What's so hard to understand about the Kaaba? It's literally just for when all muslims around the world pray, they face the same direction. Otherwise, muslims would just pray each facing the direction they wish. It's about unity and tawheed.
There's nothing inside the Kaaba.
1. The Black Stone was sent down by Allaah to this earth from Paradise.
It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Black Stone came down from Paradise.”
(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877; al-Nasaa’i, 2935. The hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi).
2. The Stone was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.
It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When the Black Stone came down from Paradise, it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.”
(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877; Ahmad, 2792. Classed as saheeh by Ibn Khuzaymah, 4/219. Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar classed it as qawiy (strong) in Fath al-Baari, 3/462).
(a) Al-Mubaarakfoori said in al-Marqaah: This means, the sins of the sons of Adam who touched the stone, caused it to turn black. The hadeeth should be taken at face value, because there is no reason not to, either narrated in a report or by virtue of common sense.
(Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi, 3/525)
(b) Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said: Some heretics tried to criticize this hadeeth by saying: How come the sins of the mushrikeen turned it black and the worship of the people of Tawheed did not make it white?
I answer by quoting what Ibn Qutaybah said: If Allaah had willed, that would have happened. But Allaah has caused it to be the case that black usually changes other colours and its not itself changed, which is the opposite to what happens with white.
(c) Al-Muhibb al-Tabari said: The fact that it is black is a lesson for those who have insight. If sins can have this effect on an inanimate rock, then the effect they have on the heart is greater.
See Fath al-Baari, 3/463
3. The Black Stone will come forth on the Day of Resurrection and will testify in favour of those who touched it in truth.
>I constructed the universe with might, and I am expanding it.
Qur'an 51:47
Yes i do. It's been 1400 years since we muslims already know that Allah is expanding the universe, just like your science people have claimed in the 20th century
Its so hard for me to process your religion.
Some want to behead infidels, some dont.
Some are pro-science, some arent.
Youre so divided on things, I dont know where to start.
I bet you feel the same way about christianity, same are liberals, some are conservatives, some are whatever, thousands of denominations.
Seems like God is right and wrong at the same time.
Its strange, seems israelite there is no divine truth, its just..all opinions of people.
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It's almost like m*notheism can be used to justify anything you want
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Based knower, we must banish abr*hamism and expand the dharmic religions to bring people in line with their natural tendency to appreciate the world around them. repression of this instinct leads to violence.
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You're right about most of that except this:
>Some want to behead infidels, some dont.
The amount of people who want to randomly kill disbelievers is not even 1%.
Most people need valid reasons to justify violence and simply being non-Muslim isn't one of them.
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>Some want to behead infidels, some dont.
someone never met a muslim irl
The verse in Arabic is written in third person and does not mention the Universe, why are you so deceitful.
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"universe" is a valid translation for [as-sama'a], as is "sky" or "heavens"; it's distinct from the term [jennah] which is referring to heaven in the afterlife
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So which one is it? Universe or sky? Because those two are completely different things. If you're telling me that in Arabic you use the same word for sky as the one you use fo universe, then that seems like a very poorly constructed language.
>universe" is a valid translation
Valid according to whom? Who determined that and who has the authority to dictate that? In one you have the Quran making a very striking revelation of unknown scientific knowledge at the time and in the other you have a completely false statement, the sky is not "expanding" in any sense, it's just there. It can't be one or the other, so which one is it?
Then yo uget the same shit with israelites and Christians how hard is it not to worship an idol.
>Literally worships the quran. Not the message, the book itself >Literally worships a rock.
Literally not Islam
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>Firmament,
Then the text is wrong. >heavens,
Also wrong. >space
Also wrong, space is infinite, all the matter in that space is getting further away from each other and that is what is "expanding".
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>space is infinite
How can something expand if it's infinite?
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It's not space that is expanding, it's the matter contained inside it that moving away from each other, in that way is "expanding", galaxies are moving farther away from each other. But it doesn't matter since this also is contrary to the idea of "expansion" that the Quran presents, as in the text seems to say that Allah is not done creating things but he continues to make new things and "expand" creation, but this is also wrong since new matter or energy is not being created, why do you think the concept of the heat death of the universe is even a thing?
