>gay
He said himself he had homosexual thoughts growing up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He literally married a woman.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And still went to gay bars. And posed scantily clad. And wrote bios about gay feelings. Was he just enjoying the scenery anon?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you can't admire something without being sexually attracted to it
must be tough being so socially moronic your only emotions are anger and lust
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mishima talks about sex in every damn book he wrote kek, have you actually read his stuff?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"admire" men sexually >don't go for it
in your mind, what's so virtuous about that?
it's just lame and cucked.
Besides, he very likely did go for it anyway.
He probably had an affair with an onnagata afaik.
?t=162
2 years ago
Anonymous
yayoiest motherfricker i've ever seen
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your picrel along with the comment made me kek, ngl
[...]
[...]
Mishima's point was never "le retvrn to tradition" or "we need the emperor bvck".
Mishima's nationalism was but a medium through which his personal idealism manifested. He thought that the ancient Imperial order was of value not out of itself, but so long as it represented his romantic vision of reality. Mishima represents the confrontation between Romanticism and Post-modern Japan, which could extend to a confrontation between a decaying ideal interpretation of the world and the emergence of a purely scientificist, materialistic interpretation.
You have to take a look at Romanticism and its complete absence in Japan to understand what Mishima's "movement" was actually about: the prevail of sentiment over reason, the exaltation of irrationality, the belief in a powerful collective to which all individual wills are subjected. Those are Romantic tropes. And since in Japan Romanticism hadn't ever made its way, what Mishima did was completely novel in its historical context.
The fact that Mishima was based not on brainless chauvinism or gratuitous nationalism can be seen in his praise for certain actions committed by the Red Army of Japan. He repeatedly mentioned his similarities with the radical-left student movement, both in interviews and books. Precisely because he was talking about a Romantic, idealist understanding of life, concept which he thought lied at the core of the radical-left -- what mattered the less were the particular, political manifestations of it.
>chauvinism >Women knowing their place bad >gratuitous nationalism >caring about your fellow countryman bad
No thanks, I like my family unit nice and cozy -w-
8yJAP captcha >Also inb4 I'm a le racist white male
I'm Latino
Why do you morons need to cope so much about Mishima's sexuality ? Who cares if he was gay anyway, does it change anything to his writings ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because I hate gays
2 years ago
Anonymous
Having sex with other men wasn't even frowned upon in traditional Japanese culture. Pretty much every Kabuki actor moonlighted as a male prostitute who gave his bussy to samurai regularly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it’s not gay, it’s just bros helping bros
this is the end of the line for all that Nietzchean overman stuff. Master morality so you can shove wieners up your ass lmao
mishima: my first wank happened when i saw an art piece of St. Sebastian
this homosexual: n-no he was not gay! he married a woman!
2 years ago
Anonymous
mishima: as a child I remember falling in love with a painting of a European knight in full armor, full of martial valor. I lost all interest when I learned the person being depicted was Joan of Arc.
>wrote homosexual novels >wrote about his homosexual feelings in private writings >was in a well-documented gay relationship with Akihiro Miwa (who is still alive) >he used to fly to San Francisco and have sex with men in bathhouses
Yeah, okay bud.
I don't think democracy would accept extreme far right into a political party like Mishima. >but what about communist party of japan???
that's just a name for the party. they are mostly social democrat irl.
he should organizing a bigger military coup tbh.
There have been nationalist elements in the LDP, including the influential Nippon Kaigi, as well as successful ultra right-wing politicians like Shintaro Ishihara. Mishima would have been unlikely to go very far in politics but at least he would have had some kind of actual influence rather than be remembered for le kino seppuku.
Yeah I agree that most japan political party are very right wing in some extend but I don't think Mishima are willingly to join a political party he's just in love with imperial japanese romanticism. Guy like him want to fight and die for their nation, I don't think he wont fit well with office bureaucrat or shit like that.
He's just an old man living in a new era...
>muh nippon kaigi
This is your brain on Jake Adelstein articles. Barely a relevant entity in terms of organizing anything in Japanese politics. >t. Married a woman from a family with elected LDP members.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Shinzo Abe is a member >N-no Gaijin nothing to see here!!
2 years ago
Anonymous
Right. And every world leader is a member of various clubs. Doesn't make those clubs the puppet masters.
was Adelstein actually CIA plant israelite to destroy last stronghold of Japanese traditionalism - Yakuza?
