms for linux we can just recompile the kernel and tweak it to lie to the AC module
Can't you cheat using a Mac?
Yes you can, but Apple will never allow kernel-level anticheat on the Mac so Riot is acting tsundere and pretending they never wanted to port Vanguard to Mac.
same reason you need kernel level antivirus
because all the cheats are kernel level, and kernel level can hide from everything on the system, and spoof any data unless the detection method is also kernel level
this whole anti-kernel level stuff is likely propaganda started by the cheaters to discourage effective anticheat, and having the players do the hard work for them by seeding FUD in the community
>durrr the propaganda is actually propaganda from the other side!
oh wow
the anti-starforce sentiment was confirmed to be started by pirates, it's nothing new, if you can't crack it, social engineer it
>starforce
lol thanks for reminding me, EVERYONE hated that shit
regardless of who started the "sentiment" they were right on the money
at the time it was the only drm that couldn't easily be cracked, so it's pretty obvious it was social engineering
same with this anti-denuvo, anti-kernel level anticheat, just social engineering to get people to oppose effective solutions
it was the only drm that couldn't be cracked because it was an invasive piece of shit
yes, i bought games with starforce, i don't care how good it was because it degraded the experience for legitimate users
You're an idiot. People are already cheating with basic trigger bots and aim correctors which your kernel anti-cheat can't even stop.
I'd poz myself for Ahri
>Is afraid of kernel level anti cheat
>Has discord installed
>Uses all of googles services
>All while on windows
Explain this behavior to me
People are moronic
commies are worse than nsa
No
Game devs are literal morons and their ring 0 bullshit invariably becomes a massive security hole.
>huur duur le anticheat is actually le unsafe
Never happened, never will, kys you filthy cheater
>Never happened
google "genshin impact kernel driver ransomware"
>never will
google "riot games code leak 2023"
What's really funny is the remote attestation TPM people are likely going to kill this whole anticheat model lmao
The NSA will absolutely not whitelist game developers keys.
They already normalized that spyware, soon they'll be fine with games literally spying on them too
>>Has discord installed
qrd on discord?
Google spy.pet
I use webcord.
Checkmate atheists.
Consoles are starting to look better.
At least the only thing they can spy on is what you're doing on the console.
You sure about that? Remember when Microsoft tried to make their console have a mic that was always on?
connected to the TV, in the living room, often acting as a media hub for your netflix and everything, private conversations in party chat etc.
>private conversations in party chat
What?
a lot of people use xbox live as a voip chatroom
Ok, but that's not even marketed as being encrypted or private from the company running it, is it?
Dont see any issue with this. If you dont like it, dont play it. Never even played valorant but I respect that it goes all the way to stop cheaters with the tradeoff of less privacy for users. Ultimately privacy invasive methods are the only way to stop cheaters from modifying the client. As long as theyre upfront about it, then its okay in my eyes.
Except it doesn't stop them. Just like Sony's rootkit didn't stop piracy.
I've only loosely followed valorant stuff, but it seems like the only ways to cheat are hardware modification stuff and bots that are literally just looking at the pixels on your screen. The first is cost prohibitive and the second only allows a subset of cheats. Seems pretty good, compare that to csgo where its anything goes.
I'm not bating, compeitive fps games are stupid easy to cheat in. Thus, either realize this and stop playing them, or accept that invasive anticheats are necessary to play them competitively.
reddit-tier bait
>Dont see any issue with this. If you dont like it, dont play it
Riot is setting precedent here. In five years, if Riot is successful, every company (except Valve and maybe Blizzard) will be using extremely intrusive kernel-level AC.
Why wouldn't valve follow?
Because Valve isn't run by psychopaths and has at least a minimum level of respect for their players. Blizzard doesn't, obviously, but their AC team got hit hard by controversies in the mid-2000s due to them doing shady shit like sniffing window titles so they're hesitant to make their AC more intrusive.
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>Because Valve isn't run by psychopaths and has at least a minimum level of respect for their players.
Thanks for the laugh
You know Steam would be ten times worse if it was run by ANYONE except Valve. Kernel-level AC is not coming from them, period, they would rather let their games die than force people to install rootkits.
