Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)
Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Excellent keyboards, tactile feel and quiet
>Great durability: magnesium roll cage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
>Excellent Linux & *BSD support
ThinkWiki - General info about ThinkPads/specs
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
Modern models:
>X220/X230 - 12", 768p, cheap and light
>T420/T430 - 14", 900p (1080p w/mod board), Ivy Bridge support on T420 w/coreboot, quad core upgrade, classic keyboard mod on xx30 series
>T520/530; W520/530 - 15", 1080p, DTR, 32GB RAM on quad core models
>T440p/540p; W540/1 - last Thinkpads with socketed processors, easily replaceable trackpad (W541 doesn't need trackpad replacement)
>T440s/T450(s)/T460(s)/T470(s) - ultraportables, good battery life
>T480 - last ThinkPad with swappable battery, T25 keyboard mod, excellent performance/battery life, getting cheaper
Upgraded models:
>X210 - X200/X201, i5-8250U quad core
>X62/X63 - X61, i5-5250U
>T70 - T60, i7-7700HQ
IPS displays, USB 3.0, M.2 x4, MiniDP, no dock
https://forum.51nb.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=117
BIOS replacement:
https://coreboot.org - T440p, X131e, X1C1, and xx30 series (no 61) or older
https://libreboot.org - X/T60 and xx00 series
Additional resources:
https://biosimage.booru.org
https://1vyra.in
UEFI patches:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches
Chat:
https://t.me/thinkpadgeneral
https://discord.gg/Ybdz7AS
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What is the difference between a t470 and a t470s? I don't know what to buy rn.
Also please sauce of pic.
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homie, how do you not know about Sauce Nao?
why doesnt the op mention the convertible x1 yogas? are they not recommended?
yogas are fakepads and prone to developing hinge problems
if you can settle for females (male) then maybe
the name is an md5 hash, that should be enough to find the source
so long as the female (male) wears a mask 24/7
Unfortunately, the deeper you get into Thinkpads, GNU, Linux, BSD, etc. The less women you get.
will using a Thinkpad get me hot females for sexual intercourse?
Only females(males), however, biological females doesn't exist anymore (for us)
Glad Kingston have lifetime warranty, even tho they don't have HyperX modules in stock anymore.
https://www.aftershockpc.com.au/pc-models/vapor-17x-12th-gen?selections=%7B%22primary_ssd%22%3A41316571971739%7D&step=review
Thoughts on this laptop? To me the price seems very good for what it is, especially considering I was waiting for G15 Rog Zephyrus 22 which is essentially the same price with inferior components. There's option to upgrade some components for more $ too. If it's worth it I'm willing to dish out extra money
I'm looking to use it for work(minimal intensity, can use a toaster for this) gaming and potentially VR in the future
I was looking to build a PC but my work demands a lot of moving around, so I wouldn't be able to use it for majority of the time...
I think you picked the wrong thread fool.
>laptop
>i9
>no mention of any work or play that requires an i9
Go back
IQfy is a israeli board, show me the breasts.
amazon, they're made by something called lidstyles
Actually, the palmrest and trackpad are also covered
looks tacky, like something a 50 year old aunt would do
bought a brompton clone (3sixty)
used it for a week now, the bike is pretty good for a fraction of the price
gonna look into upgrading the parts
I got a zizzo bike. Not as compact or smooth as the fancy ones, but it works well, I like it.
Was considering getting a lenovo gaming laptop. Is it overkill?
I just need something for uni that I can use programming software on and maybe a little gaming, the latter is less important though. It needs to be quiet, have incorporated bluetooth, not too heavy, ideally upgradeable storage.
get an actual thinkpad. You can play games with integrated graphics
I recently bought the legion 5 with AMD and its probably the best laptop I've ever had. I don't even game
Would it be relatively easy to install linux on?
As easy as any other x86 laptop 🙂
Since you're asking that, you're probably new. I recommend Mint Linux.
What's good about it? Like everything is mint?
What
Yep Legion 5 is great, been using it for 2 years
I'm using the 2021 version. Its excellent. I don't doubt that the previous model is great too
bought my y540 about 2 years ago and still love it. keyboards not the best but the that panel is top notch.
Just dont make the same mistake i did and buy the 17 inch model if you care about portability
~52C when browsing the web, ~58C when streaming a 1080p VP9 video from YouTube. W530 with a 4-core CPU that I haven't repasted. when I run 7z b the temps reach into 80s and it drops from 3.5GHz to 3.3GHz on all cores after about 30 seconds. when I run CK3 at speed 5, it maintains 3.5GHz all-core boost.
what's a decent Thinkpad (or any laptop for that matter) for linux browsing and perhaps programming. prefer new but willing to get older refurbished models
Just get any T or W series with a quad core cpu
including the t14 one? i thought there was some sort of bug that could brick your system
I don’t know anything about models newer than the T480, sorry
Is there any good, up-to-date source of information about coreboot for T420 and using ivy bridge processors? I’ve seen multiple sets of different information and instructions in different places (even both versions of the wiki are different) so was wondering if any collated information on the topic anywhere.
I splurged about three fiddy on a t480 on a whim.
I feel like I betrayed my t440p but it's still a worthwhile upgrade right? I.. I didn't frick up right? The usb-c port isn't gonna shit the bed and disintegrate the second I lay my hands on it right?
>but it's still a worthwhile upgrade right?
not really, unless your t480 has mx150 gpu and you care about graphics performance. the quad-core cpus in t480 have worse performance than quad-core cpus in t440p out of the box, and probably after undervolting too. sure, it's thinner, lighter and the battery lasts longer, but do you really care about those things? i'd assume that you wanted a desktop replacement anyway if you bought a Thinkpad with p suffix.
>but do you really care about those things
I actually do which is one of the reasons why I thought it was a good idea. My t440p is igpu too. I'd buy a desktop if I wanted one.
This is just false for a T440p out of the box config
I got my t480 (surprisingly fast btw), and I have to say that everything except the obvious upgrades in performance feels just slightly worse. I hate that the charging is forced through this flimsy usb-c that quite frankly gets in the way of my ergonomic couch-station posture. It's like I can almost feel the tiny contacts and solder joints wear down as I watch it bend in its socket when I move around. It wouldn't be that bad if the charging port wasn't soldered to the fricking motherboard. Also the keyboard is mushy and I don't like it. The trackpoint buttons have no travel. I'm not a huge fan of this to be honest. I can feel my t440p judging me.