>last stronghold of Japanese traditionalism - Yakuza?
Two problems. One, Jake is full of lies. Most stories in Tokyo Vice are completely laughable. Two, yakuza are mostly ethnic Koreans who couldn't give a shit about culture. Two-bit thugs. Why do you think that Osaka and Fukuoka are the biggest "Yakuza" cities?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>seething about Koreans
uyoku dantai identified
2 years ago
Anonymous
Saying that yakuza are Korean is seething? Okay buddy.
You know that virtually every major yakuza figure is well documented, right? Including their real names and tsuumei?
Yakuza, yakiniku, and pachinko are industries mostly run by North Koreans. Everyone knows this, but people outside of Japan just don't want to believe that 1) North Koreans are a major demographic in Japan and 2) they are very clannish and dominate industries that Japanese would be embarrassed to be involved with.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 atom bombs weren't enough it seems.
2 years ago
Anonymous
was Adelstein actually CIA plant israelite to destroy last stronghold of Japanese traditionalism - Yakuza?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yakuza >Traditionalist
This is akin to saying the Italian Mafia is the last bastion of Ancient Roman identity, that is to say you sound like a fricking moron.
Yakuza are criminals who seek profit, that's it
While I have my issues with the guy, he is definitely one of the most interesting authors in all of recent history. I've read most of his books and they're all pretty good stuff.
>Why didn't he just start a political party instead of doing a LARP suicide coup?
Because fundamentally he was an aesthete. Read his books. For him politics were an end, not a means. He was obsessed with beauty and death. His suicide was planned out far ahead of time to coincide with the final release of his magnus opus.
holy based response. im so fricking sick of moronic extremists throwing out all their toys because they cant have a commie/fascy revolution at the drop of a hat when 99% of people fricking hate them to the core.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Normies get out
2 years ago
Anonymous
i was here before you stormhomosexuals invaded this website you larping teenage b***h
reminder: you are hated everywhere you go and you will never be succesful, you reject democracy because its an admission you will never win anything and you are forced to cope with that fact
2 years ago
Anonymous
IQfy was always racist, but the libertarian variety of it. It became antisemitic after the israeli financial crash of 08.
>t. oldgay
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm specifically talking about people who reject democracy. usually natsocs
t. racist liberal
2 years ago
Anonymous
>racist liberal
2 years ago
Anonymous
Racist liberalism is the most successful ideology in history
2 years ago
Anonymous
So successful that it abolished itself
2 years ago
Anonymous
as have all ideologies in the grand time scale of human history
2 years ago
Anonymous
> So successful that it abolished itself
Vgh, the most Faustian thing possible!
Don’t worry, the once and future king is merely sleeping, not dead
He didn’t actually care about politics. his entire shtick was about art and aesthetics, he 100% knew that the rebellion would fail and just wanted an excuse to do Le tragic seppuku
Fascinating guy, but I get the impression that he was just unhappy by the time he staged his coup and used it to die honorably and leave a legacy along with his literature.
>jap artist makes a bombastic show of defiance against a world he can not change, carefully planned and executed after decades of writing about the concept >"yeah he was peobably just depressed"
americans, everyone
>thinks only jap far right is infested with homosexuals
careful with any irl meetups you go to zoomer, feds aren’t the only predators you need to worry about
anyone who has spent time in “dissident” right circles is very familiar with his archetype. A malingerer, a sadist, a pervert. The actual army laughed at him after he delivered his manifesto; it’d be like Elton John tying up the British’s top brass with silk cords and sequins before asking the confused soldiers outside to reinstate the Stuarts because they were just so fabulous.
>The actual army laughed at him after he delivered his manifesto
This is a common misconception. Some of the troops laughed because they literally couldn't hear him, and it was like just some guy on a balcony a quarter of a mile away shouting inarticulately.
Somehow this makes the whole incident even more pathetic. Mishima baring his heart for the whole world to see, except nobody even hears the speech he painstakingly crafted for the greatest moment of his entire life, before scurrying off to kill himself in absolute shame.
Romanticism is one hell of a drug.
>WHAT'S THIS?? STUDENT PROTESTORS AND 1960S DEGENERACY?? >let us examine the root of the psychology and sociology behind it, the demoralization and retreat into base hedonism >clearly the solution is.. WE NEED BE MILITARISTS LIKE IN WW2 THEY HAD SO MUCH MORE SOVL!!! MUH SAMURAI!!!! >I know, I'll attempt a half-assed military coup without even bothering to establish a network of supporters then kill myself when it doesn't work
seems kind of moronic tbqh, what exactly am I supposed to admire about him precisely
Why didn't he just start a political party instead of doing a LARP suicide coup?
