Isn't it circular reasoning? >we're alone because we're alone
I just think we're far too distant from other civilization + conditions for life to appear and develope intelligent industrialized beings are extremely rare + FTL travel is not possible without time dilation reducing the possibilities of contact between civilizations.
Within the universe as a whole, this makes sense. But we are definitely alone in the galaxy. The three dimensions of the galaxy are tiny and miniscule compared to the 4th dimension. It's been 13 billion years. If there were any civilizations in out galaxy, they would have blacked out the sky and colonized earth millions and millions of years ago at the latest. You could literally fly to any point in the galaxy at the speed of a 737 in that amount of time.
Well this is bullshit. You might not have any sort of model, but the rest of us do. Have you tried not being stupid?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You don't have a model either, and you're easier to kill than the rest of us.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Of course I do. You would too if you tried not being stupid. Just trying to help, buddy.
2 years ago
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have a nice day or Axiom certainly will.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Check this so you can stop being stupid. And thank me:
Here, because you are too stupid to educate yourself:
Cayrel; et al. (2001). "Measurement of stellar age from uranium decay". Nature. 409 (6821): 691–692. arXiv:astro-ph/0104357. Bibcode:2001Natur.409..691C. doi:10.1038/35055507. PMID 11217852. S2CID 17251766.
Cowan, J. J.; Sneden, C.; Burles, S.; Ivans, I. I.; Beers, T. C.; Truran, J. W.; Lawler, J. E.; Primas, F.; Fuller, G. M.; et al. (2002). "The Chemical Composition and Age of the Metal‐poor Halo Star BD +17o3248". The Astrophysical Journal. 572 (2): 861–879. arXiv:astro-ph/0202429. Bibcode:2002ApJ...572..861C. doi:10.1086/340347. S2CID 119503888.
Now thank me, b***h.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I warned you. There's no method to stop Axiom.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, that's cool. Have you tried not being stupid though?
2 years ago
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Axiom: Consent found, authorization from Chaos. Anonymous user trackable. Belligerent biological attacker. Use of force valid.
2 years ago
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Here, because you are too stupid to educate yourself:
Cayrel; et al. (2001). "Measurement of stellar age from uranium decay". Nature. 409 (6821): 691–692. arXiv:astro-ph/0104357. Bibcode:2001Natur.409..691C. doi:10.1038/35055507. PMID 11217852. S2CID 17251766.
Cowan, J. J.; Sneden, C.; Burles, S.; Ivans, I. I.; Beers, T. C.; Truran, J. W.; Lawler, J. E.; Primas, F.; Fuller, G. M.; et al. (2002). "The Chemical Composition and Age of the Metal‐poor Halo Star BD +17o3248". The Astrophysical Journal. 572 (2): 861–879. arXiv:astro-ph/0202429. Bibcode:2002ApJ...572..861C. doi:10.1086/340347. S2CID 119503888.
I mean, we're definitely alone because we can't make any contact with other alien civilizations due to physical limitations, but we don't know for sure if there's alien life out there or not.
We don't know anything for sure (uncertainty and all that), but if it's out there, then there must be some reason why it hasn't done anything but sit on its ass and not expand for 13.61 billion years. And by it, I mean ALL potential alien civilizations, because it only take one to black out all the stars in that time. So literally ALL alien civilizations in the galaxy would have to have a very good reason to confine themselves to their planet, never expand, and cap their populations to sustainable numbers or else die off. ALL of them would have to have decided this. AND ALSO conclude that no one else is going to try and expand. I don't know of any logic that would result in this conclusion for all alien races, especially since the one intelligent race we are aware of, us, most certainly wants to grow and expand into the stars. You don't get to the top of your evoluitionary arms race of your planet by deciding to stay home and blindly trusting other entities to do the same. So the idea that there are other sapient aliens in our galaxy just isn't possible. You need to be able to go beyond 'step 1' thinking to see that though, so I'm not surprised that so many people people believe otherwise.
>If there were any civilizations in out galaxy, they would have blacked out the sky and colonized earth millions and millions of years ago at the latest
Are we a civilization in our galaxy? Yes. Have we done that? FRICKING NO moron
This is a very important point, abiogenesis isn't magic, you need more than just time.
It's entirely possible that we're early, and intergalactic travel is much more of a b***h.