>week with my new thinkpad
>enjoying the trackpoint
I've been missing out my entire life bros
>72wh battery on my a485 no longer discharges after resetting it
>the laptop literally refuses to power on when the internal battery is deactivated in the bios and the 72wh battery is attached
>it does power when I put in the oem 24wh battery in
I guess this battery is a dud? this sucks, I just wanted the laptop to last several hours, not 2 hours on the internal battery
I can see it
I can see it too!
I want it
>Koikatsu
Anyone got link to Thinkpad prop?
I feel inspired to generate some scenes now...
>get P1 Gen 4
>realize keyboard is worse than I imagined
I see people b***hing about the keyboard changes in say, my T460 vs the T61 days or something, but holy shit the P1 keyboards are just fricking chicklet little shits with huge gaps between them.
>but holy shit the P1 keyboards are just fricking chicklet little shits with huge gaps between them
that has been the case since the xx30 series. the real season is that lenovo has been chipping away at key travel bit by bit to make their devices thinner, that's why it feels so shit. xx30 series chiclet keyboard has the same amount of key travel as the xx20 series classic keyboard. the one in xx40 series has slightly less, and modern thinkpads have even less.
Ethernet port on my X200 is not working. Linux detects hardware, but the interface is not showing anywhere. Port LED's are always on, except when powed off and not charging. Port on the dock doesn't change anything ether. Sometimes, (very rarelly, seems random) upon starting charging or powering up, LED's will stay off and ethernet can work, I connected to my router once today. I could try flashing original BIOS, but I don't think that's the problem.
Does this seem like hardware damage?
yes, ethernet should always work on linux
Yeah, after playing with it a bit more, I randomly found that if I push on the palmrest near the ethernet port it seems to start working. So weird.
Could be a cold solder joint?
Maybe, going to tear it down tomorrow. I'm just hoping it's not a BGA, those are pain to reflow.
Thinkpad gaming, here I come!
what the frick, explain. How are you playing ck3 and have an eGPU, how does one make it work?n
prime render offload. i think it starts an xorg instance running on the egpu and streams output from it to the laptop display? it's the default behavior on linux, or at least on debian which i use. the egpu works just like the internal discrete gpu. add __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia before a program launch command to make it use the nvidia gpu. didn't even have to configure anything beyond installing the proprietary nvidia driver.
neat, thanks. I haven't figured out how to install nvidia drivers on linux because I'm too moronic. I think this will work for playing vidya. However I am complicating things for myself because I am using manjaro, if installing the drivers on another distro is easier, please do say so.
I would back up my entire logical partition before I played with that stuff and risked nuking my OS again.
Careful with that admin passy!!
I don't main linux, it's just a 120gb partition I mainly use when I use my laptop on battery power, as it runs much cooler / lasts longer than windows. Thanks for the advice though.
what is it connected to tho?
the riser is exp gdc connected through the expresscard slot. the graphics card is a gtx 1050 ti by asus. no video outputs on the graphics card are connected. my os is debian gnu/linux and i'm using the proprietary nvidia drivers. video is rendered on the 1050 ti and then sent to the internal display through prime render offload. i can choose which programs use which gpu by putting special environment variables before program launch commands.
also i'm gonna buy an rx 470 mining edition with no video outputs at all and see how well it works with amd cards on linux. i've heard that using the internal laptop display with amd cards is impossible or at least very cumbersome with windows.
since you're here: B156HW01 V4 or B156HW01 V7?
i've noticed that displays in these machines have a slight orange tint and it's pissing me off. are glossy displays free from it?
orange tint? bruh I wouldn't know 🙁
one W530 had a fricking blue-ish hue and I hated it.
looking at panelook, the V7 has a slightly better contrast ratio (500:1 vs 400:1) but both are at 95% NTSC color gamut & 262K colors 😡
Cringiest background known to me.
I am sad that there ist no case for that external GPU.
thats sexy
what fps do get with a external monitor vs internal?
Sometimes when I rest my palm on the t440p trackpad (unclunk'd) while using the trackpoint my cursor goes all crazy around the screen for a few seconds clicking random shit.
you're not a real thinkpad user until you disable the trackpad in bios
I have it disabled through xinput on default with a hotkeyed switch on some machines. It's useful in some situations.
wait, now that i think about, that could a great use case for ex-mining cards with no video outputs
Why are bigger laptops with a centered mousepad (meaning no numpad) so unpopular? They just look so much better and personally I don't need the numpad. I feel like many manufacturers are missing out by not releasing one from time to time. Huawei seems to be one of the few in the west that does this while also not charging you a huge amount of money for them.
I think they’re fantastic honestly, and when it comes to business-style laptops, if people are using them in an office, they can just dock them and use a keyboard. For portability and comfort, that design is my favourite.
where are they then anon. They should produce some for us.
Use trackpoint and problem solved
not really, your hands are still off-center when using the trackpoint or typing. it really doesn't matter which input device you use.
>Why so unpopular?
they're my favorite...
i guess many people look at their keyboard when they type and having a numpad is faster for those types
therefore the keyboard with the numpad would sell more units? don't even know unless we got the sales numbers of several brands such as HP, Lenovo, Dell and the types of keyboards.
The Apple keyboards don't have numpads right?
Numpad is faster for putting in numbers, especially without having to look at the kb imho. It's literally the trackpoint of numerical input devices. You can just rest your hand on it while having everything that an accountant would need on your fingertips. No need to hunt and peck around the keyboard.
Its usefulness for normal people is debatable but I tend to lean towards more buttons=good if there is room for them.
>the trackpoint of numerical input devices
damn, can it be anymore accurate?
I feel you. I specifically got a T530 because I wanted a 15" laptop with no numpad.
Grabbed an E530 for £40 for the CPU (i7 3612qm) for my T420 when I coreboot it. Are there any other useful parts I could grab?
Lenovo notebook for under €400?
