The intellectual capacity of the Black did not let him go beyond the stone age so that's why he developed no wheel, no written language, no dwelling more advanced than a mud hut and no invention ever of any kind. Some browns could get up to the medieval age then tapped out. Whites have unlimited capacity for advancement. Orientals are pretty close to whites but lack the Faustian Spirit (intelligence + testosterone). They emulate white civilization better than any swarthoids or Blacks.
Due to white capitalism technology is cheap and widely proliferated. But the Black remain a stone age people with gadgets, the middle east is a medieval society with gadgets.
> The intellectual capacity of the Black did not let him go beyond the stone age so that's why he developed no wheel, no written language, no dwelling more advanced than a mud hut and no invention ever of any kind.
All demonstrably false. I don’t really have time to refute every claim you made because I have an exam in a couple days and I’ve hardly studied, but pic related is proof of metallurgy in West Africa way before European colonialism. So your “stone age” claim is absolutely false.
They're from after the 16th century made with alloys produced in Portugal.
> Some even wrongly concluded that Benin knowledge of metallurgy came from the Portuguese traders who were in contact with Benin in the early modern period.[9] The Kingdom of Benin was a hub of African civilization long before Portuguese traders visited,[10][11] and it is clear that the bronzes were made in Benin by an indigenous culture centuries before European contact.
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Anonymous
The wikipedia article has [citation needed] at the end of that quote.
The other bronzes are still evidence of metallurgy in West Africa (they’re all made of brass)
The wikipedia article has [citation needed] at the end of that quote.
I actually didn’t mean to copy that last part of the paragraph. The thing is that some of the bronzes were created as early as the 12th century, hundreds of years before colonization.
This an article about it cited on the Wikipedia page
https://www.jstor.org/stable/868735
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean the artistic style though. The Nilotic mangbetu brought metalworking to the Congolese pygmies when they conquered them for example, so the technology being passed around Africa by trade or conquest isn't unusual, but the realistic style is.
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Anonymous
Well, all the bronzes were made by different artists. The sculptures in the OP image was probably just made by a sculptor who had a distinct, more realistic style and the skills to make a more realistic sculpture (probably something to do with Portuguese influence).
Which brass statues are dated before the 16th century?
It’s hard to find dates for individual sculptures, but pic related was the passage I was referencing but I don’t know what the 13th century sculptures mentioned look like.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I like the Portuguese soldier ones a lot
https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/travel/2022/09/benin-bronzes-return-to-nigeria
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's not really about the skill of the artist I think, but the cultural taste. Look at Egyptian art and how it remained stilted and cartoonish in some ways for centuries. I doubt the artists couldn't draw realistically, but they were just conforming to an established style. The realistic Benin bronzes being busts is just so European in presentation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
For example, Greek-Egyptian mummies. You can immediately recognise the features of an Egyptian mummy, but the artistic style itself is obviously Hellenistic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
For example, Greek-Egyptian mummies. You can immediately recognise the features of an Egyptian mummy, but the artistic style itself is obviously Hellenistic.
I think being able to depict the proportions of the human form with precision requires more skill than something like pic related (from Mesopotamia). From reading about Renaissance artists, I get the impression that realistic statues are stupidly difficult compared to a more primitive type.
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They are, I phrased it wrong really. What I meant was that the realism of the brass busts probably wasn't considered the height of specifically Benin artistic norms, which makes it more likely a foreignor did it. Like you could give an intricate Cartier diamond and pearl choker to the Samburu women in picrel, but it wouldn't really be to their typical taste, it wouldn't have the same concepts of what makes it 'good' in itself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Which brass statues are dated before the 16th century?
>Bad Cultural ideas.
Africans have this thing, like many other primitive people's and our own Cromagnon Ancestors most likely had (remember we did basically fricking nothing for 190,000 years), where any kind of development or innovation is really frowned upon and heavily discouraged by social stigma. No personal property, everything is shared, resource hoarding is penalized, any attempt at furthering your own basis is basically illegal. Now, if you live as a forage and hunter this isn't stupid: personal property is just more shit to carry and being really opinionated and domineering will ruin your social relationships with the people who keep you alive.... But this idea in any, even remotely modern or farming community, is basically reductive suicide.