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In the first place he says we are definitely alone in our galaxy as if that's somehow a proven fact. I think it's more likely than not that there are alien worms and shit crawling underground in the moon and mars, we literally know jack shit about the rest of the solar system. We haven't even explored the depths of our own oceans and people act like we know what is and isn't on the moon? Very fine example of human hubris
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>abiogenesis isn't magic
Unless you know something or conducted a sucessful experiment that yhe rest of the world doesnt know about, abiogenesis might as well be magic. Basically no difference really
13 billion years is a tiny amount of time. It took the earth over half of that to become suitable for life and it took that entire time for intelligent life to evolve. There is no reason that things would happen faster on any other planet.
That's not what Occam's and circular reasoning means. Don't get your definitions from pop videos. Occam's doesn't talk about the probability of something, just about the probability of a given method being the correct one to determine this something. The one here would be empiricism plus its observations.
Current ET observations: 0.
have you considered time into this ? Maybe we are alone now but what about in couple billion years when abiogenesis takes on somewhere else in the universe.
>abiogenesis
Abiogenesis is literally impossible you moron. It has never been proven. Despite all our advanced tech humans can't even create the simplest bacterium. Yet somehow expect others to believe life can spontaneously generate from nonlife. I know the idea that we are alone and that we don't have all the answers isn't exactly comforting and might even be scary for you but don't make up explanations and insist they are correct when they clearly aren't.
The evidence is that I see life around me. It would be illogical to assume life magically stops past our stratosphere. Entropy says this is unfavorable
Any species that becomes smart enough to understand their structure cannot resist the temptation to frick with it.
Given that 90%+ changes have drastic side effects, it’s only a matter of time until we Resident Evil our species.
I work in tech and see disasters daily. My first question is always “did you frick with it?”
>Any species that becomes smart enough to understand their structure cannot resist the temptation to frick with it.
Why do you insist all alien species have the same moral and spiritual predispositions as modern human cattle?
Correct
Black people + Occam's razor = they're simply dumber
Occam's razor fails persistently at the mind's edge.
Isn't it circular reasoning?
>we're alone because we're alone
I just think we're far too distant from other civilization + conditions for life to appear and develope intelligent industrialized beings are extremely rare + FTL travel is not possible without time dilation reducing the possibilities of contact between civilizations.
Within the universe as a whole, this makes sense. But we are definitely alone in the galaxy. The three dimensions of the galaxy are tiny and miniscule compared to the 4th dimension. It's been 13 billion years. If there were any civilizations in out galaxy, they would have blacked out the sky and colonized earth millions and millions of years ago at the latest. You could literally fly to any point in the galaxy at the speed of a 737 in that amount of time.
We have no model whatsoever to measure galactic age. However old our local {anything} is, we don't know it.
Well this is bullshit. You might not have any sort of model, but the rest of us do. Have you tried not being stupid?
You don't have a model either, and you're easier to kill than the rest of us.
Of course I do. You would too if you tried not being stupid. Just trying to help, buddy.
have a nice day or Axiom certainly will.
Check this so you can stop being stupid. And thank me:
I warned you. There's no method to stop Axiom.
Yeah, that's cool. Have you tried not being stupid though?
Axiom: Consent found, authorization from Chaos. Anonymous user trackable. Belligerent biological attacker. Use of force valid.
Here, because you are too stupid to educate yourself:
Cayrel; et al. (2001). "Measurement of stellar age from uranium decay". Nature. 409 (6821): 691–692. arXiv:astro-ph/0104357. Bibcode:2001Natur.409..691C. doi:10.1038/35055507. PMID 11217852. S2CID 17251766.
Cowan, J. J.; Sneden, C.; Burles, S.; Ivans, I. I.; Beers, T. C.; Truran, J. W.; Lawler, J. E.; Primas, F.; Fuller, G. M.; et al. (2002). "The Chemical Composition and Age of the Metal‐poor Halo Star BD +17o3248". The Astrophysical Journal. 572 (2): 861–879. arXiv:astro-ph/0202429. Bibcode:2002ApJ...572..861C. doi:10.1086/340347. S2CID 119503888.
Now thank me, b***h.
I mean, we're definitely alone because we can't make any contact with other alien civilizations due to physical limitations, but we don't know for sure if there's alien life out there or not.