Dear anons, my mom's laptop (Dell Latitude E6440) has an issue. It won't boot up. The LEDs show the disk and wireless ones all lit up and the battery one keeps flashing. Dell's documentation sucks ass and I already tried cleaning it up carefully. Does anyone know what could be the cause of it?
Do you get anywhere if you remove the battery and just turn it on connected to AC?
Not really, but somehow I figured it out
I have no idea how I did it but after messing around with the RAM and the CMOS battery it finally turned on, asking for BIOS stuff because I had unplugged the battery
I convinced my mom to let me back up her stuff after that happened since she mainly uses it for work and losing all of that data would cost her a lot
Oh nice, glad you got it sorted at least! And yeah, backups are always king
excellent machine, I got one myself recently as an upgrade from a nonserviceable Acer.
now I got an i7+16gib ram and installed qubes on it. Runs pretty cool because its a little chonky.
just needs an ssd for the OS bits. I wonder if I can put an NVMe drive in the WWAN slot next to the battery.
So, you can mod a ThinkPad?
very carefully
I need a thinkpad that's for storing my porn with a great processor speed.
I got 140 dollars, what's your suggestions
T420
Get a T440p or something, no idea how much they go for in your country. Or T420 if you like the older ones, but the screen sucks unless you mod it tbh
nakadashipad
The ultimate bait.
How much am I looking to spend if I want something
>cpu >= i5
>ram >= 12gb
I guess I can upgrade the hard drive to an ssd if necessary. Can go for an amd equivalent too.
I have a latitude with an i5 5300u cpu. It really has trouble with the modern day internet if I don't block everything with noscript.
Is there a significant difference between xx50 xx60 xx70 models in terms of power efficiency and performance? Should I pay more for a newer one or the older models are good too?
Why don't you tell us yourself? Some of them are good some of them are bad, or should I say, kinda useless. Good screens are everything. Do your research and tell US!
To put my money where my mouth it I'd like to research all keyboard key travel distances and "feel" of all thinkpads and I'll make an infographic for it for this gen.
Is 4 GB RAM and 128 GB SSD enough memory and storage for general use on Windows 10, or should I go for 8 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD instead? What about 8 GB RAM and 128 GB SSD? I'm conflicted on it because I don't know if paying an additional ~$50 is worth it or not.
8 gb ram would be highly preferred. 4 is "usable" but get 8 if you possibly can.
as for storage 128 gb is fine if you have an external hard drive or a lot of cloud storage. 256 is comfy though.
If the difference is $50 though, go for it.
>If the difference is $50 though, go for it.
That's what I was thinking, too. It's better to fork it over and be certain that it's right than to be stingy and then have to order another laptop anyway. Thanks for your help, Anon.
Yes, Thinkpads are very good. I'm actually writing this on a T450 at the moment, and can confirm it is very durable and has a great keyboard. I love it. I'm something of an open-source fanatic though, so I'm planning on also getting an X200, which I can use Coreboot / Libreboot with.
As a guy who has no clue about batteries, is it easy easy enough to replace the internal battery myself? As in take out the cells or whatever
why you saw for a T440 with a dead internal battery?
short answer: no
long answer: yes with frickery, the modern batteries have protection circuits that brick the battery if voltage is interrupted across them
Which T440p should I get?
Lenovo ThinkPad T440p i5 8GB 500GB Wireless-AC Windows 10
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255135860238
Lenovo ThinkPad T440p i7-4600M 2.90GHz 4GB 500GB HDD NO OS R070501
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155065310396#vi-desc-maincntr
I'm still trying to decide
the latter, ddr3 ram is dirt cheap if you know what you're doing
Also I'm assuming you were going to reinstall windows or install linux regardless
I was going to install linux. Should I just get this then? Comes with no charger
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155065310396#vi-desc-maincntr
if you already have a charger or can find one for cheap then go ahead
The 16:10 screen one. Also buy another stick of 4GB RAM, or 2 sticks of 8GB, as well as a 256GB high-quality SSD drive. Oh and a trackpoint cover.
first one because of the panel
cpu can be upgraded on the t440p
Will Lenovo make a 16" W530-form-factor computer? If so what name would it have? P530? I know they have the P1 but since it's lightweight and slim, it lost a lot of the W530's features. It only beats the W530 with its screen and weight.
so the P16?
I was installing windows LTSC updates on my thinkpad (it's a dual boot) and now it won't turn on at all. It's just an X1Y3 somebody gave to me. When I press the power button nothing happens.
Removing the battery does nothing. Did Windows frick me?
There is nothing Windows can do to cause this. Removing the CMOS battery if you can and see if that helps anything.
Removing CMOS battery didn't do anything. I tried the little reset hole on the back of the laptop too. It just won't power on or anything.
I didn't think Windows Update installed BIOS updates, and the biggest change seemed to be a "Lenovo System" update. Regardless, the whole thing is bricked now. Gonna fiddle around with it some more to see if I can get it worked and undo the updates if possible.
I regret not selling this and trying to get a T480
Dell XPS 15 with the i7 11180h 16gb RAM 512gb SSD and the FHD+ Display for 1530€? Including the nvidia 3050ti. Seems like a decent deal for a last gen xps laptop.
I'm gonna bite the bullet and install linux on my x220
Any chance I could get a recommendation for someones first distro?
Easy to learn and lightweight as possible please, I'd like to maximize the battery life as far possible.
This might be old news, but I found this image from a Museum of Modern Art pdf file.
It's the IBM Leapfrog concept, made sometime in 1991? Sort of like a precursor to the TransNote.
Copper Hewitt has a nice thing about it. prob gonna regurgitate about it in my blog
Had a new Dell precision 3570 come into the workshop today, I was originally considering to get this before going with the T480.
Dell's keyboard is awful in comparison. Dell's trackpad is nice but I've already gotten used to the trackpoint so its kinda useless to me.
Sure it looks "premium", they got a fully decked out model, 32GB DDR5 and i7 with some nvidia card.
I think I'm glad I saved like 1.5k and got the thinkpad instead, I'd be pretty disappointed
Or you would have just started to think the other pc was just fine and never knew what you were missing out on.
should i install windows 11 on my T480? wondering if anons have had good experience with win11 and T480, it has an 8th gen intel processor and 16gb ram, i dual boot debian (daily driver)
>should i install windows 11
the answer is always no
install only if you want more ads than Windows 10 offers
I have it running on a T480. Posting from it right now. Works fine.