>the main ideologue of japanese nationalism was a homosexual.
Jap bros, I...
Mishima's point was never "le retvrn to tradition" or "we need the emperor bvck".
Mishima's nationalism was but a medium through which his personal idealism manifested. He thought that the ancient Imperial order was of value not out of itself, but so long as it represented his romantic vision of reality. Mishima represents the confrontation between Romanticism and Post-modern Japan, which could extend to a confrontation between a decaying ideal interpretation of the world and the emergence of a purely scientificist, materialistic interpretation.
You have to take a look at Romanticism and its complete absence in Japan to understand what Mishima's "movement" was actually about: the prevail of sentiment over reason, the exaltation of irrationality, the belief in a powerful collective to which all individual wills are subjected. Those are Romantic tropes. And since in Japan Romanticism hadn't ever made its way, what Mishima did was completely novel in its historical context.
The fact that Mishima was based not on brainless chauvinism or gratuitous nationalism can be seen in his praise for certain actions committed by the Red Army of Japan. He repeatedly mentioned his similarities with the radical-left student movement, both in interviews and books. Precisely because he was talking about a Romantic, idealist understanding of life, concept which he thought lied at the core of the radical-left -- what mattered the less were the particular, political manifestations of it.
IQfy doesn't actually read history, philosophy, or anything in between. The people who bash Mishima haven't never read anything related to romanticism, nietzsche or ancient Greece, all of which influenced Mishima.
fyi zoomers do not accept any drinks from a “based right wing guy” talking a lot about what the ancient Greeks thought about aesthetics, you might get drugged and wake up with monkeypox
>You have to take a look at Romanticism and its complete absence in Japan to understand what Mishima's "movement" was actually about: the prevail of sentiment over reason, the exaltation of irrationality, the belief in a powerful collective to which all individual wills are subjected. Those are Romantic tropes. And since in Japan Romanticism hadn't ever made its way, what Mishima did was completely novel in its historical context.
Excellent post. It took until I read Temple of the Golden Pavillion for this to sink in for me.
While this is a quality post and you are correct, this doesn't explain why he tried to orchestrate a half-assed military coup and then immediately killed himself instead of choosing another course of action.
>this doesn't explain why he tried to orchestrate a half-assed military coup and then immediately killed himself instead of choosing another course of action.
Not him, but the whole point of the honor larp is to, like the samurai of old, die an honorable death for cause and purpose.
An heroing the way he did it is "honorable" no matter how you look at it, either he killed himself because he'd failed the emperor by not being able to restore him to greatness after valiantly trying, OR he knew he would fail because of how far Japan had fallen, and the seppuku was a testament to the Japan that had died, a call to action to change course, and Mishima's own disillusionment with the state of affairs.
This is the poetic way of looking at it, and we will never truly know, there is a cynical take that he solely did it for notoriety so his books would sell more and be recognized, and that could well be part of it. It could also have been performance art, or simply depression, though I would lean heavily against that. It could also have been any mix of the above.
2 years ago
Anonymous
or he was a sadistic homosexual staring down 20 more years of paying rent boys cash to rodger his liver marked ass, and behaved like most other histrionic queers and killed himself before he developed lack of bowel control.
this is a long and flowery way of saying he was a larper who lived and died by his beliefs, which whilst admirable when you further analyse how he did it, is little more impressive then your average school shooter
maybe the intricacies you explain are interesting to some but the thought process you display was already being discussed in this thread
>he was a larper who lived and died by his beliefs, which whilst admirable when you further analyse how he did it, is little more impressive then your average school shooter
The comparison is perhaps even more spot-on than you might think. If mass shootings had been a thing in Mishima's time, I guarantee you he'd have at least considered the idea of going out this way, especially considering his lingering guilt about draft dodging and perpetual insecurities about his physical inadequacies.
At the end of the day, he was little more than a self-hating loser who was just a little too smart to consistently succeed in blaming the world for his own failures, but not smart enough to avoid the trap of escapism and idealism.
His seppuku being completely botched after he got laughed off-stage was a fitting end to such a man. After an entire life of LARPing, even after he carefully constructed the events leading up to his death, the real world still triumphed in the end.
