How could 40 days of rain cover every mountain on earth?!?!
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How could 40 days of rain cover every mountain on earth?!?!
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Local flood
this. the flooding was local to Earth. Mountains on Mars were not covered, dummy OP.
OP did say "on earth" though
It wasn't global
>the word of God is a lie
Good job figuring it out, tripfren
Who are you quoting?
Why did Noah bring a couple of every animals in the Ark then? If it's a local flood they'd just repopulate from the surrounding areas far faster anyway.
And how the frick does this sound like a local flood to you, it's pretty self explanatory:
Genesis 6:7 Then the Lord said, “I will wipe out mankind whom I have created from the face of the land; mankind, and animals as well, and crawling things, and the birds of the sky. For I am sorry that I have made them.”
13 Then God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.
17 Now behold, I Myself am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which there is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.
Indeed, if it was just a local flood, God would be breaking his own Covenant:
Genesis 9:11 I establish My covenant with you; and all flesh shall never again be eliminated by the waters of a flood, nor shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth.”
15 and I will remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and never again shall the water become a flood to destroy all flesh.
This only makes sense in the context of a uniquely destructive flood that would have destroyed every living thing were it not for Noah, because there have been plenty of catastrophic lesser floods since then
It sounds like a great flood
You're supposing "whole earth" means globe when it objectively does not necessarily. Just read the story in it's literary context.
He brought animals to repopulate the land just like it says. How did Noah get two of every species on a boat of the specifications described given the speciation we observe now, some millennia later? If it were a global flood there wouldn't be enough room.
Of course scientific and practical arguments are just secondary to biblical interpretation, and in our reading of the Bible we see hyperbole, metaphor and generalization all over. Including in the flood account regarding passages we agree on.
Non sequitur
It makes sense given the scale of the non global flood
>You're supposing "whole earth" means globe when it objectively does not necessarily.
Let's shift the question then: did the flood affect any part of Earth in which there were no humans?
>He brought animals to repopulate the land just like it says.
Again, with a local flood the animals could have just repopulated from the surrounding areas so fast it'd make Noah's efforts insignificant, which is what happens after catastrophes on anything but isolated ocean islands.
That reminds me, how would a non-global flood even kill all the birds of the land? They would just fly to dry land and then come back later. They're among the first creatures to colonize/repopulate those islands after a volcanic eruption or tsunami devastates them. The entire point of Noah's dove or whatever is that even a bird couldn't find any dry land anywhere until the waters receded.
Also if your flood is wide enough (say, covering the whole of India for example) you'd run into an even worse problem than the global flood, how do you cover an area of that size without just flooding the entire earth? invisible walls?
>did the flood affect any part of Earth in which there were no humans?
Or rather, was any part of Earth in which humans lived that was spared by the Flood?
the caucus mountains
>caucus mountains
read a book. any book. 'see spot run' would do.
I'm undecided. Either all mankind was in the area of the regional flood or man existed outside of the regional flood zone. I lean towards the second and the text allows it.
Your objection about the animals just doesn't follow. It was a great flood. They would have perished from the region, if regional.
The genre allows the possibility of reading it as local
I do assume the historicity of the flood as described because that's the intent of the text and I presuppose the inspiration of scripture
Does placing branches with the bark peeled off in front of sheep while they drink from a stream change the color of their wool?
It did in one case supernaturally
If God told me to click my heels together and I'd find $1mil in my savings account I would do it, and I wouldn't conclude it's possible the former naturally causes the latter
At that point, we might as well say God used his powers to cover the entire earth with water, allowed for all species to be fit on Noah's ark despite the size and logistics (it's certainly not unknown for miracles to stretch out resources beyond what is physically possible, see Elijah and the Tyrian woman, Jesus and the loaves/fishes, etc).
Jacob did not pray or asks for God to change the color of the sheep, he used a folk remedy he thought would change the sheep's color. Who's to say God didn't intervene with the Ark to cover the logistics of the whole deal which was physically impossible without his help?
>man existed outside of the regional flood zone.
>the text allows it.
How? Not only is that passage pretty clear (God wants to wipe out mankind, indeed "all flesh", regretting having made them) but a chapter or so later we're told all mankind directly descended from Noah after the Flood.
Accordingly, here's Calvin's musings:
>And the flood was forty days , etc. Moses copiously insists upon this fact, in order to show that the whole world was immersed in the waters. Moreover, it is to be regarded as the special design of this narrations that we should not ascribe to fortune, the flood by which the world perished; how ever customary it may be for men to cast some veil over the works of God, which may obscure either his goodness or his judgments manifested in them. But seeing it is plainly declared, that whatever was flourishing on the earth was destroyed, we hence infer, that it was an indisputable and signal judgment of God; especially since Noah alone remained secure, because he had embraced, by faith, the word in which salvation was contained. He then recalls to memory what we before have said; namely how desperate had been the impiety, and how enormous the crimes of men, by which God was induced to destroy the whole world; whereas, on account of his great clemency, he would have spared his own workmanship, had he seen that any milder remedy could have been effectually applied. These two things, directly opposed to each other, he connects together; that the whole human race was destroyed, but that Noah and his family safely escaped.
Nowhere does he bother to consider the possibility that the flood was less than global.
Indeed, he draws a connection to God holding back the waters earlier in Genesis to allow for some land that people may live on, and the flood being just him allowing those waters to swallow the land again.
Because "all flesh" is hyperbolic given that Noah and his family did not drown
destroying "all flesh" but leaving a single family is exaggerating
destroying "all flesh" but only destroying a select few neolithic villages is just changing the meaning of words entirely.
