>Had R1a-M417
>Many genetically almost identical to Yamnaya
>Many also had the same ANF admixture proportion as Corded Ware and were identical to them as well
>Predates both cultures and is the perfect origin point for Corded Ware and Yamnaya
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Probably not PIE but IE unless it can be proven that Yamnaya derived from early SS which seems...unlikely
Repin and SS II are clearly linked though and PIE is obviously linked to whatever relation they had but earlier SS was probably just assimilated or mostly eliminated
>unless it can be proven that Yamnaya derived from early SS which seems...unlikely
Yamnaya and CW both come from a common ancestor which had higher YDNA diversity, and CW shares YDNA with Sredny Stog. Leaked Sredny Stog Samples are identical to Yamnaya.
Target: RUS_Yamnaya_Samara
Distance: 3.2816% / 0.03281581
81.0 RUS_Progress_En
14.4 UKR_N
4.6 HUN_Vinca_MN
0.0 ARM_Aknashen_N
0.0 ARM_Masis_Blur_N
0.0 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN
0.0 BGR_C
0.0 BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N
0.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
0.0 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
0.0 IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N
0.0 IRN_Wezmeh_N
0.0 RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En
0.0 RUS_Maykop
0.0 RUS_Maykop_Late
0.0 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
Sredny Stog
Target: UKR_Sredni_Stog
Distance: 4.0769% / 0.04076877
75.6 RUS_Progress_En
17.8 UKR_N
6.6 HUN_Vinca_MN
0.0 ARM_Aknashen_N
0.0 ARM_Masis_Blur_N
0.0 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN
0.0 BGR_C
0.0 BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N
0.0 HUN_Vinca_MN
0.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
0.0 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
0.0 IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N
0.0 IRN_Wezmeh_N
0.0 RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En
0.0 RUS_Maykop
0.0 RUS_Maykop_Late
0.0 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
This sample is from the eastern part of the area presented in the map though. However, it is supposedly fairly old.
There's also one sample from Khvalynsk which is Yamnaya-like which is about the same age.
I still think cultures of the Don were the principal element involved in PIE. We really don't have any reason to think the Yamnaya/early Corded Ware profile had extended throughout Sredny Stog but rather only the easternmost parts at first.
>We really don't have any reason to think the Yamnaya/early Corded Ware profile had extended throughout Sredny Stog but rather only the easternmost parts at first
In fact we know SS was genetically heterogeneous (some of the Russian archeologists questioned whether it was really one culture as opposed to a horizon).
In the Allentoft preprint there are also two "SS" samples that for some reason are far up the Don river. One is almost pure EHG, the other is more Don forager-like (no EEF).
The Anthony PCA also suggests relative diversity among SS and other WSH groups (a very high CHG, low EEF Usatovo sample).
What is Progress? Can you model it as AG3+Continenza+CHG+MKD+N?
>What is Progress?
Two samples out of three (the other being VJ1001 from Vonyuchka 1) classified as "Eneolithic Piedmont steppe" from the North Caucasus.
There are from the archaeological site of Progress 2 (PG2001, PG2004).
From the CC Wang et al., Nature Communications 2019 paper
It seems like the simplest model is that they are all post-stog cultures. Which is what the Soviet academics thought.
All of them largely display the same behaviours and traits, outside of full-blown aastoralism coming later from Maykop.
All the hgs will probably be found in the SS networks.If not it will be in the Don-Volga network. The secondary reflections (Afanasievo and Yamnaya dominated by z2103, Corded L151) are just founder effects.
If SS is R1a-M417 and I2 as is rumored with the same autosomal profile then we have to go as far back as the origin of SS for PIE. Which would be the Lower Don culture.
The final nail in the coffin will be 1. If the farmer-like ancestry has close to zero correlation with CHG ancestry and 2. finding the earliest M269 and M417. It does seem like the Symadovo sample from 4500BC is legitimate. However, I think the earliest M269 will be found further north, around Lyalovo.
It's nothing new, really. Steppe profile exists much earlier than Yamnaya/CWC/Afanasievo.
PIE came from the Caucasus.
where is the archaeological evidence?
>inb4 he outs himself as low information memer kerking off over one southern arc paper probably because his discord handler told him it btfos the CHUDS
PIE came from the sinking of Thruðvangr (Thurey/Thule) known today as Doggerbank.
Remember this post when offshore windfarms ends up dredging metal and ivory objects in an inevitable timespan of maximum 30 years.
(Any surviving objects would need to have been buried in deep and clogged bogs to survive centuries of storms and trawlers.)
Hi Genos Historia
How West African is he anyway? I refuse to believe it's convergent (d)evolution
No idea.
HOW CAN I AS AN R1BULL PROCESS THIS
>R1a-M417
>origin point for Yamnaya
Sredni Stog were migrants from the East or Southeast. The earlier Dnieper Donets did not resemble them. They aren't native to the region.
North Caucasus/Lower Don is the most likely origin of early PIE and I wouldn't be surprised if relevant R1b-M269 subclades were also there.
They are probably making it more complicated than it needed to be. Some easterners hit the DD groups and largely replaced them becoming Sredni Stog. Different culturer emerged from it and when some of them became mobile pastoralists (Yamnaya) they pushed the Western groups West and that was CWC.
It's like with Huns and East Germanics. Or later on with Slavs. A large migration that replaced lots of local ancestry.
>Predates both cultures
Source? Is there a timeline with dates of all this?
Yes, in books about archeology.
>Is there a timeline with dates of all this
Sredni Stog predating the other cultures is consensus.
What isn't clear is the exact chronology of SS groups and post-stog groups due to radiocarbon errors and reservoir effects.
Kotova "Early Eneolithic in the Pontic Steppes" is a good read but due to the above problems some of the details may be incorrect.
Key dates are:
Sredni Stog (at least 4700 BC but maybe even a bit earlier)
Repin (3700-3500 BC)
Yamnaya and Afanasievo (3300 BC)
Usatovo (? extremely unclear, radiocarbon dates are being revised, but probably around Repin).
The "issue" is that there is genetic diversity in Sredni Stog (there are very Yamnaya-like samples but also low CHG ones).
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I see you conveniently LEFT OUT 80% OF THEIR TERRITORY.
yes this is totally not a random /misc/ pro-ukrainian thread on IQfy.
Their territory extends from just east of the don river through to most of the balkans (but not quite to the sea).
Keep this political bullshit out of this. Also, they had no real presence in the Balkans. Some samples from Bulgaria and Romania have a tiny bit of admixture from the steppe even before Yamnaya invasion but their cultural context was entirely different.