>Pussy out from the war >Demand that the rest of Japan should go through the horror again just so that he can feel better about himself
This dude has to be one of the biggest narcissists in human history.
whites and east asians are civilized peoples, everyone else is the minority
2 years ago
Anonymous
Minority doesn't mean subhuman it means less than a majority of the population in a given area.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>east asians are civilized peoples >He clearly hasn't read their history or how African tier the fricking average countryside was
Stop jerking off to your body pillow and read Japs savage shit they done to Allies and East Asians from ww2.
Hell just look quality of life they live that wasn't a lord or any samurai class and far from those castles weebs like to post to assume they were everywhere.
2 years ago
Anonymous
that's seoul, no one's claiming the asiatics are white >Japs savage shit they done to Allies and East Asians from ww2
you quit you get slit, sounds fair enough to me
2 years ago
Anonymous
He said East Asians he didn't specified Japanese. Tho to be fair Japs they did a whole lot raping akin to Africans, so I wouldn't call them white tier.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>moronic esl doesn't know what minority means
You will never be White and Whites will never accept you.
Minority doesn't mean subhuman it means less than a majority of the population in a given area.
by your own definition, whites are minorities. Also, Japan has much less crime rate, almost zero homelessness, great public transportation, great public healthcare, and is generally much better than the USA. I wouldn't call it a shithole. I'd rather live in Japan than New York or Detroit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes whites are minorities in nonwhite countries. Can you speak Japanese weeb? If not I don't think living in Japan is for you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Can you speak Japanese weeb? If not I don't think living in Japan is for you
Not an argument. I didn't say I'll stay in Japan. What I said is that Japan is objectively a better place to live than most of the USA. I don't wish to live in Japan or the USA. >Yes whites are minorities in nonwhite countries
Right. You called Japs "minorities" because "everywhere else they are". That applies to whites also, so you should start calling whites "minorities" too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Japan is objectively a better place to live than most of the USA
no it fricking isn't lmao. have sex.
Why didn't he just start a political party instead of doing a LARP suicide coup?
he just wanted a reason to kill himself that made him look like a hero
Gays are just narcissistic like that
>gay
Propaganda.
>gay
He said himself he had homosexual thoughts growing up.
He literally married a woman.
And still went to gay bars. And posed scantily clad. And wrote bios about gay feelings. Was he just enjoying the scenery anon?
>you can't admire something without being sexually attracted to it
must be tough being so socially moronic your only emotions are anger and lust
Mishima talks about sex in every damn book he wrote kek, have you actually read his stuff?
>"admire" men sexually
>don't go for it
in your mind, what's so virtuous about that?
it's just lame and cucked.
Besides, he very likely did go for it anyway.
He probably had an affair with an onnagata afaik.
?t=162
yayoiest motherfricker i've ever seen
Your picrel along with the comment made me kek, ngl
>chauvinism
>Women knowing their place bad
>gratuitous nationalism
>caring about your fellow countryman bad
No thanks, I like my family unit nice and cozy -w-
8yJAP captcha
>Also inb4 I'm a le racist white male
I'm Latino
indeed, he was more likely bisexual
Why do you morons need to cope so much about Mishima's sexuality ? Who cares if he was gay anyway, does it change anything to his writings ?
Because I hate gays
Having sex with other men wasn't even frowned upon in traditional Japanese culture. Pretty much every Kabuki actor moonlighted as a male prostitute who gave his bussy to samurai regularly.
>it’s not gay, it’s just bros helping bros
this is the end of the line for all that Nietzchean overman stuff. Master morality so you can shove wieners up your ass lmao
mishima: my first wank happened when i saw an art piece of St. Sebastian
this homosexual: n-no he was not gay! he married a woman!
mishima: as a child I remember falling in love with a painting of a European knight in full armor, full of martial valor. I lost all interest when I learned the person being depicted was Joan of Arc.
he was actually probably homosexual according to many trustful sources
>wrote homosexual novels
>wrote about his homosexual feelings in private writings
>was in a well-documented gay relationship with Akihiro Miwa (who is still alive)
>he used to fly to San Francisco and have sex with men in bathhouses
Yeah, okay bud.
There's no way in hell a straight man wrote Confessions of a Mask.
Political parties are the biggest larps though. They're just glorified book clubs.
yet you pay them taxes
I do? Since when
Seems like it should have been right up his alley then.