>Bad Crops for a long time.
Africa had a really bad food situation until it didn't. The big desert in the middle (goby? somebody help me) prevented the distribution of crops from happening (but not livestock 'cause they can walk) since carrying plants and seeds was simply too arduous a journey. Places in the North had sorghum, millet, wheat, lentils, and chickpeas, all kinds of cereals and beans to get their large populations and civilizations going while everybody else had essentially nothing.
This did eventually change when they got a handful of Austronesian and Polynesian crops (bananas mostly), and changed even further when they got corn and peanuts.
>Slavery Bad.
I think it was the Portuguese who originally started purchasing slaves from the west coast of Africa, but regardless: the moment the Africans created an economy of literally capturing, packaging, and enslaving their own people it was basically over for them. Slavery was extremely profitable for a subset of the African population, it gave them a tremendous amount of political and economic power, and they effectively did everything to secure that economic system.
>No personal property, everything is shared, resource hoarding is penalized, any attempt at furthering your own basis is basically illegal
Sounds like real communism to me
>our own Cromagnon Ancestors most likely had (remember we did basically fricking nothing for 190,000 years), where any kind of development or innovation is really frowned upon and heavily discouraged by social stigma.
Tell me you know nothing about hominins without telling me you know nothing about hominins
dark pigmentation was an environmental trap that kept them from expanding. also massive fricking land area with no logistical breaks like europes mountains and rivers or the easts fertility
Nothing. They had their time.
WE WUZ DRAVIDIANS AN MELANESIANS AN SHEEEIT EVEN DIS OLD PECKERWOOD YTBOI SAY SO!
The tsetse fly
The Eternal S*mite
Where is this from?
http://www.dierklange.com/
Thanks.
The intellectual capacity of the Black did not let him go beyond the stone age so that's why he developed no wheel, no written language, no dwelling more advanced than a mud hut and no invention ever of any kind. Some browns could get up to the medieval age then tapped out. Whites have unlimited capacity for advancement. Orientals are pretty close to whites but lack the Faustian Spirit (intelligence + testosterone). They emulate white civilization better than any swarthoids or Blacks.
Due to white capitalism technology is cheap and widely proliferated. But the Black remain a stone age people with gadgets, the middle east is a medieval society with gadgets.
> The intellectual capacity of the Black did not let him go beyond the stone age so that's why he developed no wheel, no written language, no dwelling more advanced than a mud hut and no invention ever of any kind.
All demonstrably false. I don’t really have time to refute every claim you made because I have an exam in a couple days and I’ve hardly studied, but pic related is proof of metallurgy in West Africa way before European colonialism. So your “stone age” claim is absolutely false.
Watch the excuses come pouring in
Source for the pic?
Don’t know, but they’re from Benin
> Some even wrongly concluded that Benin knowledge of metallurgy came from the Portuguese traders who were in contact with Benin in the early modern period.[9] The Kingdom of Benin was a hub of African civilization long before Portuguese traders visited,[10][11] and it is clear that the bronzes were made in Benin by an indigenous culture centuries before European contact.
The wikipedia article has [citation needed] at the end of that quote.
They're from after the 16th century made with alloys produced in Portugal.
Is there any theories why the style is so atypical to other Benin bronzes?
The other bronzes are still evidence of metallurgy in West Africa (they’re all made of brass)
I actually didn’t mean to copy that last part of the paragraph. The thing is that some of the bronzes were created as early as the 12th century, hundreds of years before colonization.
This an article about it cited on the Wikipedia page
https://www.jstor.org/stable/868735
I mean the artistic style though. The Nilotic mangbetu brought metalworking to the Congolese pygmies when they conquered them for example, so the technology being passed around Africa by trade or conquest isn't unusual, but the realistic style is.