Of course, there are a few matters of preference with win 11 -- I miss the old taskbar. If you have win 10 now, you can roll back "within 10 days" as they say, but do it on day 9 if you don't like it, or some apps you need are not working right.
works gr8. literally the same process to get a usable system as w10. I switched my w11 license to IoT Enterprise with MAS, activated it and applied this group policy bundle:
https://github.com/mxk/win10-secure-baseline-gpo
then I undervolted the shit out of the CPU/iGPU. my i5-8350U is literally faster than an i7-8650U in benchmarks.
Is the T480 the best bang for the buck? I would love to mod older models but then again, I could simply use the money to just buy the T480.
If you don't care about the classic keyboard then yeah. They're getting cheaper and cheaper too since many of them are coming off warranty.
Isn't the keyboard easy to replace? Shouldn't be a problem.
No, you're stuck with chicklet. Only the T430 could get the classic keyboard... but if you want that feel, you are just better off buying a model M
because the keyboard feel of the T420 aint shit vs the NMB/Alps T60 or T61, which in turn isn't shit to the T30, which in turn isn't EVEN FRICKING CLOSE to the 765 / 755 / 770 / 600 god tier fricking keyboards
Frick, I'll just suck it up then.
If its your first time with a thinkpad, its probably not gonna be a bad choice. IMO i like the P5x keyboard moar, but that wont justify the price/performance vs the T480. But its just how the P5x/7x systems are made, sort of like classic W500 and T6x machines. The frame is built pretty firm (no keyboard flex like on the W700)
but thats because I've used a shitload of thinkpads, and now i nitpick it all, and if its not one thing, its another.
Oh yeah forgot to upload my price guide.
what do the 3 numbers mean?
price Low Mid High
in USA
frick my ass im an idiot... frickin cant make an image because when i resize it goes to ants...
whats lossless like png but not fricking annoying?
how's the p5x keyboard different, i thought all nu-pad keyboards were the same
P50 felt better than the W550s, & T460p I had.
Maybe in between T430s & T420s but not as good as the latter.
The frame just felt really good, I think thats what it was, pretty sturdy & no fricking drop hinges or the entire bottom being removable as a cover.
There wasn't any flex much, felt like a sturdy to type on like a W500 and not like a W700 or cheap palmrest feeling like the W520/30.
I don't remember the FRU, my dad has it now, so i'll have to check back & review it.
huh, so it's about the frame? i'm glad i bought a p51 then. i hope it's sturdy enough to last me through college.
Ya frame feels good.
ive been thru hell with my W550s, i think you'll be fine in your bag. My T460p shit the bed one day and the screen stopped working. it was so weird, i think one of the boomers i live with, broke it. idk.
literally left it on sleep on my chair, come back blank screen.
pic related, it working on my T430s. It has a strange fade like if its a old CRT... my AFFS X31 has this problem & it seemed to come from just being in storage on a bookshelf? idk.
i havent used linux in a long time, nor on modern hardware so I cant really say.
I would check dell forums before so.
I would say so. Years back the X220 and X230 was recommended for programming, T460 is newer, more performance & will get the job done.
There was a fellow who was able to run GTAV off his X220 w/ an eGPU setup. ya the video card was overkill but... the dual core didn't slug it down either.
You may be able to snag a T470 with a 6th gen CPU (same as T460 offering), but itll have DDR4 RAM, which is faster but I think a bit more power hungry.
I thought about getting a T470/X270 but in my country its really hard to find one, I was lucky to find the T460 in a good condition. I really appreciate your reply.
Ah damn... cant really help then, since im in the US, these machines are being thrown out faster than you can steal them.
if you're looking at other machines, I'm not familiar with later Dell machines, but I do know that the 7250 or 7260 have a leaky FHD touch screen that just leaks goopy shit like the X61 tablet SXGA+
Maybe a latitude 5560 or 5570 may suffice, I think the 5460 and 5470 can come in quadcore. However I don't know how different their build quality is since the E6440 died. i remember the E5430 being Thinkpad Edge tier......
No clue on any Elitebook, Zbook G3 15 was a bit underwelming but it's build was pretty nice. but idk if you'll find one cheap.
ok this is correect
To replace the keyboard for a backlight/non-backlight is really easy.There is a mod with the T25 anniversary keyboard. But it's not an easy mod, and good luck ever finding a T25 keyboard on Ebay
Make our own? Not true hacker if don't diy.
depends, T480 starts around $300 and I'd look elsewhere after $470...
You got 7th gen Kaby lake and quadcore 8th gen Kaby Lake R on these systems.
fricking lelnovo, why can't they make stuff like this instead of shitty macbook clones?
they made the x1 fold last year, that was pretty innovative
fair enough, although it seems a bit fragile imo, hope that's not the case
Looking for laptops to buy and saw the reviews, but what does IQfy think about X240?
I was kinda wanting one at first, but 8gb max, undervolted soldered cpu, and the shit trackpad kinda steered me away from it. my T440p is fine.
That trackpad is not haptic -- it's mechanical and moves up ad down. It sucks with the trackpoint and trying to scroll with the trackpoint. Would wither look for a later model with the fixed buttons or expect to replace it at some point.
I recently purchased an AMD ThinkPad T14 Gen 3. What am I in for?
Hi guis. I have a 6 year old Thinkpad T450. It served me well. Few years back noticed the outside battery is swelling just a bit. It has not changed since I made that observation.
Went to lookup a replacement bat, but Lenovo stopped making them. What is a good source for batteries that wont burn my house down?
There's plenty of new genuine lenovo batteries still floating around even if lenovo themselves don't sell them anymore.
link?
What does ThinkPad General use?
There's no we in IQfy but kingsener batteries always get mentioned here. There's ebay and such. Don't be stupid anon. You can search these things on your own.
>Don't be stupid anon. You can search these things on your own.
True but, since this is the General, I figured anons here can chime in on their experiences with different aftermarket batteries. It's a reasonable request.