He thought democracy was gay.
cause he was a middle aged homosexual. Nice uniform, very butch.
I don't think democracy would accept extreme far right into a political party like Mishima.
>but what about communist party of japan???
that's just a name for the party. they are mostly social democrat irl.
he should organizing a bigger military coup tbh.
There have been nationalist elements in the LDP, including the influential Nippon Kaigi, as well as successful ultra right-wing politicians like Shintaro Ishihara. Mishima would have been unlikely to go very far in politics but at least he would have had some kind of actual influence rather than be remembered for le kino seppuku.
Yeah I agree that most japan political party are very right wing in some extend but I don't think Mishima are willingly to join a political party he's just in love with imperial japanese romanticism. Guy like him want to fight and die for their nation, I don't think he wont fit well with office bureaucrat or shit like that.
He's just an old man living in a new era...
*who can't continue living in a modern era
>Shintaro Ishihara
>was Governor of Tokyo from 1999 to 2012.
is he the one who banned incest anime?
Just think of what they could have accomplished together...
>muh nippon kaigi
This is your brain on Jake Adelstein articles. Barely a relevant entity in terms of organizing anything in Japanese politics.
>t. Married a woman from a family with elected LDP members.
>Shinzo Abe is a member
>N-no Gaijin nothing to see here!!
Right. And every world leader is a member of various clubs. Doesn't make those clubs the puppet masters.
>last stronghold of Japanese traditionalism - Yakuza?
Two problems. One, Jake is full of lies. Most stories in Tokyo Vice are completely laughable. Two, yakuza are mostly ethnic Koreans who couldn't give a shit about culture. Two-bit thugs. Why do you think that Osaka and Fukuoka are the biggest "Yakuza" cities?
>seething about Koreans
uyoku dantai identified
Saying that yakuza are Korean is seething? Okay buddy.
You know that virtually every major yakuza figure is well documented, right? Including their real names and tsuumei?
Yakuza, yakiniku, and pachinko are industries mostly run by North Koreans. Everyone knows this, but people outside of Japan just don't want to believe that 1) North Koreans are a major demographic in Japan and 2) they are very clannish and dominate industries that Japanese would be embarrassed to be involved with.
2 atom bombs weren't enough it seems.
was Adelstein actually CIA plant israelite to destroy last stronghold of Japanese traditionalism - Yakuza?
>Yakuza
>Traditionalist
This is akin to saying the Italian Mafia is the last bastion of Ancient Roman identity, that is to say you sound like a fricking moron.
Yakuza are criminals who seek profit, that's it
Mishima was the ultimate theater kid living in 19th century Romanticism. He didn't want real change, he wanted to go out like his literary heroes had.
Memeshima
He never thought of changing the system. He just wanted attention. Just another homosexual
While I have my issues with the guy, he is definitely one of the most interesting authors in all of recent history. I've read most of his books and they're all pretty good stuff.
>Why didn't he just start a political party instead of doing a LARP suicide coup?
Because fundamentally he was an aesthete. Read his books. For him politics were an end, not a means. He was obsessed with beauty and death. His suicide was planned out far ahead of time to coincide with the final release of his magnus opus.
>Read his books
Your mistake is expecting IQfy to actually read anything.
>people in replies actually believe democracy works
this board is more moronic than /x/ sometimes
>nooo my fringe extremist political takes dont get elected democracy literslly doesnt work
holy based response. im so fricking sick of moronic extremists throwing out all their toys because they cant have a commie/fascy revolution at the drop of a hat when 99% of people fricking hate them to the core.
Normies get out
i was here before you stormhomosexuals invaded this website you larping teenage b***h
reminder: you are hated everywhere you go and you will never be succesful, you reject democracy because its an admission you will never win anything and you are forced to cope with that fact
IQfy was always racist, but the libertarian variety of it. It became antisemitic after the israeli financial crash of 08.
>t. oldgay
I'm specifically talking about people who reject democracy. usually natsocs
t. racist liberal
>racist liberal
Racist liberalism is the most successful ideology in history
So successful that it abolished itself
as have all ideologies in the grand time scale of human history
> So successful that it abolished itself
Vgh, the most Faustian thing possible!
Don’t worry, the once and future king is merely sleeping, not dead
What?
He didn’t actually care about politics. his entire shtick was about art and aesthetics, he 100% knew that the rebellion would fail and just wanted an excuse to do Le tragic seppuku
If he knew 50 years later the only people who would think he was based were alt-right teenagers would he still have done it?
