As another anon pointed out, the Oedipus complex does not mean consciously desiring veganal sex with your mother, which is considered supremely taboo in all societies. (Gee, it is almost like nature equipped us with instincts to avoid incestuous reproduction. Who knows? Could be, could be!).
I have no problem at all saying that is repugnant, evil and perverted.
People run away from Freud because they get stuck on this incorrect, literal rendering. Freud expanded the idea of sexuality into non-sexual domains. Freud sees the way you eat and chew as having a relation to the sexual self, for example. He did not REDUCE everything to sexuality, he EXPANDED sexuality into everything. Sex is life and death. It makes sense that it encompasses all of life-- it literally causes life. I sometimes imagine, probably incorrectly, that Sakyamuni Buddha was getting at a similar notion with the twelvefold chain of causation, beginning with desire rather than sex, but it is a cipher-round, it does not matter where you start. "Life is nothing but desires" is simultaneously Buddhist and Freudian in sentiment.
Freud's terms are clunky and neoligstic, they are laden with popular notions of him, and so now they cannot be used by any serious person. Freud, like Marx, Hegel and other big-system thinkers, has the hazard of appearing to explain everything. He doesn't. Nobody does. Humans do not have that power. Those who read Freud and find all the answers are totally lost, unfortunately.
>People run away from Freud because they get stuck on this incorrect, literal rendering. Freud expanded the idea of sexuality into non-sexual domains. Freud sees the way you eat and chew as having a relation to the sexual self, for example. He did not REDUCE everything to sexuality, he EXPANDED sexuality into everything.
I know this doesn't really concern your post. But, nothing is more moronic than academics popularising the Oedipus complex to mean wanting incest. Have they never read the story? The entire point is Oedipus NOT wanting to frick his mom and kill his own father. It has nothing to do with incest besides it tragic. That entire term needs to be reprogrammed to mean defying fate makes it real or something else to do with the actual story
Freud was brilliant, but he was also wrong 99% of the time. His major innovation was emphasizing the role of the subconscious, which is crucial and is the basis of all modern psychology. The problem is just that when he drew conclusions about what the tangible consequences of subconscious were, he was literally always wrong, 100% of the time. Which is why serious psychologists acknowledge his historical importance but nobody reads him seriously for any reason other than historical importance. The only people who still dwell on Freud's bullshit conclusions (and Jung's, for that matter) are new age frauds and scam artists. But Freud himself was not a fraud, he was a genius who was just wrong pretty much all the time, probably because he was egotistical and got carried away after coming up with his one critical insight, the subconscious.
Freud is not relevant for psychologists because Freud himself was not a psychologist and didn't write anything about psychology. Every psychoanalyst reads him though.
What he wrote was just squalid drivel. It wouldn't even matter if he were 100% right because he ever only spouted low-brow shit. The unconscious bit was just a rehash of Schopenhauer and others.
I've certainly read a lot of Schopenhauer and know enough about Freud to realize he isn't worth reading.
The idea of a blind Will as principle of sufficient reason that orders and explains overt mental representations and behaviors is very similar to that of the unconscious.
Schopenhauer literally has a section where he explains Freud’s theory of the unconscious and the ego. He also anticipated Jung’s idea of the collective unconscious.
>His major innovation was emphasizing the role of the subconscious, which is crucial and is the basis of all modern psychology.
The subconscious is actually largely irrelevant in modern psychology, maybe to the detriment of the field but that’s another discussion.
actually Freud was 100% right, maybe 110% right if you can fathom that, and y'all are virtue-signaling homosexuals for denying that he's right and not coming clean about your neuroses.
He was right about the fetishist syndromes he describes.
But for some reason certain anons here feel threatened and start to hallucinate him describing them as being diagnosed with them personally for some reason instead of freud just outlining conditions.
People aknowledging fetishists exist doesn't mean they are calling YOU one.