My battery still works and the swelling has not changed for about a few years. THe internal battery does not appear to have any issues. I assume the cycle count on the external battery is higher since it is the once that get discharged first.
The battery question gets asked like 50 times every thread. Either ctrl+f or search it up on eBay or other local sites, there is no magic voodoo battery shop that sells Lenovo batteries for pennies
been awhile since i needed a non-OEM battery, but I would just pay the $50 for an OEM-ish type you see on there. Like one with the lenovo logos and all. or $30+ for non-OEM as long as they have a clear warranty/return policy.
havent had a dud other than buying a NOS X1 carbon battery, which ended up having 70% depletion (fricking nothing for battery life vs something newer).
If you are going to install your own OS, knock out $$ as if it doesn't have an OS. Don't pay the preloaded software premium if you can DIY.
Found T470 batteries on ebay, does depend on where you live for availability. Not so much an issue in the UK
https://lenovo.encompass.com/model/LEN20BU/
Found it at my local pawn shop, worth it?
32gb and i7 is pretty great for a w520, ask about the resolution, if its a 1080p lcd, you got a bargain
Seems promising then, I think I'll just bring a bunch of old trash to sell and try to snag it for around 150€.
Too bad it's running win11 but I wanted to clean install win7 anyways.
I don't understand how anyone could ever use the os install their used computer came with. Literally the first thing you should do is nuke the hard drive.
I mean If it had win7 or 10 I would just clean format it, prob replace the hard drive too.
I'm in Portugal, this is from a chain of spanish pawn shops, from what my friends say it's pretty trustworthy. I feel like the advantage of the pawn shop is being able to trade in trash for what can become a big discount. I'll definitely look around for recent models and such but from what I know most Thinkpads here in Portugal are owned by companies and such and it's not very common to find good deals on used thinkpads online.
True
yeah just grab the iso and clean install it. you will want to update it to get the latest ssl/tls fixes, the use something like ancile to remove the bad shit. I think there is some bios mods you can do to it too, I would do research on that first.
nearly 300 euro is far too much
I'm not so sure. I paid 100 EUR for my W530. Granted, it was bought "as is" and turned out to be completely working and I also got 16GB of RAM that I didn't pay for, but still. Even assuming that the GPU is the stronger variant, the i7 is one of the quad-core models and the screen is 1080p with wide color gamut, I wouldn't really call that a bargain, just a good offer within the market price.
true, check ebay first
Suppose it’s relative to the prices in their country, but I would imagine they can probably get a T480 for near that price, or a T440p etc etc, so depends if the W520 has any specific features they’re after, but in my experience, pawn shops like that are always steep
Also I forgot but the wide color gamut is defo a very attractive feature for me, I do some video editing/graphic design and it'd be nice to have a budget option if I need to do anything on the go.
Any other models with a good quality display?
Thanks in advance.
thats about 300 dollars in USD. If it works (can you test it) might be a good buy..
Thank you. Might be old but if it's new...Might be what I want.
If the RAM is not corrupted and it's 1080p, go for it. There's plenty things to make sure of in these laptops, you better run the usual checklist even if it's from a pawn shop. Things like BIOS password check, computrace check, chassis cracks and hinges check. It's not the best price but considering they have seemingly increased rather than gotten lower, it's an acceptable price. Just make sure you know what you're getting into. I was considering letting go of mine lately due to the summer heat.
Ah, if you can, I'd check the serial on lenovo's website too, that's an easy one. You can tell which keyboard and screen panel it mounts without even booting it or disassembling it, unless somebody changed stuff, which is unlikely (check if screws are a bit stripped)
Do they ship to Portugal? It's impossible to find a good pawn shop over here brother
Is T460 good in 2022?
I still use my W550s for shitposting & lightroom no bigger than 24MP jpeg or RAW files. Typin on it now 😀
It just depends on your budget, purpose & life expectation b4 upgrading.
>good screen
>decent color
>response times
extremely generic terms, go ask that to any salesperson & they'll give you a generic 1080p laptop that meets those expectations.
For the masses, response time is not required.
Some laptops are just built for one thing over the other at lower/cheaper configurations, at the expense of other peformances.
Thinkpads are not known for screen response times either, systems are barely hitting the Dolby HDR standard, and now there's HDR 400, 500, 600 whatever the frick they say.
Some 15 or 16" machines may have the response time you want, as well as color accuracy, brightness and contrast ratio, but for those UHD or WQXGA types, its probably gonna be $2000 for them. I don't think you can configure a T15 in the way you want.
I cant stand my Precision 7730 because of its FHD display, I'll use my 3K panel on the W550s because of the higher PPI, (also frick the 1440p panel on the T470p). Get the later, you'll be editing on AC anyways, & you can always scale down under battery.
That Libretto is so cool, reminded me I need to restore mine, just need a hard drive (or CF card?) and chuck and OS on it now
>Some 15 or 16" machines may have the response time you want, as well as color accuracy, brightness and contrast ratio, but for those UHD or WQXGA types, its probably gonna be $2000 for them. I don't think you can configure a T15 in the way you want.
But I've just mentioned that the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i has a fantastic screen. 400 nit, 100% sRGB, great response time, 90 Hz. The laptop is less than $1000. And the specs are decent. Why can't more manufacturers do this? Apple is about the only one that passes.
>I cant stand my Precision 7730 because of its FHD display, I'll use my 3K panel on the W550s because of the higher PPI, (also frick the 1440p panel on the T470p). Get the later, you'll be editing on AC anyways, & you can always scale down under battery.
Hmh that would make 1700 for a new xps 15 9510.
Does NVIDIA Optimus run half decent under current linux or is it still shit so I'd have to deactivate the GPU when I don't use it?
Well I am going to use the T460 for some light programming and browsing on linux, I hope it will be able to handle it.
Why is it acceptable for a screen on a $1000+ laptop to have 35+ms pixel response time? Where can I find a laptop that has a good screen and decent color + response time? I recently came across the Lenovo Yoga Slim Pro 7i which has a great display. Seems to be the only one in its class that does.
Lads, FHD+ with matte display or UHD with glossy on a xps 15? The price would increase from 1500 to 1700 euros. I want to use it to install Linux on it for coding and developing RAW images. The UHD one seems to be the better choice for that even though the battery life will suffer under it.