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According to scientific consensus, you are wrong. The universe itself is expanding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_the_universe
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/the-universe-is-expanding-faster-than-it-should-be
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>The universe does not expand "into" anything and does not require space to exist "outside" it. This expansion involves neither space nor objects in space "moving" in a traditional sense, but rather it is the metric (which governs the size and geometry of spacetime itself) that changes in scale.
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> Ackshually, the universe came from nothing and doesn't expand into anything, it just changes in scale for some reason.
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>the universe came from nothing
the universe has always existed, there isn't a time where there isn't a universe. the universe changed from one state to another during the big bang.
try and reinterpret the quran to fit this lol
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I'm simply quoting the exact same sources that you cited, bro.
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>> Ackshually, the universe came from nothing and doesn't expand into anything, it just changes in scale for some reason.
Unironically, yeah. Pretty much, I don't care how much of this contradicts what it says in your magic book.
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>my creation myth is better than your creation myth
do 80IQs really brahs?
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Why do Muslims seethe so hard when they get raped by their own sources, lmao
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For centuries Muslims have resorted to threats of violence the instant they're confronted with a question they're incapable of answering satisfactorily. Their incessant seething is nothing more than displays of their impotence online.
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Funny coming the liberal secular atheist who killed 30 million people since WW2 and wiped out Christianity in the West in less than 50 years.
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How's that related to what he said
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yeah, i thought we are discussing "a fricking rock" also, silly me
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Stonehenge had way more rocks than just the popular ones
Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
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So why then do christians insist the earth is flat?
abraham, not adam. muslims believe adam met eve on some mountain near that area. that's why the pilgrimage ritual includes going to that mountain. another venerated magical rock.
hard to see why some haplogroup A savanna dweller would go all the way to arabia to have sex
to be fair, israelites used to write God's name in a pen that have never wrote anything before and throw it away right afterwards.
although islam is a meme religion where they worship humans and rocks
When I was a kid I always thought the Kaaba was the stone itself and I thought it was super cool that Muslims just had this giant black obelisk that they did all the rituals around. I was very disappointed to learn that it's just a building and that the stone is not that big at all.
I am always amused by the fact they take almost no care to make the roof of that place look good. I almost expect to see some broken lawn chairs up there.
>a fricking piece of metal >a fricking slip of paper >a fricking bundle of parchment >a fricking assemblage of letters and figures
do you get what I'm getting at?
You don't get it. Money is just like the Kaaba is a cultural icon. It has the use of uniting the islamic people of the world under one symbol. That's the point. Just like currency has an agreed upon value, an icon does too. It's very ignorant of you to dismiss the icons you don't like because they don't serve a utilitarian, lizard brain "purpose" that you abritrarly decide is worthy. Who are you to decide its value?
Funfact: the qibla (direction of prayer) in islam actually used to be Jerusalem (the holy city of the old covenant). By God's command, this was changed to Mecca towards the Ka'aba (the house of God built by Abraham and Ismael). Perhaps this was also to symbolise the new covenant. Allah knows best.
Anyway, this is interesting, because the book of Revelations predicts a "new jerusalem". Which is a cube.
BBC (Big Black Cube)
GCN (Giant Cube homie)
NOOOOOOOOO YOU DUN UNDERSTAN BROTZZER, KISSING AND PRYAING TO STONE IS TOTALLY NOT WORSHIPSING IS PURE ADORATISON
What's so hard to understand about the Kaaba? It's literally just for when all muslims around the world pray, they face the same direction. Otherwise, muslims would just pray each facing the direction they wish. It's about unity and tawheed.
There's nothing inside the Kaaba.
is that a toilet for arapoos and pajeets who live there?
Looks like a bathroom
>penis skin
1. The Black Stone was sent down by Allaah to this earth from Paradise.
It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Black Stone came down from Paradise.”
(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877; al-Nasaa’i, 2935. The hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi).
2. The Stone was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.
It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When the Black Stone came down from Paradise, it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.”
(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877; Ahmad, 2792. Classed as saheeh by Ibn Khuzaymah, 4/219. Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar classed it as qawiy (strong) in Fath al-Baari, 3/462).
(a) Al-Mubaarakfoori said in al-Marqaah: This means, the sins of the sons of Adam who touched the stone, caused it to turn black. The hadeeth should be taken at face value, because there is no reason not to, either narrated in a report or by virtue of common sense.
(Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi, 3/525)
(b) Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said: Some heretics tried to criticize this hadeeth by saying: How come the sins of the mushrikeen turned it black and the worship of the people of Tawheed did not make it white?
I answer by quoting what Ibn Qutaybah said: If Allaah had willed, that would have happened. But Allaah has caused it to be the case that black usually changes other colours and its not itself changed, which is the opposite to what happens with white.
(c) Al-Muhibb al-Tabari said: The fact that it is black is a lesson for those who have insight. If sins can have this effect on an inanimate rock, then the effect they have on the heart is greater.
See Fath al-Baari, 3/463
3. The Black Stone will come forth on the Day of Resurrection and will testify in favour of those who touched it in truth.
You believe them at facevalue?
Those writers who wrote about that stone, do you believe them automatically just like that, without any evidence?
>I constructed the universe with might, and I am expanding it.
Qur'an 51:47
Yes i do. It's been 1400 years since we muslims already know that Allah is expanding the universe, just like your science people have claimed in the 20th century
>It's been 1400 years since we muslims already know that Allah is expanding the universe
then why didn't they proposed it until now
Its so hard for me to process your religion.
Some want to behead infidels, some dont.
Some are pro-science, some arent.
Youre so divided on things, I dont know where to start.
I bet you feel the same way about christianity, same are liberals, some are conservatives, some are whatever, thousands of denominations.
Seems like God is right and wrong at the same time.
Its strange, seems israelite there is no divine truth, its just..all opinions of people.
It's almost like m*notheism can be used to justify anything you want
Based knower, we must banish abr*hamism and expand the dharmic religions to bring people in line with their natural tendency to appreciate the world around them. repression of this instinct leads to violence.
You're right about most of that except this:
>Some want to behead infidels, some dont.
The amount of people who want to randomly kill disbelievers is not even 1%.
Most people need valid reasons to justify violence and simply being non-Muslim isn't one of them.
>Some want to behead infidels, some dont.
someone never met a muslim irl
The verse in Arabic is written in third person and does not mention the Universe, why are you so deceitful.
"universe" is a valid translation for [as-sama'a], as is "sky" or "heavens"; it's distinct from the term [jennah] which is referring to heaven in the afterlife
So which one is it? Universe or sky? Because those two are completely different things. If you're telling me that in Arabic you use the same word for sky as the one you use fo universe, then that seems like a very poorly constructed language.
>universe" is a valid translation
Valid according to whom? Who determined that and who has the authority to dictate that? In one you have the Quran making a very striking revelation of unknown scientific knowledge at the time and in the other you have a completely false statement, the sky is not "expanding" in any sense, it's just there. It can't be one or the other, so which one is it?
Firmament, heavens, space, same thing
>Literally worships the quran. Not the message, the book itself
>Literally worships a rock.
Literally not Islam
>Firmament,
Then the text is wrong.
>heavens,
Also wrong.
>space
Also wrong, space is infinite, all the matter in that space is getting further away from each other and that is what is "expanding".
>space is infinite
How can something expand if it's infinite?
It's not space that is expanding, it's the matter contained inside it that moving away from each other, in that way is "expanding", galaxies are moving farther away from each other. But it doesn't matter since this also is contrary to the idea of "expansion" that the Quran presents, as in the text seems to say that Allah is not done creating things but he continues to make new things and "expand" creation, but this is also wrong since new matter or energy is not being created, why do you think the concept of the heat death of the universe is even a thing?
According to scientific consensus, you are wrong. The universe itself is expanding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_the_universe
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/the-universe-is-expanding-faster-than-it-should-be
>The universe does not expand "into" anything and does not require space to exist "outside" it. This expansion involves neither space nor objects in space "moving" in a traditional sense, but rather it is the metric (which governs the size and geometry of spacetime itself) that changes in scale.
> Ackshually, the universe came from nothing and doesn't expand into anything, it just changes in scale for some reason.
>the universe came from nothing
the universe has always existed, there isn't a time where there isn't a universe. the universe changed from one state to another during the big bang.
try and reinterpret the quran to fit this lol
I'm simply quoting the exact same sources that you cited, bro.
>> Ackshually, the universe came from nothing and doesn't expand into anything, it just changes in scale for some reason.