How so
If I play chess at my house and say "I beat everyone. Nobody can best me". Am I saying I played against every living human and won every game?
Context matters. Now if this was just a localized flood, what exactly is God promising when he says this afterwards:
21 The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though[a] every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.
22 “As long as the earth endures,
seedtime and harvest,
cold and heat,
summer and winter,
day and night
will never cease.”
If it was just a localized flood like you say, and he promised never to do that again, he's apparently gone back on his word many times.
Bugger off, Dirk!
Not if he said, from the start, that he'll destroy all flesh except for Noah's family and the animals in the Ark.
>Of course scientific and practical arguments are just secondary to biblical interpretation
What made you believe the flood talked about in the Bible was anything but global? There's absolutely no indication of it, nothing that would allow you to interpret it as local. Indeed, I don't think anyone bothered to interpret it as a local flood until the past few centuries.
>He brought animals to repopulate the land just like it says. How did Noah get two of every species on a boat of the specifications described given the speciation we observe now, some millennia later? If it were a global flood there wouldn't be enough room.
The physical impossibility of it doesn't matter in regards to how you read the story unless you assume from the start that it had to have literally happened. The flood is a folktale that predates Genesis. Genesis contains other folktales that have impossible elements (talking snake in the garden, Jacob changing the color of his sheep by placing peeled branches in front of them while they drank).
There's no reason to explain away these stories by trying to create a version that could possibly have literally happened. Doing so actually twists the stories themselves into knots until they're incomprehensible.
noah is a botched local version talking about preserving livestock and morals, mixed with the story of the actual flood 12kya.
enoch was 365 years old before noahs flood, signifying that enoch was alive during the 365 day year, as opposed to the 360 day holy year from before the actual flood world altering flood. before the actual flood, the earth was colder and more compact, meaning it hadn't slowed its rotation by 1.4% yet.
the tale of noah is just a morality story for the illiterate, while the numbers are guides for those who actually study the lore. sometimes the topics of factual world ending destruction becomes a dangerous talking point when interacting with religious fanatics and low iq morons, which is why mathematics and calendars are neatly hidden away in the ages of legendary men, anniversaries, and "lucky/bad" numbers.
40 is a "long count" for the same reason that 20 and 40 is a constant in mayan calendars. They are the same observable astronomical counts, regardless of where on the planet you are.
Astrology = noah moronic history
Astronomy = enoch factual history
Dirk poster revealed to be lacking in faith and making compromises to Noah’s Ark story.
It did.
You just believe it, and you don’t make excuses. God said it did. The fountains of the earth were poured out for the task to be done.
I had a dream tonight that we were all loading up in our cars including with animals somehow, don’t even remember what we were driving, including with my grandma and my parents and my dad was driving. And we were headed to Heaven, a city upon a mountaintop, up this big wide concrete cement brand new paved street that goes up to it on a giant ramp with big wide streets going up and down it. It was changing air pressure dramatically to go up it and we had to make sure a cow was doing ok before we climbed up the rest of the way and find a different cow if it wasn’t gonna make it. We were all very relaxed and just thinking about ordinary things like there was some kind of a fog that brewed in of dirt on the way up and you could see skyscrapers of the city way at the top and they were clear on a backdrop of a clear blue sky.
There was no traffic. Very strange that it was just us going up there together. The mountain looked like it had been miraculously raised to be up there. It was completely perfect in that it was perfectly straight and flat, hardened, and razor sharp edges except for the ramp which had bar ditches with natural grasses growing on it on the sides, as if everything was raised from its natural wilderness state to be up here. The skyscrapers kinda reminded me my own city a little but when I looked to see if it actually was, they were different.
Like a shining city upon the hill. It was free from all of earth’s problems and it was like most people didn’t see what was special about it for some reason.
"Forty days" is just an expression frequently used to refer to a long time in the Bible.
It was magic YHWH rain.
this
they were extra big holy raindrops
You’re about 30 seconds from discovering that the whole thing is bullshit.
nope, OP knows it's bullshit. is this some sort of coping from christards' part to overtake from the right? "nah, we know it's not literally true, and you will discover it only AFTER us"?
How a materialistic explanation can quench your thirst for God’s glory?
You’re asking these questions because you want to believe but you’re too distracted by rationalistic puzzles to see the wisdom behind the story
>wisdom behind the story
What wisdom? Noah's story doesn't have any underlying virtue. It's just god was mad and reset the world.
>What wisdom?
probably "be afraid. be very afraid".
>"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Flood was caused by the geysers as well as the rains, which isn't that far from truth, we know for a fact that massive volcanic eruptions and cosmic catastrophies were major factors in mass extinction events.
ONLY good post in this thread.
>anon tries to point out how the Bible is wrong
>anon gets a scientifically accurate answer of what the story means
>anon prefers to argue with wrong answers and strawmen in his head instead of a correct one
How am I supposed to treat Internet atheists seriously?
the bible says the fountains of the deep broke open
it wasn't just rain
The fossil record is a flood.
Naturalism is a flood.
The taxonomy of animals is a flood.
The forty day period happens out of compassion, so that the old way of living will be forgotten.
Big rain big water yeah
*sip*
Pic unrelated, but anyone seen the new car headlights lately? Might want to take a look when driving at evening. The new ones are all the cold blue lights, while the old ones are all still the hot red ones.
>Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Only faith the hot red lights. It impossible to please God without it.
skill issue