Thinkpad T470 i5 6th gen, is it shit?
I know frick all about laptops, I want to buy one for college that will last ~4 years and I can do everything on, including gaming.
I am currently looking at 2 options:
>Omen 15:
AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX
NVIDIA RTX 3070 8GB
16 GB DDR4 3200 MHz
1TB M.2 NVMe SSD
15.6" 2560 x 1440 IPS 165Hz
>Legion 5
AMD Ryzen 5 5600H
NVIDIA RTX 3070 8GB
16 GB DDR4 2133 MHz
1TB M.2 NVMe SSD
15.6" 1920 x 1080 IPS 165Hz
They are the same price nearby vendor. Which one would you recommend?
The Legion 5 seems quite a bit bulkier and has a worse screen, but it looks a bit sturdier.
Those aren't thinkpads
No. a Ford Focus isn't a ford truck, no a Chevy Aveo isn't a Chevy truck.
We recommend buying off lease, used laptops, without warranty.
With that said, get the one with the longer warranty. IMO the Omen seems to be a better machine if they are the same price, purely off CPU/LCD options.
the frick you need a RTX 3070 for college? What games are you seriously considering to play during college? Do the hard work now, try not to dig into debt, & play when you make the big money.
Not fricking b***hes in college? Not finessing boomers on side gigs & hustling other college students on small work?
you should be able to find a decent used machine for $600 to get u thru college if you don't need to game. Seriously get a switch. last thing u want is your laptop overheating and dying bc u gamed on highest settings & ur running to the library to remake your 10 page essay you didn't save on a thumb drive.
I generally picked the competitor over lenovo's gaming laptop, their specs just don't have enough. Also if this is for college, you should just get some cheap laptop for writing stuff and uploading to the college server, you don't need to spend 2k on a laptop for college.
Why are you asking about two non-ThinkPads here?
NTA, but there's not really a laptop general so I guess they come asking here instead
Yeah, suppose that all makes sense. They should get an older ThinkPad and use eGPU :^)
>projection incoming.
because Thinkpadders give good advice but consumers get mad when you don't recommend brand new, over price bullshit that will sell for 20% to 50% of the MSRP after six months, but they get mad that they can't find the fricking deal or wait, & need to get it now, & want warranty that will just end up expiring and their laptop will shit the bed a month after it expires because they never let their battery deplete to 0 before & they freak out over seeing the RTC bios clock error & then get mad that it restarts over and over and they simply just cant let it charge for a few minutes because their power adapter is below what the laptop requires because their original one broke & they went with an amazon basic, & then they got the online storage plan & then they get upset that the free trial ended & they are upset that the 3 months of warning, sent every fricking week warned them the files will be deleted & so when they pay they find out they have nothing & so they'll just pay a "hacker" to hack amazon buckets for $50 when it's just a fricking glowie looking for the next domestic terrorist & ploys them to download PC stuff & narcotics & 3D gun info so they can get slammed into jail, all because they wanted to frickin play fortfrickingnite & be fricking TRASH at it.
DO NOT BUY THE OMEN
I had one, there is a global defect where keys on the keyboard stop working. Also its just a terrible laptop
I have both. Omen is trash. Legion is probably the best laptop I've owned. Sturdy and fast. Great cooling, don't look terrible. Go for legion.
The Legion is more Thinkpad-y than the modern Thinkpads, why this?
Why do your expect a consumer to know that
Would have gotten the Legion if it didn't say Legion over it, knowing that its gamer trash in the end
Good for you
I am going to by a thinkpad without an OS in real life. Is it possible to load a live usb with some Ubuntu without installing it on a drive to check a battery or ssd health ?
I test my HDD/SSDs with parted magic.
it costs like $20 or so for the latest version, majorgeeks has a 2013 rip that does the same stuff. i can't remember if I cant test battery life, maybe with the hardware ID program, but I don't necessarily remember it being well (windows gay here).
I think you can basically do the same shit with ubuntu, but you get that fricking UI and setup shit... I'd assume to configure the live USB to have what that is needed.
Bought my first thinkpad today, a W530 with a 15.6" screen, 16gb ram and 2.70ghz cpu off an auction on ebay. Got it for $129.50 usd, was this a good deal? What do these usually go for
Seems like you did pretty good
Excellent deal man!!
get an mSATA SSD and/or a 2.5" SSD if you want to dual boot.
use it and have fun with it.
There could be worse, forgot what I sold it for. But I just pick generic thinkpad backgrounds when i sold them b4 windows bing 10 backgrounds.
An uncle of mine gave me his old x200 he didn't want anymore. I already have a maxed out x230, so what the frick do I do with it? Is a Core 2 Duo strong enough to host game servers? Maybe I could do that. I just want to find a purpose to it, instead of instantly shelving it.
>Eat hot food on thinkpad
>Frick up the screen
Damn it...
Just bought a FHD display for my T440p, however the backlight does not seem to work for the new display. I switched back to the original display and the backlight seemed to work, which leads me to believe the issue is not a blown motherboard fuse. Any idea what the problem might be?
you could of bought the wrong display or its faulty. Doesn't light up under bios at all?
T420 with the coreboot magic to upgrade to ivy quadcore.
you're better off with an 11e.
those ULV AMD cpus from 2011 ain't the biz.
T480s and other 8th gen machines have a USB-C issue, that did have a firmware update but some still say there are problems. With that said i don't think it is worse than a T61 w/ nVidia grahics.
$30 is a steal when they get picked up for starting around $100 to be resold for at least $200 with libreboot.
Haven't had a 6800 but someone complained about how sharp the palmrest that it bugged their wrists.
I personally got a Precision 7730 and it's a fair machine other than the meh keyboard & its annoying to press FN + arrow up or down to control the backlight instead any top row function key like all other laptops.
is 8th gen usb-c issue a windows only thing?
