>christ promises you the free gift of eternal life
>Yes, you heard right. The free gift of eternal life. Truly, christ is king
>but first, you have to...
That's not a free gift.
>christ promises you the free gift of eternal life. >Yes, you heard right.
Literally all you need to do is accept the gift.
Entertain me. Describe how a person "accepts" christ's "free gift"
christcuckies?
You accept Christ into your heart and allow the Holy Spirit to transform you, it's that simple.
I accept the "free" gift of salvation but I have a statue of Buddha that I pray to in the morning there shouldn't be an issue right?
If a person behaves that way then I know based on evidence that they didn't really accept the free gift of salvation. God has an effect on our lives after we are saved. Like it says in Philippians 1:6,
"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:"
Amen.
>you have to fulfill the terms and conditions in order to accept the "free" gift
God works in us if we are saved. It makes perfect sense, anon.
"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)
Why do christcucks struggle with remaining on topic? Explain how it is a free gift if you must fulfill certain terms and conditions.
>Explain how it is a free gift if you must fulfill certain terms and conditions.
Jesus fulfilled the terms by His death on the cross and resurrection. To every believer is given the free gift, the gift of God, of eternal life. There's literally no reason to turn it down. And yeah, there are positive benefits to it like being changed by God so that we are free from the bonds of sin. That's not me fulfilling some kind of condition, it's just another part of what God does for us. Why would you not want to be free from sin anyway?
"Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."
- John 8:34-36
"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."
- Romans 8:28-30
>There's literally no reason to turn it down
Except that even if you don't turn it down, if you don't fulfill the terms and conditions you don't actually get the "free" gift.
>if you don't fulfill the terms and conditions you don't actually get the "free" gift.
Everyone who is saved will be freed from sin. That's not something that we have to do to earn salvation, it's just a result of God working in us. Like I quoted before. That's not something that I have to put effort into doing, and it's not something that is at risk of losing because it's as sure as God helping us.
"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:"
(Philippians 1:6)
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."
(1 Peter 1:3-5)
So it's not a free gift, and christcucks are liars. Understood.
"That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast."
- Ephesians 2:7-9
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
- John 5:24
I accept your free concession
Can one be gifted shoes if he has no legs?
Yes
Well yes, but will the shoes be of their intended use to the recipent, or will they just lay there, unused. Is the gift not free then, since it requires one to have legs to make proper use of the shoes?
In the case of Christs gift of eternal life it is like the 'shoes', except every man is born '' legless'(this is the Original Sin) and the Christlife is Him helping you get the 'legs'.
If I tell you that I have some Icecream to gift you, but it is a very hot summer and I can't convey it to you from my house, since it would melt, so you will have to come by to enjoy the gift, is the gift not free? Is going to get it a Term or Condition of it?
>If I tell you that I have some Icecream to gift you, but it is a very hot summer and I can't convey it to you from my house, since it would melt, so you will have to come by to enjoy the gift, is the gift not free? Is going to get it a Term or Condition of it?
Depends. It's different if you're just up the street or if you're 50+ miles away. Christianity has more conditions than "just accept it" (which, anyone can do for anything and accepting one thing doesn't require not excepting something else).
If I were to try and come up with an analogy, I don't have to think I'll find any use of a gift someone gives me to accept it, while according to Christianity I have to deeply believe in Jesus Christ in order to accept his "free" gift. And I'm forbidden from accepting other gifts (believing in other religions). I'm pretty sure you also are required to participate in church services in at least some types of Christianity. Not free.
>It's different if you're just up the street or if you're 50+ miles away.
I disagree, it doesn't make the gift "not free", since it is not a cost demanded by the giver, but a matter of the desire of the recipent to use it
> accepting one thing doesn't require not excepting something else
In this case the 'something else' are misguided, liars, charlatans or worse, there is no something else.
> I don't have to think I'll find any use of a gift someone gives me to accept it
Eternal life is always given, but if you can't use it'll just be there. Or rather, the wage of Sin is death, and if sin can be forgiven, then death too can be avoided. This is the gift, absolution and eternal life are one and the same. To be justly redeemed of crimes one must first be punished for done misdeeds, but Christ took that punishment onto himself on the Cross. This opportunity for absolution wthout sacrifice is the gift and what makes it free.
>This is a free car, you just need $20000 worth of desire to use it
>but a matter of the desire of the recipent to use it
I fully desire to be saved by Jesus Christ. I just happen to pray to an image of Buddha sometimes. I'm saved right?
>food analogy
>You don't accept the gift because i just know you don't, don't worry, it's "based on evidence"
No true gift-accepter.
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
- 1 John 4:1-3
Posting random quotes from 2000 years ago doesn't mean much if you refuse to provide commentary on what they mean.
You are describing a transaction.
Its not free then christoid
Good to know I can keep fapping and still be saved just by accepting the gift.
>mom promises a Christmas gift
>Yes, a totally free gift
>But you have to accept it
Ugh I hate mommy she doesn't truly love me
>mom promises a Christmas gift
>Yes, a totally "free gift"
>But you have to accept it
>Also, if you do a naughty thing, mom will take away your "free gift" and you will spend your life in the cupboard under the staircase.
Calvinism doesn't have this problem
>mom promises a christmas gift
>but actually, there was never a gift, now get in the cupboard.
That's not calvinism please don't flaunt your reddit knowledge as it were Ctual knowledge
>if you do a naughty thing
Not really. There’s only one sin the atonement doesn’t cover.
>mommy will return this "Free Gift" to you on the CONDITION that you atone for the naughty thing.
It's not a free gift.
Atonement as in Christ’s, not yours. Try and keep up.
since christ atoned for my sins, i am free to continue sinning. What a wonderful free gift with no conditions or clauses attached to it.
Palpable dishonesty
“Free” doesn’t mean unconditional. Church is free!
Don't expect much from larpers, Christ offers to teach you meditation and they burned the teachings.
Eternal life but not in this world. When you're dead and you're confined to magic israelite world.
It's weird how Christians seem to beer between "Christianity is easy, just accept this free gift!" And "akshully Christianity is really hard, you have to follow this huge list of rules created for a tribal civilization 2600 years ago!" I hate Evangelicals so much.
Sorry, anon, you didn't accept Christ's free gift hard enough. Off to hell with you.
Also it occurs to me that I am pretty sure everyone gets eternal life, sinners just get to spend it in Hell. The reward of the Faithful is the Kingdom of Heaven.
People who are in hell are not considered alive, so that while they have an existence of torment, they are not considered to be alive in this state. This is just a question of terminology; but since it's stated in the Bible it therefore becomes important to maintain this distinction.
>if you refuse to provide commentary on what they mean.
I don't refuse, but my opinions as such aren't really necessary to an understanding of the point. John says "believe not every spirit," so that means we don't just believe everything that everyone says. If someone says X that doesn't mean I automatically believe it, obviously.