If Adler had the same influence as Freud, western culture wouldn’t be in the fricking dumpster it is now. Freud’s ideas enabled generations of crybabies.
lol get off IQfy Dad, I already told you you are an butthole and I don't want to hear drom you anymore. Not hearing you think is worth all the inheritance.
Narcissism develops from deep seated self hatred and a feeling of inferiority, its a coping mechanism.
Nothing to do with le infancy libido or whatever
Usually childhood abuse, neglect, bullying or a failure to perform at school or at home.
But it can also be that the parents set high standards for themselves and their children, e.g. a family of academics. If the child/teen realizes they might not live up to the intellectual superiority they were taught their family posesses, they will be desperate to keep the facade alive because otherwise they would shatter and be left with nothing.
Its not about failing to project "primary narcissism", narcissism as a disorder has nothing to do with self confidence or a natural need for approval, to the contrary its a coping mechanism by people who never developed self confidence and never got any approval from people.
So they arent stupid and worth less than others, they are actually genius and everybody else subhuman. They are an superior specimen and deserve to be treated accordingly. But really deep down they feel they are worthless and unworthy to be loved or even be alive.
>Narcissism develops from deep seated self hatred and a feeling of inferiority, its a coping mechanism.
what about the guys who genuinely believe they're the shit?
*freud
Ahem, it's pronounced "Frůœd".
Don't know about that. I dream about pretty Freudian stuff all the time.
dream analysis stuff is really moronic man.
Its because you're not able to do it
subversive israelite
As another anon pointed out, the Oedipus complex does not mean consciously desiring veganal sex with your mother, which is considered supremely taboo in all societies. (Gee, it is almost like nature equipped us with instincts to avoid incestuous reproduction. Who knows? Could be, could be!).
I have no problem at all saying that is repugnant, evil and perverted.
People run away from Freud because they get stuck on this incorrect, literal rendering. Freud expanded the idea of sexuality into non-sexual domains. Freud sees the way you eat and chew as having a relation to the sexual self, for example. He did not REDUCE everything to sexuality, he EXPANDED sexuality into everything. Sex is life and death. It makes sense that it encompasses all of life-- it literally causes life. I sometimes imagine, probably incorrectly, that Sakyamuni Buddha was getting at a similar notion with the twelvefold chain of causation, beginning with desire rather than sex, but it is a cipher-round, it does not matter where you start. "Life is nothing but desires" is simultaneously Buddhist and Freudian in sentiment.
Freud's terms are clunky and neoligstic, they are laden with popular notions of him, and so now they cannot be used by any serious person. Freud, like Marx, Hegel and other big-system thinkers, has the hazard of appearing to explain everything. He doesn't. Nobody does. Humans do not have that power. Those who read Freud and find all the answers are totally lost, unfortunately.
Bro 99% of people here never read Freud. But nice explanation thought.
>which is considered supremely taboo in all societies
False.
>People run away from Freud because they get stuck on this incorrect, literal rendering. Freud expanded the idea of sexuality into non-sexual domains. Freud sees the way you eat and chew as having a relation to the sexual self, for example. He did not REDUCE everything to sexuality, he EXPANDED sexuality into everything.
still moronic
I know this doesn't really concern your post. But, nothing is more moronic than academics popularising the Oedipus complex to mean wanting incest. Have they never read the story? The entire point is Oedipus NOT wanting to frick his mom and kill his own father. It has nothing to do with incest besides it tragic. That entire term needs to be reprogrammed to mean defying fate makes it real or something else to do with the actual story
>greatest Freud of all time
FTFY
Freud was brilliant, but he was also wrong 99% of the time. His major innovation was emphasizing the role of the subconscious, which is crucial and is the basis of all modern psychology. The problem is just that when he drew conclusions about what the tangible consequences of subconscious were, he was literally always wrong, 100% of the time. Which is why serious psychologists acknowledge his historical importance but nobody reads him seriously for any reason other than historical importance. The only people who still dwell on Freud's bullshit conclusions (and Jung's, for that matter) are new age frauds and scam artists. But Freud himself was not a fraud, he was a genius who was just wrong pretty much all the time, probably because he was egotistical and got carried away after coming up with his one critical insight, the subconscious.