Yes. He'd probably be impressed that he had any fans half a century later.
Fascinating guy, but I get the impression that he was just unhappy by the time he staged his coup and used it to die honorably and leave a legacy along with his literature.
>jap artist makes a bombastic show of defiance against a world he can not change, carefully planned and executed after decades of writing about the concept
>"yeah he was peobably just depressed"
americans, everyone
Make him proud
Kek. Japs chose sucking western wiener and ass over whatever he was offering.
Mishima was all about sucking Western wiener. His favorite books were all Romanticist European literature.
Literal drama queen.
>the main ideologue of japanese nationalism was a homosexual.
Jap bros, I...
>main ideologue of japanese nationalism
LOL, no. He is barely even paid lip service in the contemporary Japanese far right.
>thinks only jap far right is infested with homosexuals
careful with any irl meetups you go to zoomer, feds aren’t the only predators you need to worry about
Learned a lot about him at uni, he was a deeply sad man under all that machismo. Fascinating for sure, very good novelist.
anyone who has spent time in “dissident” right circles is very familiar with his archetype. A malingerer, a sadist, a pervert. The actual army laughed at him after he delivered his manifesto; it’d be like Elton John tying up the British’s top brass with silk cords and sequins before asking the confused soldiers outside to reinstate the Stuarts because they were just so fabulous.
And then Elton John STABBING HIMSELF
right
>The actual army laughed at him after he delivered his manifesto
This is a common misconception. Some of the troops laughed because they literally couldn't hear him, and it was like just some guy on a balcony a quarter of a mile away shouting inarticulately.
Somehow this makes the whole incident even more pathetic. Mishima baring his heart for the whole world to see, except nobody even hears the speech he painstakingly crafted for the greatest moment of his entire life, before scurrying off to kill himself in absolute shame.
Romanticism is one hell of a drug.
>WHAT'S THIS?? STUDENT PROTESTORS AND 1960S DEGENERACY??
>let us examine the root of the psychology and sociology behind it, the demoralization and retreat into base hedonism
>clearly the solution is.. WE NEED BE MILITARISTS LIKE IN WW2 THEY HAD SO MUCH MORE SOVL!!! MUH SAMURAI!!!!
>I know, I'll attempt a half-assed military coup without even bothering to establish a network of supporters then kill myself when it doesn't work
seems kind of moronic tbqh, what exactly am I supposed to admire about him precisely
Mishima's point was never "le retvrn to tradition" or "we need the emperor bvck".
Mishima's nationalism was but a medium through which his personal idealism manifested. He thought that the ancient Imperial order was of value not out of itself, but so long as it represented his romantic vision of reality. Mishima represents the confrontation between Romanticism and Post-modern Japan, which could extend to a confrontation between a decaying ideal interpretation of the world and the emergence of a purely scientificist, materialistic interpretation.
You have to take a look at Romanticism and its complete absence in Japan to understand what Mishima's "movement" was actually about: the prevail of sentiment over reason, the exaltation of irrationality, the belief in a powerful collective to which all individual wills are subjected. Those are Romantic tropes. And since in Japan Romanticism hadn't ever made its way, what Mishima did was completely novel in its historical context.
The fact that Mishima was based not on brainless chauvinism or gratuitous nationalism can be seen in his praise for certain actions committed by the Red Army of Japan. He repeatedly mentioned his similarities with the radical-left student movement, both in interviews and books. Precisely because he was talking about a Romantic, idealist understanding of life, concept which he thought lied at the core of the radical-left -- what mattered the less were the particular, political manifestations of it.
Good post bro
IQfy doesn't actually read history, philosophy, or anything in between. The people who bash Mishima haven't never read anything related to romanticism, nietzsche or ancient Greece, all of which influenced Mishima.
fyi zoomers do not accept any drinks from a “based right wing guy” talking a lot about what the ancient Greeks thought about aesthetics, you might get drugged and wake up with monkeypox
Yep essentially the people here are pulp eurocentrism.
>You have to take a look at Romanticism and its complete absence in Japan to understand what Mishima's "movement" was actually about: the prevail of sentiment over reason, the exaltation of irrationality, the belief in a powerful collective to which all individual wills are subjected. Those are Romantic tropes. And since in Japan Romanticism hadn't ever made its way, what Mishima did was completely novel in its historical context.
