all political quarrelling aside, which one would you rather have actually lived in as a common peasant/city-slicker?
all political quarrelling aside, which one would you rather have actually lived in as a common peasant/city-slicker?
all political quarrelling aside, which one would you rather have actually lived in as a common peasant/city-slicker?
Greece for both
HRE without a doubt, most similar to our modern life and much less chance of getting killed by a steppeBlack person raiding party or getting my balls chopped off, less egregious taxation and more feast days in the Catholic Church too
>most similar to our modern life
How on earth is this a good thing
Do you have a shit life?
>HRE without a doubt, most similar to our modern life and much less chance of getting killed by a steppeBlack person raiding party or getting my balls chopped off, less egregious taxation
*Gets robbed & raped by a Raubritter as you're going out of the city.
*YFW another succession war between princes erupts and tears through central Germany again.
*City requires you to be a member of an urban militia since it has no knights to protect itself being outside of the feudal system as it is.
*BTW you have to buy your own weapons & armor.
*YFW your ill equipped, partly trained, burgher-skull gets caved in by a professional fighter trained from childhood to be nothing else but a warrior.
*YFW the dreaded mercenary warband of Chad Von Chadstein went a month without pay so he now thinks its a good idea to sack your town.
*YFW you have to deal with taxes to the city, the local prince who rules your city, dues to your guild.
*YFW Germans didn't fricking bath.
Depends of the era of course
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I'm pretty sure Greece was a better place to live for the average person than Germany.
Sure, if you wanna live with quarreling Slavs and marauding Bulgars right next door. If you survive them, your descendants will get to deal with Normans, Crusaders, Catalans, and Ottomans. The only thing Greece has going for it is the climate.
Almost married of 802.
greece or central italy and definitely not germany
There no Germany or Italy but HRE and Venetian.
As far as that map goes defines HRE.
I would in fact made the argument that HRE from late medieval era right to just before the Protestant reformation was pretty cozy.
Just gotta make sure to live in some free city or bishop like Hamburg or Cologne
HRE
>I have German heritage
>Surrounded by other European nations
>Don't have to worry about constant invasions
>My descendants wont be raped by turkroaches until next millennium
>Qt3.14 PAWG wife
>More benevolent rulers
>Comfy forests
>>Qt3.14 PAWG wife
>in medieval Europe
kek you absolute moron, not enough calories to go around to get fat, no ass implants and no reason for women to frick their knees up doing squats, the only "PAWG"s were obese royalty who you'd have no contact with
No, premodern people would eat huge amounts of food to survive the winters.
>No, premodern people would eat huge amounts of food to survive the winters.
Their food was not fool of hormones and calorie-dense the way our modern shite is, and they would do far more walking and general labour which would keep them quite thin. You can see in the depictions of people back then that being "thicc" was incredibly rare.
>My descendants wont be raped by turkroaches until next millennium
Projection
did you understand what he wrote? germany was conquered in the late 1900s. if he lived in, say, around 1000, his lineage could survive almost 1000 years without roach infestation.
Are you fricking moronic or just pretending?
Holy hell, you such smooth brainlet.
who in their right mind would want to be ruled by kr*utshits
Byzantine economy seems very comfy.
>https://novoscriptorium.com/2019/09/25/trade-and-economics-in-the-eastern-roman-empire/
Plus they were amongst the most literate in Europe and the Near East at the time.
We hear a lot about the numerous Byzantine civil wars but this was usually just at the top of the food chain, with the efficient systems of taxation, guilds, and bureaucracy remaining in place barring some extreme factor (Fourth Crusade, and even then, this was because the Latin Empire distrusted it and purposefully dismantled it). For ordinary people, I'd imagine life was generally nicer, especially when compared to Feudal Europe.
Northern Italy in the HRE. Comfy, not as backwards or agrarian as the rest of the HRE and no Turks, Bulgarians, Latins, etc coming to murder you
You think Germans hate each others gutts? Northern Italy was the real uncontrollable mess!
For me its Byzantium, because at least it was a civilized society and not the lawless wild west hellscape that was medieval Germany.
It is not a question of either but where specifically within either.
For instance Crete or any of the Greek islands would be quite good after Saracen piracy got blown the frick out by Italian fleets.
Corsica and Sardinia as well.
Everywhere else is a present threat or you know, winter being a thing
>For instance Crete or any of the Greek islands would be quite good after Saracen piracy got blown the frick out by Italian fleets.
Yes, although to give credit, the Byzantines weren't dependant on Italian navies during the Reconquest of Crete.
HRE but in italy
clearly italy
In terms of wealth and standards of living it would probably go
Constantinople > Northern Italy > Low counties > German free cities > Germany = Thrace > Bohemia > outskirts of the German Empire = Anatolia > Greece
At this point the West was mostly ahead of Byzantium outside of Constantinople. Greece was and was always the poorest region in Byzantium and Anatolia was more dangerous than most other of the German Empire. The Low counties and Northern Italy were both very rich and urban places. Probably the best regions in Europe to live in as a normal person
>Greece was and was always the poorest region in Byzantium
Not necessarily, it really depended on where you're talking about, for instance Thebes and its Boeotian hinterlands were quite wealthy considering they were a hub of silk manufacturing. After the Reconquest of Crete, the Peloponnese was quite wealthy, and Thessalonica quite productive, hosting the empire's prestigious second city, referred to as the 'Co-Capital'.
The Kievan Rus'
No particular reason, just think they're comfy
HRE would be kino if I were in Rothenburg or Nuremberg.