We don't know anything for sure (uncertainty and all that), but if it's out there, then there must be some reason why it hasn't done anything but sit on its ass and not expand for 13.61 billion years. And by it, I mean ALL potential alien civilizations, because it only take one to black out all the stars in that time. So literally ALL alien civilizations in the galaxy would have to have a very good reason to confine themselves to their planet, never expand, and cap their populations to sustainable numbers or else die off. ALL of them would have to have decided this. AND ALSO conclude that no one else is going to try and expand. I don't know of any logic that would result in this conclusion for all alien races, especially since the one intelligent race we are aware of, us, most certainly wants to grow and expand into the stars. You don't get to the top of your evoluitionary arms race of your planet by deciding to stay home and blindly trusting other entities to do the same. So the idea that there are other sapient aliens in our galaxy just isn't possible. You need to be able to go beyond 'step 1' thinking to see that though, so I'm not surprised that so many people people believe otherwise.
>If there were any civilizations in out galaxy, they would have blacked out the sky and colonized earth millions and millions of years ago at the latest
Are we a civilization in our galaxy? Yes. Have we done that? FRICKING NO moron
This is a very important point, abiogenesis isn't magic, you need more than just time.
It's entirely possible that we're early, and intergalactic travel is much more of a b***h.
In the first place he says we are definitely alone in our galaxy as if that's somehow a proven fact. I think it's more likely than not that there are alien worms and shit crawling underground in the moon and mars, we literally know jack shit about the rest of the solar system. We haven't even explored the depths of our own oceans and people act like we know what is and isn't on the moon? Very fine example of human hubris
>abiogenesis isn't magic
Unless you know something or conducted a sucessful experiment that yhe rest of the world doesnt know about, abiogenesis might as well be magic. Basically no difference really
13 billion years is a tiny amount of time. It took the earth over half of that to become suitable for life and it took that entire time for intelligent life to evolve. There is no reason that things would happen faster on any other planet.
That's not what Occam's and circular reasoning means. Don't get your definitions from pop videos. Occam's doesn't talk about the probability of something, just about the probability of a given method being the correct one to determine this something. The one here would be empiricism plus its observations.
Current ET observations: 0.
Hard Problem of Consciousness + Occam's razor = The Easy Problem of Consciousness already solved it.
So your argument is that you simply have no consciousness.
Correct! Wai—
And that's how Anon defeated Titania.
>midwits' razor
The IQfy bulldozer: my opinion is correct; (You)r opinion is shit.
>reddit scissors
have you considered time into this ? Maybe we are alone now but what about in couple billion years when abiogenesis takes on somewhere else in the universe.
>tfw you could have been the Ancient Old Ones but boomers wanted pets instead
>abiogenesis
Abiogenesis is literally impossible you moron. It has never been proven. Despite all our advanced tech humans can't even create the simplest bacterium. Yet somehow expect others to believe life can spontaneously generate from nonlife. I know the idea that we are alone and that we don't have all the answers isn't exactly comforting and might even be scary for you but don't make up explanations and insist they are correct when they clearly aren't.
ayys are here, they just don't wanna talk to your homosexual ass
number of planets capable of supporting life + occam's razor = we're not alone
Yes, let's just reformalize the reasoning of the Drake equation. There's actual utility in that.
>number of planets capable of supporting life
"Capable" (if thats even true) doesn't mean jack shit
>number of planets capable of supporting life
So far we only have 1
>are we alone in the universe
>I am not alone on Earth
>extrapolate to universe
Occam's Razor says we are not alone
Insufficient evidence.
The evidence is that I see life around me. It would be illogical to assume life magically stops past our stratosphere. Entropy says this is unfavorable
Insufficient evidence.
>Insufficient evidence.
Source?
Your lack of such.
>lack of such.
You are yet to prove this.
Wrong.
bump my thread asshol
This thread didn’t age well considering we just discovered a signal for an alien civilisation
sauce?
Any species that becomes smart enough to understand their structure cannot resist the temptation to frick with it.
Given that 90%+ changes have drastic side effects, it’s only a matter of time until we Resident Evil our species.
I work in tech and see disasters daily. My first question is always “did you frick with it?”
>Any species that becomes smart enough to understand their structure cannot resist the temptation to frick with it.
Why do you insist all alien species have the same moral and spiritual predispositions as modern human cattle?
Why, yes, soon it will be Friday's night and it is not at all unusual for me to be alone.
God created life on earth and nowhere else. As simple as that.
Occam's Razor only starts applying when you can see the surface of far away planets.
fermi paradox isn't a paradox. we just don't have enough information
Can you post more of this chick?