>not everyone views Attila as a monster
>some view him as a nation builder
>take for example Hungary and Turkey
Is this dude for real? This Attila wuz a good guy episode is really scraping the bottom of the barrel
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The Huns didn’t build either of those states. Attila’s realm fell apart after his death and several other peoples filled the void in the Pannonian Basin.
>th-they just vanished into thin air
Hungarians are finish tribal diaspora
Turks were probable those steppeBlack folk that didn't join atilla's great ape out and stayed in the eurasian planes
magyars and turks are just larping at this point
By that logic almost everyone in Europe wuz Attila and shiet.
The Huns are responsible for the creation of post-Roman Europe.
Germanic peoples borrowed the concept of a dynastic monarchy from Asia.
>Germanic peoples borrowed the concept of a dynastic monarchy from Asia
Or you know, their own customs, or maybe closer ones. Even the Macedonian and Thracian Kingdoms were both mainly from a single dynasty and they shared only a tangably similar culture. Even the Roman Kingdom despire being legendary includes a single main dynasty. Political dynasties of father to son had become increasingly common and accepted in Roman politics by the reign of Constantius II
No. Germanic tribes during the times of the Cimbri War did not change much for centuries and well into the Late Empire they still organized themselves around confederations of petty reguli which had no real authority or ways to cement their reign.
The beginning of Germanic state organization, among other things such as falconry and shock cavalry, is strictly tied to gradual Asian migration into Europe. It can be observed by the differences between Eastern Germanic tribes such as the Ostrogoths and Vandals, which became dynastic monarchies early, and Western Germanic tribes, which remained backward until the Asian nomads finally entrenched their positions as the hegemons of non-Roman Europe.
How about you provide some actual arguments as to why it's wrong? If you hate Attila, then you might as well despise Alexander or Caesar.
The Huns are arguably the progenitors of Turkic peoples. They also single-handedly ensured the extinction of Indo-European nomads and domination of the steppe by the Turkic tribes for the centuries to come.
Neither Hungary nor Turkey has jack shit to do with Atillia. It's literally lapring.
>The Huns are arguably the progenitors of Turkic peoples
Oh it's a moronic roach nevermind
You should be grateful for my attempts at enlightening you, intellectual midget. Attila and most of the Huns that arrived in Europe were undeniably Turkic.
Also Turkish identity is centered around being Turkic. Even if modern Turks are a mixed breed (much like everyone), there's still continuity between them and the Oghuz Turks that subjugated Anatolia. If they're larping, so are other Europeans when their claim people who lived centuries ago.
>were undeniably Turkic.
prove hunnic was a form of turkic and I'll agree but you can't because you're just a pathetic larper
Why so angry Radu? You gyppos have a little Turk in you. It’s nothing to be ashamed of.
Attila = Atil = 'great river', or 'universal/oceanic ruler'
Bleda, Attila's brother = Bildä/Blidä = 'wise ruler'
Mundzuk, Attila's father = Munčuq = ‘pearl/jewel’
Oktar/Uptar, Attila’s uncle = Öktär = ‘brave/powerful’
Oebarsius, another of Attila’s paternal uncles = Aïbârs = ‘leopard of the moon’
Karaton, Hunnic supreme king before Ruga = Qarâton = ‘blackcloak’
Basik, Hunnic noble of royal blood, early fifth century = Bârsiğ = ‘governor’
Kursik, Hunnic noble of royal blood, from either Kürsiğ = ‘brave/noble’, or Quršiq = ‘belt-bearer’.
Ellac, Attila's son = Älik = 'ruler'
Dengizich, Attila's son = Däŋiziq = , or deŋičig = ocean-like
Hernak = Ernak = 'hero'
Herekan, Attila's principal wife = Krékän = 'wife'
Eskam, Attila's another wife = Ešqam = ‘companion of the shaman’
>posting outdated linguistics
Do Turks really?
I accept your concession.
check out recent hun dna tests they come from eurasia steppes
>and Western Germanic tribes, which remained backward until the Asian nomads finally entrenched their positions as the hegemons of non-Roman Europe.
The Frankish Kingdom was known to be hereditary before setteling in Roman territory and they had next to no interaction with the Huns, only really interacting with them for a grand total of like 5 years. Neither does your argument make sense for the majority of Germanic people, it was only those who settled in Roman territory that continued with a new social structure and monarchy. The Saxons sure as hell didn't change from confederations to concrete kingdoms.
Then you have the question of the Anglo Saxons, the Welsh and Picts. None of those groups had any interaction with the Huns at all and they already developed hereditary Kingship. It seems more likely that the hereditary Kingship developed out of the decay of tribal ties and identites within Roman territory and the adoption of Roman norms when it came to state organisation. Not an unprovable invisible hand which makes no sense to begin with.
nordcuck cope
I'd tell you to KNEEL before your civilized masters, but your countries have already been doing so for the last 80 years
If western Germanic tribes had no hierarchical organization beyond petty kingdoms then how dod the Allemanii form? Alleman literally translates into All Men and was a confederation of western Germanic petty kingdoms into a larger group. It would have been the only way to field enough manpower to have a large army. Arminius had to try and keep together an alliance of half a dozen bickering tribes and failed in the first century.