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-statement-Thunderbolt-firmware-responsible-for-ThinkPad-USB-C-failures.451307.0.html
I mean not really but chances are that if you're running linux you're not updating your system firmware every time someone drops an update.
is there any replaceable amd's cpu laptop?
just copped a t430 and charger for like $89, gonna swap to a t420 kb, throw in more ram and a quad core i7 soon. any resources like octoperf for t430 upgrades?
the x220 jp keyboard i bought from aliexpress arrived today
seems to be a chicony one from part no
blocked the 3 pins with black vinyl electric tape and put it in my x230
everything working as expected, it didn't smoke keyboard or motherboard
the keys seem to be painted with a new layer of chineseium and the trackpoint rubber is fake, but they keyboard itself is legit and everything including trackpoint scroll works
link to kb?
Should I get t420 or t430?
>Thinkpad T420s
>xfce4
>close laptop lid
>open lid
>login manager pops up
>enter login
>either loops at the login screen or black screen.
What the frick do I do.
Ask this in the GNU/linux thread, you'll get more help.
is t480s good? i need a new linux couch machine
Don't do it. Absolutely avoid buying second hand thinkpads newer than -20 series.
I got manfunctioning i/o on T480 and worst thing is that the bios won't even report anything.
i was actually seeking confirmation bias so i'll disregard your advice
Is X120e a good notebook for browsing and light programming?
Managed to snag a T580. Any mods worth doing to it?
sometimes my laptop won't start, black screen , keyboard leds flash. I bang it and it turns on. Sometimes it just turns off randomly. other times my screen freezes and i see green pixels.
Sometimes it won't power off till i unplug it and take the battery off, other times i gotta press the power button a few seconds to get it to turn on.
What is happen to my chinkpad bros?
You got chink'd.
i still really want one of these but i feel like the gimmick would get old fast, and i’d just go back to my t420
Yeah, I've got a non-tablet X60 and I love the look and feel, but in the end my X230 is just more convenient.
Same for tablet convertibles. I have a modern Dell 2-in-1 and I've only used it in tablet mode a couple times, and that's even with the benefit of newer touchscreen technology.
what is laptop?
What is the point of posting this here
I need to know what is it laptop. mb it's thinkpd
frick off pajeet
1) Are all Thunderbolt Firmware Problem models (about gen 5 to gen 7) ticking timebombs which can force motherboard repair at any time or is this problem fixed for good on any model listed on official website?
2) T420, T520, W510, W701/ds, W520, T430, T530, W530, T440p, T540p, W540/1 - are these the only models with 16+ GB RAM and socketed processors?
For 1) I was thinking about Carbons when I listed gens, I mean should I steer far away from all of those? https://support.lenovo.com/pl/en/solutions/ht508988-critical-intel-thunderbolt-software-and-firmware-updates-thinkpad
What is THIS laptop dear esl-kun.
It's clearly not a thinkpad btw.
What's a good Linux laptop with great battery life?
What's your budget
prob around $800?
And what is your usecase
youtube videos and programming, maybe light gaming
is this bait?
this is the most common usecase anyone gives when they ask about laptops
>is this bait
How new are you
very
Welcome
bump
..no? What else do you do with a laptop?
Anyone here own Precision M6800? What are your thoughts on it? I'm considering it over a Thinkpad workstation because of the bigger screen and upgradeable GPU. Lenovo had a significant break in making those 17-inch worstation to the point where they're either too weak or too expensive for my budget.
Just picked up an X220 with a dead battery (works fine on wall power) for 60 leafbucks - what recommendations for a decent replacement batter?
chinese off amazon, then use ec flash?
Is a beat up x200 worth 30 bucks? A guy I know is selling his for that price. It's functional, just a lot of scratches and a couple cracks on the base and lid. It still has the stock configuration, but I already have most of the parts I'll need to upgrade it. Should I get it?
Where do you get your nipples?
I've just gotten a t420 and the trackpoint has had it's nipple removed
What's a good current thinkpad with an aspect ratio like 16:10 or 3:2 or 4:3?
T14 Gen 3 is 16:10, so is X1 Carbon Gen 10.
T16 is as well, but idk if the T15 Gen 3 will be or not (not released yet), the 2nd gen is 16:9.
The X1 Tablets are 3:2 but there isn't one that is currently made i think.
image is for older thinkpads pulled from my thinkpad guide for what kind of screen you can get.
Helpful, thanks.
will you ever finish the new price guide?
I think i finished the spreadsheet in April and then finsished the image in June here
When it it came to updating the page, because I changed how I grouped thinkpads, I couldn't just cut and paste Version 4 to Ver 6... so midway of the page I just stopped. Maybe I'll just paste some more of the spreadsheet and no lil info about it. idk 🙁
Is anyone here (t430 cpu swap)-pilled here?
>Core i7 2670QM replacement burns hot as a furnace in hell
So I fell for the t430 4 core cpu replacement meme. I bought a used t430 off ebay and replaced the cpu with a Intel Core i7 2670QM I bought off ebay for $60. I glued it to the heat sink using liquid metal thermal paste because the stock heat sink wasn't designed to cool a quad core and the temps regularly hoovered around 95c. After adding the liquid metal paste temps regularly hung around 72c to 85c which is an improvement but still not ideal. Is there any way to fight these temps further? I've read online about replacement fans for the t430 with higher heat transfer, does anyone have experience with such?
>Keyboard
Bought a replacement classic keyboard to swap with the shitty island style chicklet keyboard that comes with the t430, however I didn't realize virtually every single "new" classic series keyboard you buy online are actually fake chinese imitation keyboards. The fake replacement I got by a brand named 'sunmall' and it feels like absolute crap, it only looks like the classic keyboard but feels like absolute stiff and flimsy garbage. So I guess I'm going to try to find a extremely cheap broken t420 off ebay with a lightly used looking keyboard so I can swap it with a genuine real lenovo made keyboard.
>battery & cable
Got a replacement charging cable off amazon too and again it's not an actual lenovo cable it's some shitty chinese replica and the power brick on it gets hot...like SCARY HOT (it literally burns to the touch and feels like a fricking hot stove top). It gets so hot it's legitimately freaking me out, as in: I don't feel comfortable just leaving it plugged in while I sleep at night. So my question is what should I do about buying a replacement battery? Because I don't want to buy some fake chinese shit battery which gets fricked up levels hot and fries my laptop or worse burns my entire house down while I'm asleep. What the frick do I do here?