Well, all the bronzes were made by different artists. The sculptures in the OP image was probably just made by a sculptor who had a distinct, more realistic style and the skills to make a more realistic sculpture (probably something to do with Portuguese influence).
It’s hard to find dates for individual sculptures, but pic related was the passage I was referencing but I don’t know what the 13th century sculptures mentioned look like.
I like the Portuguese soldier ones a lot
https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/travel/2022/09/benin-bronzes-return-to-nigeria
It's not really about the skill of the artist I think, but the cultural taste. Look at Egyptian art and how it remained stilted and cartoonish in some ways for centuries. I doubt the artists couldn't draw realistically, but they were just conforming to an established style. The realistic Benin bronzes being busts is just so European in presentation.
For example, Greek-Egyptian mummies. You can immediately recognise the features of an Egyptian mummy, but the artistic style itself is obviously Hellenistic.
I think being able to depict the proportions of the human form with precision requires more skill than something like pic related (from Mesopotamia). From reading about Renaissance artists, I get the impression that realistic statues are stupidly difficult compared to a more primitive type.
They are, I phrased it wrong really. What I meant was that the realism of the brass busts probably wasn't considered the height of specifically Benin artistic norms, which makes it more likely a foreignor did it. Like you could give an intricate Cartier diamond and pearl choker to the Samburu women in picrel, but it wouldn't really be to their typical taste, it wouldn't have the same concepts of what makes it 'good' in itself.
Which brass statues are dated before the 16th century?
>What went wrong?
Uhhhhhh, shit, okay. Sure.
>Bad Cultural ideas.
Africans have this thing, like many other primitive people's and our own Cromagnon Ancestors most likely had (remember we did basically fricking nothing for 190,000 years), where any kind of development or innovation is really frowned upon and heavily discouraged by social stigma. No personal property, everything is shared, resource hoarding is penalized, any attempt at furthering your own basis is basically illegal. Now, if you live as a forage and hunter this isn't stupid: personal property is just more shit to carry and being really opinionated and domineering will ruin your social relationships with the people who keep you alive.... But this idea in any, even remotely modern or farming community, is basically reductive suicide.
>Bad Crops for a long time.
Africa had a really bad food situation until it didn't. The big desert in the middle (goby? somebody help me) prevented the distribution of crops from happening (but not livestock 'cause they can walk) since carrying plants and seeds was simply too arduous a journey. Places in the North had sorghum, millet, wheat, lentils, and chickpeas, all kinds of cereals and beans to get their large populations and civilizations going while everybody else had essentially nothing.
This did eventually change when they got a handful of Austronesian and Polynesian crops (bananas mostly), and changed even further when they got corn and peanuts.
>Slavery Bad.
I think it was the Portuguese who originally started purchasing slaves from the west coast of Africa, but regardless: the moment the Africans created an economy of literally capturing, packaging, and enslaving their own people it was basically over for them. Slavery was extremely profitable for a subset of the African population, it gave them a tremendous amount of political and economic power, and they effectively did everything to secure that economic system.
>No personal property, everything is shared, resource hoarding is penalized, any attempt at furthering your own basis is basically illegal
Sounds like real communism to me
>our own Cromagnon Ancestors most likely had (remember we did basically fricking nothing for 190,000 years), where any kind of development or innovation is really frowned upon and heavily discouraged by social stigma.
Tell me you know nothing about hominins without telling me you know nothing about hominins
>Tell me you know nothing about hominins without telling me you know nothing about hominins
Tell me something about Hominids then, Anon.
>enslaving their own people
They weren't enslaving their own people you moron.
dark pigmentation was an environmental trap that kept them from expanding. also massive fricking land area with no logistical breaks like europes mountains and rivers or the easts fertility
u only develop what u need
skin colour is the most arbitrary point on elitism>egalitarianism
this
bloated middle management structures(genetic)
They were content without us.
You mean what went so right?