Yes hereditary monarchies weren’t present but that was also the case in east germanic tribes as well. Ostrogothic succession didn’t fully switch to primogeniture until Theoderic and even there it didnt last, as the goths elected different kings during the gothic war that werent tied to the bloodline of the Amals
>Germanic peoples borrowed the concept of a dynastic monarchy from Asia.
Yeah, I bet they stole the technology of breathing air from Asians too...
/sarcasm.
Wasn't there a time when Hungary did think they might have been descended from the Huns though? I once heard they only found out about Magyars later, since records of the settling period weren't that great.
Thats bullshit. They always called themselves Magyars
They knew they were Magyars but added Huns as plausible deniability case because guess what, you can't tell. Archaeology of the Huns revolves around finding deformed skulls and a particular type of cauldron that happens to show up around the time they show up in the Roman writings and disappears as the huns disperse
No idea what podcast you're talking about, but it is true that Hungarians are mostly deeply insecure we-wuzzers who like to claim Atilla as some sort of founding father.
our fake history
Everybody in that corner of Europe is a turbolarper.
t. 100% DACO-ROMAN BVLL
>Attila the Hun has been saddled with a truly terrible historical reputation. In many parts of the world his name is synonymous with barbarism. But, despite the fact that Attila the Hun has excellent name recognition for an ancient historical figure, the details of his life remain obscure to most. Like most conquerors, opinions on Attila swing widely depending on which side of those conquests your ancestors happened to be on. Was Attila a bloodthirsty sadist or a noble nation builder? Can you be both? Tune-in and find out how German dragon slayers, an ancient refugee crisis, and meat warmed between a man’s thighs all play a role in the story.
the exact quote
>Competing vision of Attila the Hun out there
>One person's bloodthirsty tyrant is another's noble nation builder
>In the modern nation of Hungary there have been times where Atilla has been celebrated as a national hero
>In fact the name Atilla is somewhat common among Hungarians
>Similarly, Atilla is fondly remembered in Turkey where the Turkish variation of the name Atilla remains a reasonably popular name for boys
>So why the massively different understandings of this figure
I actually like this podcast but this episode just sucks. Just kinda disappointed
Are you Romanian?
Who hurt you lol?
taking some larping as evidence to rehabilitate Atilla is the most moronic thing I've ever come across
Atilla the homo
Why do people portray these dumbass nomads with no writings as victims? Its so fricking cringe. It amounts to they werent that bad the sedentary folk just wrote mean things about them. Which is the stupidest stance historians. I mean sure there's bias on the side of the people writing but thats just because theyre angry about the frickers raiding them all the time
Hungarians have nothing to do with the Huns, it's pure larp
https://dailynewshungary.com/genetic-study-proves-hungarians-descendants-huns/
It's actually true for Hungary, it has been a thing since the 13th century, there was this Árpád-dynasty king IIRC who once threatened the pope by telling him he will sack Rome like "his ancestor Attila" did.
A book released last year speculates that this Attila might have been a different Attila from the king of the huns, but with time got absorbed into the figure of the more famous Attila, therefore creating the so-called "Hun legend".
I will never forgive the Huns for having started two world wars and gassed 6 millions israelites
Magyars had the exact same shared kingship, employed the exact same military tactics, were exactly as illiterate as the Huns. Which checkboxes do Magyars actually miss for being descended from the Huns?
>Is this dude for real?
Medieval and early modern Hungarian historians tried to tie themselves to the Huns kind of to increase prestige of their nation. You can see it with Swedes(who extremely over-interpreted Jordanes, to put it mildly), Spaniards(same as Swedes), Poles(who had not one, not two, but three different LARP histories*), all the different "we wuz true ancient Israelites/lost tribe" types and so on and so on.
*1. Poles are actually Vandals, 2. Poles are actually Sarmatians, 3. Poles are descendants of ancient Lechitic Empire that ruled all non-Roman Europe
Who started this trend of effeminate men idolizing raping and pillaging steppe barbarians? John Green? As if Genghis Khan wouldn’t add his head to the pyramid of skulls.
It is much better to worship steppe barbarians than bbcs, Cletus. Those steppe barbarians built impressive empires and expanded at the speed of light for their eras.
>Turkey
"We are reaching levels of "We Wuz" that shouldn't even be possible"
Do morons actually watch “history” videos/podcasts?
were blacks called Black folk during the early 1700s? or what were the terms used for them during piracy
Both Magyars and Turks were a part of the Hunnic confederacy and maybe it’s most important constituents. That’s what I believe. Magyar has a rather large number of words with shared origin as the Turks and I do not believe they all come from after Mohacs.
The original honfoglalás conquering Magyars had the exact same shared power structure. Árpád’s ascent was remarkably similar to Attila’s. Árpád’s brother Kurszan was devastatingly effective against the Germans and was only killed by German treachery.