>buy a t480 instead
>do 0 hardware mods
>live happy life
they hated jesus because he told the truth
>liquid metal
>laptop
At least it makes some sense when you're trying to double the tdp of your processor but I once bought a pentium 3 laptop that someone put liquid metal on. Now that's just stupid.
can you not run one of the 35w ivy bridge quads in a t430?
Sir please can you name any of those?
3612qm and 3632qm are the only two i think; you can find them in thinkpad e530 and lenovo z580 amongst other laptops, if you can't find them cheaply otherwise
IQfy approved laptop with God tier touchpad (yes really)?
Any t440p tried to upgrade the cooling system? I'm rocking a 4712mq with stock cooler, and it runs in the 60°C while compiling.
that doesn't sound bad at all though
wtf USB-C is magic
>need just ONE cable going from 4K Samsung LS27A800U to T480 and everything just works
where do i get a thinkpad for <$200 besides ebay and craigslist? there's nothing on craigslist and i'd rather not have to play the game of not getting scammed on ebay.
try offer up or facebook marketplace for local scams.
Find an electronic recycler & bug all of them if they sell computers or electronics.
dont accept the bullshit that they dont resell equipment. yeah im really gonna believe they recycle laptops for $10 each or $1 a pound.
local flea markets
Is dell latitude 5xxx better than thinkpads t15x? For the money ofc
alright guys, I got myself new computer so, I can start experimenting with my old x201s. What light linux distro will fit it best?
lubuntu
Nice thread name coombrain
completely new to buying computers, is the x270 a good one ? the most intensive thing i'd do is play light games (rpgmaker games at most), and i'll mostly use it to write stuff
it's pretty alright, although for writing i think an x230 with the keyboard mod would be a better pick
I have a T14 Gen 1 for over a year now and I realise that some stuff seemed to have been collected under the keyboard keys and also around the edges of the touchpad. How do you guys get under there and clean it up or is it ok to just leave it? It's some dust and small stuff.
>remove kb
>brush dried up cum and doritos away with a brush
>wipe clean with a a bit of ipa/plain water and let dry
Or something like that. It's not that hard anon please. Literally just remove the crud.
Z13, thoughts?
I get a deal with work and to be honest finding 32gb semi business laptop is hard in the uk.
The advertised battery life is a major selling point for me.
The keyboard and trackpoint are fricked up beyond repair. It also looks stupid. They just keep butchering the brand the best they can.
Open to suggestions.
Needs something with 13-14 screen, current amd for battery life 11+ hours and 32gb ram. Resolution would be nice.
For some moronic reason most companies dont sell 32gb machines in uk.
wait, they removed the physical trackpoint buttons AGAIN? didn't they learn after the last time they tried that shit?
My first thought, chinks never learn?
They didn't even stop there. They removed a couple buttons from the keyboard too. It's like they really do hate what everyone else liked about the classic thinkpads and made this flashy gold/leather thing with a keyboard ripped straight out of a 300€ hp laptop.
Hi I am no longer scary and I actually help the protagonist.
You do not happen to be israeli, right?
What spec do i go for when I need laptop for my shed to program CNC and printer.
Need to use solidworks, Browser, Cura, IDE and will use laptop "docked" with dual 1080p60hz pannels with 4 usb ports for Mouse, kb, 2.5 inch portable hdd, usb card reader.
I think any intel 4core with integrated graphics from 6th gen or later will be ok.
locally there is thinkpad x1 touch 4k ips without 360 degree hinge with i5 8250u for 400 usd?
On other hand there are a lot of new devices like GPD and steamdeck with amd soc. Maybe amd soc would be better for longrun.
is e120x any good ?
Thinkpad X13s
Thots?
>toy CPU
>long battery asf
>linux arm
>I can dunk on kiddies on Fornite mobile
Literally for word processing and the odd thumbnail and short youtube edit.
My only complain is IO is piss poor.
>he thinks he'll be able to install linux arm
Yes they already said boot loader isn't locked moron.
that doesn't mean linux supports it moron. or that it ever will, for that matter. lots of phones have unlocked bootloaders and no one ever made an effort to port mainline linux kernel to them
Linux ARM moron its literally Linux kernel for ARM are you mentally deficient!?
You have no idea what you are talking about, I would just quit arguing. I'm not the anon you re arguing with BTW I'm just letting you know
Right. The kernel. The kernel isn't an OS
how rare is an x60 with core 2 duo really?
I never knew I could love a machine until I got my X220
God I love it so much
Got a e14 gen2 amd pretty cheap second-hand (450$, but that's cheap in Russia, all other e14s were like 700+)
Bargained because of a small "scratch" on the screen, the seller tried to wipe it off, didn't succeed, lowered the price.
I came home, and turns out it was just a pretty stuck-on dirt. Nice.
Compared to my previous machine -- a t420, this one has a way better screen (will probably still mod a 1080p IPS screen into the t420 and give it to my parents), better portability in the thickness/weight sense, stuff like that.
What I don't like is that changing the keyboard is waaay more hard to change now, the battery is internal and that the speakers are facing down. Other than that -- a pretty nice machine to be honest. Build quality is on par with my old t420 to be quite honest. The top and bottom covers are aluminium, and everything else is a quite sturdy plastic. Virtually no flex both in the keyboard and in the deck itself.
Seems like E-series are quite nice on newer machines.
what ports do i need to make sure i have on my thinkpad to use any peripheral i want in the future? like i think i need a thunderbolt port to use a dock for multiple displays? but i don't need a smart card reader if i can buy an external reader.
would like to experiment with having an older thinkpad to work on.
Needs to be able to run selenium scripts well and mayyyyybe do some threading.
What's recommended based on that?
It is currentyear and the i5 in my x230 is still better than a Chromebook. Frick Macgays and frick Googlets.
I DO NOT NEED MORE.
>35w vs 6w
I agree with you though
true, the power consumption is a shame, but I have noticed that I am never in a situation where I really need more than 4-5 hrs.
>Have a thinkpad T14 for work
>Decide to do some work outside because I may be a programmer but I'm not a complete shut-in
>The heat from the sunlight causes the mousepad to temporarily stop working
It's a nice laptop but that annoyed me.
I fell for it bros... hope the trackpoint "buttons" are usable and the keyboard is good enough.