Excellent post. It took until I read Temple of the Golden Pavillion for this to sink in for me.
While this is a quality post and you are correct, this doesn't explain why he tried to orchestrate a half-assed military coup and then immediately killed himself instead of choosing another course of action.
>this doesn't explain why he tried to orchestrate a half-assed military coup and then immediately killed himself instead of choosing another course of action.
Not him, but the whole point of the honor larp is to, like the samurai of old, die an honorable death for cause and purpose.
An heroing the way he did it is "honorable" no matter how you look at it, either he killed himself because he'd failed the emperor by not being able to restore him to greatness after valiantly trying, OR he knew he would fail because of how far Japan had fallen, and the seppuku was a testament to the Japan that had died, a call to action to change course, and Mishima's own disillusionment with the state of affairs.
This is the poetic way of looking at it, and we will never truly know, there is a cynical take that he solely did it for notoriety so his books would sell more and be recognized, and that could well be part of it. It could also have been performance art, or simply depression, though I would lean heavily against that. It could also have been any mix of the above.
or he was a sadistic homosexual staring down 20 more years of paying rent boys cash to rodger his liver marked ass, and behaved like most other histrionic queers and killed himself before he developed lack of bowel control.
this is a long and flowery way of saying he was a larper who lived and died by his beliefs, which whilst admirable when you further analyse how he did it, is little more impressive then your average school shooter
maybe the intricacies you explain are interesting to some but the thought process you display was already being discussed in this thread
>he was a larper who lived and died by his beliefs, which whilst admirable when you further analyse how he did it, is little more impressive then your average school shooter
The comparison is perhaps even more spot-on than you might think. If mass shootings had been a thing in Mishima's time, I guarantee you he'd have at least considered the idea of going out this way, especially considering his lingering guilt about draft dodging and perpetual insecurities about his physical inadequacies.
At the end of the day, he was little more than a self-hating loser who was just a little too smart to consistently succeed in blaming the world for his own failures, but not smart enough to avoid the trap of escapism and idealism.
His seppuku being completely botched after he got laughed off-stage was a fitting end to such a man. After an entire life of LARPing, even after he carefully constructed the events leading up to his death, the real world still triumphed in the end.
He should've killed himself at cherry blossom time.
>Pussy out from the war
>Demand that the rest of Japan should go through the horror again just so that he can feel better about himself
This dude has to be one of the biggest narcissists in human history.
He didn't pussy out, he had a cough.
you got me I kek'd
Sorry MishimaLover1488, you will never be welcome on the right, now go sit with the other perverts and minorities with the shitlibs
japs aren't minorities
only in their own shithole; everywhere else they are
whites and east asians are civilized peoples, everyone else is the minority
Minority doesn't mean subhuman it means less than a majority of the population in a given area.
>east asians are civilized peoples
>He clearly hasn't read their history or how African tier the fricking average countryside was
Stop jerking off to your body pillow and read Japs savage shit they done to Allies and East Asians from ww2.
Hell just look quality of life they live that wasn't a lord or any samurai class and far from those castles weebs like to post to assume they were everywhere.
that's seoul, no one's claiming the asiatics are white
>Japs savage shit they done to Allies and East Asians from ww2
you quit you get slit, sounds fair enough to me
He said East Asians he didn't specified Japanese. Tho to be fair Japs they did a whole lot raping akin to Africans, so I wouldn't call them white tier.
>moronic esl doesn't know what minority means
You will never be White and Whites will never accept you.
by your own definition, whites are minorities. Also, Japan has much less crime rate, almost zero homelessness, great public transportation, great public healthcare, and is generally much better than the USA. I wouldn't call it a shithole. I'd rather live in Japan than New York or Detroit.
Yes whites are minorities in nonwhite countries. Can you speak Japanese weeb? If not I don't think living in Japan is for you.
>Can you speak Japanese weeb? If not I don't think living in Japan is for you
Not an argument. I didn't say I'll stay in Japan. What I said is that Japan is objectively a better place to live than most of the USA. I don't wish to live in Japan or the USA.
>Yes whites are minorities in nonwhite countries
Right. You called Japs "minorities" because "everywhere else they are". That applies to whites also, so you should start calling whites "minorities" too.
>Japan is objectively a better place to live than most of the USA
no it fricking isn't lmao. have sex.
Be the change you want to see in the world
Imagine larping yourself to death
We should all be so lucky