It receives a parameter from riot's servers with the window name they want to screenshot, and screenshots that. There's no evidence of anyone ever having any windows screenshot other than valorant, but it's still scarily invasive that they pretty much have a RAT on your pc. Gaymers are way too trusting.
Great
Mandatory EA kernel level rootkits
I love what has happened to the industry
My favorite part is when devs put up a beta version of the rootki- I mean anti cheat.
And because it’s a non-release beta version it doesn’t get patched out with the official version.
So it just gets stuck on your computer, sitting there.
Unless you manually remove it with wizard spells.
>t. Tim Sweeney
>ctrl+f unknowncheats
>0 results
yeah I'm not gonna read 300 replies from spastic mongs that discuss a clickbait tweet instead of what was actually reversed. dumb mouth breathing nu channers, go kys
Because modern game companies are allergic to the strategy that's kept cheaters at bay for eons in early gaming history
>community servers
Just give users freedom, and they'll do it for free, you c**ts.
Even as Team Fortress 2 was getting its anus ravaged by bots, community servers were still clean.
You don't heckin understand, companies need to heckin protect their IP!!!!!
Also people can say the heckin N word, or spread antisemitism on those servers!!!!
Community servers dont scale to 100s of thousands of players.
That’s why you have three tiers of servers
>ranked: AI and/or statistics driven cheat detection implemented serverside. Player inputs are recorded in case of dispute. The highest ranks can only be played on verified hardware in certain physical locations
>public: no cheat detection but you can report suspect users, and the jannies will clean it up (GTA Online in particular instead of banning you throws you into a designated server that only has other cheaters, or at least they used to I haven’t kept up with it)
>community: you pick the users to play with, and literally anything goes
tf2 servers only run on 1 core and host 1 map. Scale is literally just starting another server on another core.
You could also have 50 players on a single core. So just renting 2 epyc server2 will be more than enough for 100k players, if the game was actually that popular you might be able to make enough money to buy your own servers if you could keep trolling, cheating and griefing down
>playing game with with 100,000+ active players like csgo, cod, valorant, etc.
>open server browser
>see 10,000 servers
>try joining one, 8/10 players
>"Server is already full"
>try another, 0/10 players
>connect successfully
>no one joins
>quit back to main menu
>repeat
The solution to this is matchmaking which gets you the same spot. Or some private "community server" matchmaking which is even worse than developer provided since you have gay mods that will power trip and ban you from everything
That's no different than a game with 100 players. You filter out empty servers, sort by ping, and then you're good. I still don't understand how this "doesn't scale"
Because theres going to be 1000 other players trying to get into the same sorted list of servers as you are at the same time. Which means youre clicking on join/retry over and over to find something because the 8/10 server just got filled up after you hit refresh. The solution is some queuing/matchmaking system
The solution is joining a server with 5 players.
Thats not what happens. I've played Squad which uses community servers. What happens is the main servers have 30+ player queues which take 15 minutes to get into while you have <10/100 servers that are sitting empty. Theres a critical mass number that you reach where everyone starts joining, but before that, youre basically just wasting time waiting.
Don't show every server to every player then. Bam, fixed.
Community servers can have queues too and they'll tell you your position on it, so not really a problem, if you want to wait in pos. 7 you know it's gonna take a while and can try on another one instead.
I can't remember the game name now but an old title had queues and you can even go to another servers or play solo while you waited for a slot to open.
Matchmaking, but give the player with highest account value moderator perms to kick people if they cheat. Require over 50% vote to kick players.
Combat arms had this system where you pay 15 a month for moderator permissions if you created the lobby
>scale
Why not? It's a poster child of scalable. A highly parallel task with almost zero coherence overhead needed. Ahmdal would be creaming his pants.
More people playing means more people who'd be willing to host their own community servers
And when you actually let people do things you get results like that giga autist on youtube who managed to tweak and change shit enough on TF2 to have a hundred player server with minimal lag
Community servers scaled to hundreds of millions of players for minecraft.
All these anticheat threads are just thinly veiled IQfy threads.
Make your own game then, you frickin' whiner