To co-opt a quote I've seen applied to a different work in an entirely distinct field, "he was wrong but an in interesting way.'
Freud is not relevant for psychologists because Freud himself was not a psychologist and didn't write anything about psychology. Every psychoanalyst reads him though.
>Freud was brilliant
nah.
What he wrote was just squalid drivel. It wouldn't even matter if he were 100% right because he ever only spouted low-brow shit. The unconscious bit was just a rehash of Schopenhauer and others.
And there's the guru con-artist aspect to him.
Complete scum.
>just a rehash of Schopenhauer
(You) have read neither.
I've certainly read a lot of Schopenhauer and know enough about Freud to realize he isn't worth reading.
The idea of a blind Will as principle of sufficient reason that orders and explains overt mental representations and behaviors is very similar to that of the unconscious.
Schopenhauer literally has a section where he explains Freud’s theory of the unconscious and the ego. He also anticipated Jung’s idea of the collective unconscious.
>His major innovation was emphasizing the role of the subconscious, which is crucial and is the basis of all modern psychology.
The subconscious is actually largely irrelevant in modern psychology, maybe to the detriment of the field but that’s another discussion.
>the role of the subconscious, which is crucial and is the basis of all modern psychology
No
he probably indirectly caused ww2
thanks freud.
actually Freud was 100% right, maybe 110% right if you can fathom that, and y'all are virtue-signaling homosexuals for denying that he's right and not coming clean about your neuroses.
>t. has a very fricked up relationship with his mother
stfu you lying Black folk. you aren't better than me. you're probably stuck in the anal phase.
Not everyone is as degenerate as you, anon.
poor fella had an incest fetish
He was right about the fetishist syndromes he describes.
But for some reason certain anons here feel threatened and start to hallucinate him describing them as being diagnosed with them personally for some reason instead of freud just outlining conditions.
People aknowledging fetishists exist doesn't mean they are calling YOU one.
His ideas on religious foundationalism and the death drive were at least influential to my writings
If Adler had the same influence as Freud, western culture wouldn’t be in the fricking dumpster it is now. Freud’s ideas enabled generations of crybabies.
lol get off IQfy Dad, I already told you you are an butthole and I don't want to hear drom you anymore. Not hearing you think is worth all the inheritance.
>dude just be a normalgay
All three of them were hacks
Yes. I guarantee being a normalgay is better for yourself and society than whatever the frick you’re doing now.
shut up, gay
Freud was a legend who had more salient ideas in an afternoon than you will have in your entire lifetime
His essay on narcissism is actually accurate THOUGH
Narcissism develops from deep seated self hatred and a feeling of inferiority, its a coping mechanism.
Nothing to do with le infancy libido or whatever
Where do the deep seated self hatred and feeling of inferiority come from?
Usually childhood abuse, neglect, bullying or a failure to perform at school or at home.
But it can also be that the parents set high standards for themselves and their children, e.g. a family of academics. If the child/teen realizes they might not live up to the intellectual superiority they were taught their family posesses, they will be desperate to keep the facade alive because otherwise they would shatter and be left with nothing.
Its not about failing to project "primary narcissism", narcissism as a disorder has nothing to do with self confidence or a natural need for approval, to the contrary its a coping mechanism by people who never developed self confidence and never got any approval from people.
So they arent stupid and worth less than others, they are actually genius and everybody else subhuman. They are an superior specimen and deserve to be treated accordingly. But really deep down they feel they are worthless and unworthy to be loved or even be alive.
>Narcissism develops from deep seated self hatred and a feeling of inferiority, its a coping mechanism.
what about the guys who genuinely believe they're the shit?
Thats just arrogance, not a disorder.