Unironically, yeah. Pretty much, I don't care how much of this contradicts what it says in your magic book.
>my creation myth is better than your creation myth
do 80IQs really brahs?
Why do Muslims seethe so hard when they get raped by their own sources, lmao
For centuries Muslims have resorted to threats of violence the instant they're confronted with a question they're incapable of answering satisfactorily. Their incessant seething is nothing more than displays of their impotence online.
Funny coming the liberal secular atheist who killed 30 million people since WW2 and wiped out Christianity in the West in less than 50 years.
How's that related to what he said
yeah, i thought we are discussing "a fricking rock" also, silly me
Stonehenge had way more rocks than just the popular ones
>the liberal secular atheist
Milahan is that you?
Lol inbred moron
I hate it when monotheists try to interpret their shitty vague verses in whichever way they want. Kys
The Bible already said it first mudshit
Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
So why then do christians insist the earth is flat?
Canonically a House built by Adam the first man according to Islamic tradition.
abraham, not adam. muslims believe adam met eve on some mountain near that area. that's why the pilgrimage ritual includes going to that mountain. another venerated magical rock.
hard to see why some haplogroup A savanna dweller would go all the way to arabia to have sex
>adam met eve on some mountain near that area
KEK
So what, kissing a statue of a naked man is any better? kek
>Do not worship graven idols
>Literally worships the quran. Not the message, the book itself
>Literally worships a rock.
Then yo uget the same shit with israelites and Christians how hard is it not to worship an idol.
to be fair, israelites used to write God's name in a pen that have never wrote anything before and throw it away right afterwards.
although islam is a meme religion where they worship humans and rocks
>islam is a meme religion where they worship humans and rocks
false
They do get moronic if you draw Mohammed.
When I was a kid I always thought the Kaaba was the stone itself and I thought it was super cool that Muslims just had this giant black obelisk that they did all the rituals around. I was very disappointed to learn that it's just a building and that the stone is not that big at all.
You thought the Kaaba was a big giant rock in the shape of a cube?
Yeah. I only ever saw it in the margins of textbooks and that's what it looked like to me.
I am always amused by the fact they take almost no care to make the roof of that place look good. I almost expect to see some broken lawn chairs up there.
Maybe because we don't actually worship it unlike what morons claim?
Well you could still make the top look nice if you're already deciding to decorate it at all.
>people still believe in the big bang and muh 14 borillian years universe
my sides.
>quran predicted the big bang!
>akshually the big bang is a m-myth. earth and sky were split asunder. praise allah
>a fricking piece of metal
>a fricking slip of paper
>a fricking bundle of parchment
>a fricking assemblage of letters and figures
do you get what I'm getting at?
Money has actual use in society, the Kaaba is just a little house with a bunch of meteor fragments attached to one of its sides.
You don't get it. Money is just like the Kaaba is a cultural icon. It has the use of uniting the islamic people of the world under one symbol. That's the point. Just like currency has an agreed upon value, an icon does too. It's very ignorant of you to dismiss the icons you don't like because they don't serve a utilitarian, lizard brain "purpose" that you abritrarly decide is worthy. Who are you to decide its value?
Did you have some argument as to why "icons" should be worshipped?
lol
test
"God is a Rock" (the OT, the NT, the LT)
how stoned are you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:YHWH_Allah_(LORD_God)/sandbox
Why do Muhammad worshipers get mad when you call them a rock worshiper?
Don't all Muhammad worshipers refer to Aryans who consider fire to be a sacred element as "fire worshipers"?
Curious.
we islamics love that rock on allah's golden ark at stonehenge
Worshipping a black asteroid is pretty kino tbh.
The israeli cube magic is too strong for the uninitiated.
Aren't those meant to keep you from fapping?
Pic related in both posts, in case anyone here is christian.
To mock the ka'aba is to mock your father and yourself.
Funfact: the qibla (direction of prayer) in islam actually used to be Jerusalem (the holy city of the old covenant). By God's command, this was changed to Mecca towards the Ka'aba (the house of God built by Abraham and Ismael). Perhaps this was also to symbolise the new covenant. Allah knows best.
Anyway, this is interesting, because the book of Revelations predicts a "new jerusalem". Which is a cube.
*House of God