Remember when NYT ran a clearly fake article back in 2013 where the test driver was literally circling around the parking block for a long time just so he could get a shot of Tesla battery running out and "stranding" him? Musk's cars have GPS logger installed for the very purpose of disproving the journos fake reviews. The same thing with Top Gear who had created a script in advance of "reviewing" the Tesla car running out of "charge" which they passed off as "entertainment" to save themselves.
NYT still hasn't recanted and still hasn't apologized. This was the turning point when journos started attacking Tesla full time. The network of journos do not like being called out as liars.They're all liars. Driven by pay2play narrative which Tesla does not pay for.
Humans don't work in all circumstances.
IDK with this attitude that humans are allowed to mame thousands in accidents but an AI isn't allowed one mistake.
Considering the DOT deliberately made trucking more dangerous by enforcing maximum 14 hour days that encourage drivers to speed and break traffic laws to not be stuck in a dangerous area so they can go off duty and have refused to budge on this policy so much so that they doubled down on it by outlawing paper logbooks and forced trucks to retrofit electronic logbook nannies that call the cops if you move the truck after 14 hours, they will absolutely never allow the trucks to drive themselves.
the nanny systems doesnt even give you leeway to drive to a truckstop? what happens if you're stuck in traffic due to a bad accident? that's really fricking gay. did the truck accident rate even go down due to this idiotic policy? i normally dont side with lolberts, but government is terrible.
It only counts when the truck is actually moving. Sitting in traffic isn't counted after I want to say 5-8 mins stationary.
And the electronic log book system isn't THAT strict. It doesn't call the cops if you move the truck. What it DOES do is tell your employer at the end of your haul how many times you went over, and your employer does have to furnish the DOT with unaltered copies, so if you're on the road and not paired with someone and find yourself in a really dangerous area at the end of your 14, because you didn't plan your route properly, then you CAN drive somewhere safe. You just have to enter a reason code into the digital log book so at the end of your haul your employer knows why. If you do it too many times, you will get fired because each time the DOT will fine your employer once they deem it excessive (once or twice here and there is fine, but if you're constantly going over then you're fricked)
I hate to be that guy, but sleep deprivation has been studied in great depths, the effects are measurable and real. “Muh suicidal feels” is not really a great counterpoint
They did that because truckers were driving on shit loads of meth and not sleeping so the DOT had to come up with a way to MAKE them take a break. The only truckers that don't plan their route properly so they're somewhere safe on their breaks (you can't drive that 14 straight through) are total newbies. And plenty of companies circumvent the 14 hour days by sending pairs of truckers. One is driving while the other is sleeping. Basically one drives 8 hours, takes a break for 8 hours, then the first trucker drives 4 more, takes an 8 hour break while the second trucker drives 8, then their 14 resets as soon as they hit the 25th hour (half way through the second driver's second 8). They alternate each day as to who is driving the last 8 but essentially they both drive 12 hours out of every 24, and sleep, eat, play vidya, etc on their 12 hours of free time.
I dunno if you've actually SEEN the insane cabins in those rigs, but it's basically like having a roommate in a small apartment, except you both work from home and your home is on wheels. I know a bunch of paired truckers and they love their job.
I know you have a rosy view of the trucking industry, but most drivers do not have setups this nice unless they own their rig outright.
It only counts when the truck is actually moving. Sitting in traffic isn't counted after I want to say 5-8 mins stationary.
And the electronic log book system isn't THAT strict. It doesn't call the cops if you move the truck. What it DOES do is tell your employer at the end of your haul how many times you went over, and your employer does have to furnish the DOT with unaltered copies, so if you're on the road and not paired with someone and find yourself in a really dangerous area at the end of your 14, because you didn't plan your route properly, then you CAN drive somewhere safe. You just have to enter a reason code into the digital log book so at the end of your haul your employer knows why. If you do it too many times, you will get fired because each time the DOT will fine your employer once they deem it excessive (once or twice here and there is fine, but if you're constantly going over then you're fricked)
DOT hours are ticking even if you're stuck in traffic, if you're behind the wheel driving, it counts.
Though what I understand is that they recently clarified what "personal conveyance" means so you can move the truck to make it to a truck stop or someplace safe without breaking the law, you just can't deliberately "advance the load" while off duty and skip suitable places to sleep, it also allows you to drive the truck into town to go get food even with the trailer attached while still being off duty.
I think truckers will stay but demand for them will drop after they become last mile truckers.
Meaning trucks will drive themselves 95% of the routes through bumfrick no where and truckers will be waiting for their truck at stop near the city limits to complete the route through traffic.
Not going to happen.
It would be unironically cheaper to cut all self driving AI funding, and use unskilled labor to build more freight lines instead.
It would yield the same outcome you're suggesting, but at a cheaper cost and more feasible.
I think truckers will stay but demand for them will drop after they become last mile truckers.
Meaning trucks will drive themselves 95% of the routes through bumfrick no where and truckers will be waiting for their truck at stop near the city limits to complete the route through traffic.
For clarity: Freight lines as in freight rail (trains)
If those lines can add capacity for public transportation would prefer that honestly along with the removal of almost all personal cars too over self driving shits filling up streets.
That is also not going to happen.
Rail is best for long haul routes (same as autonomous vehicles)
Those routes are much slower than air, and they are not commuter routes.
Most US cities are designed around cars and the only solution is really to build new cities that don't support the car lobby.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cars and trucks are based, rail is a lot of maintenance really but if Amtrak could get on board then that'd be based.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>rail is a lot of maintenance
So are roads etc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Rail is best for long haul routes (same as autonomous vehicles)
So long as everything you want goes from one rail yard to another. That's the power of the truck. You can put a half load into a truck from your place in the middle of nowhere then drive it that day 1/4 of the way across the continent. Businesses that need bulk amounts are near rail or ports. Everyone else can run with trucks.
The network average speed of rail cars is about 5mph from loading to delivery.
Once trucks are running without drivers they can make trip from CA to NY in about 40 hours, less if we raise the speed limits and let auto truck draft at 100mph in convoys.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Or just dig tunnels under the cities. There is a solution for existing cities, you know
2 years ago
Anonymous
Even with a subway system, if businesses are too spread out it doesn't exactly make the city "walkable"
Nor does it save time really
And its super fricking expensive
Don't get me wrong, I like rail more than busses, but busses are simply more economical in most urban sprawl
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not saying rail. More like loops for cars on autopilot. Rail is not good due to the price and centralization (few stations) it introduces. Pretty sure this is a complimentary thing to the tesla autopilot strategy
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tunnels for cars is stupid.
Thunderf00t BTFO Elon on this one t.b.h.
I think a while. At the low end I think local drivers to act like harbor pilots will connect the last mile. Long haul offers a lot of potential to avoid driving limits and the roads are when not under weather easy enough to drive.
Even if self-driving vehicles were real (which it isn't at least not outside of limited ranges where all environmental variables can be known or controlled), truckers would still be needed for the foreseeable future. The road-based shipping infrastructure is designed for human-based ad hoc point-to-point contact and a lot of complicated manual management is needed for establishing those contacts. Amazon might (again, if self-driving trucks were real) be able to automate shipping from one fulfillment center to another, but it would be outside of the possibilities of most logistics operations.
>No One Knows
Cut the FUD, yes they do know. >number of miles Teslas drive with autopilot on (surely the ~~*telemetry*~~ data they collect includes this) >number of accidents reported when autopilot is on >get a calculator and divide those numbers
Tesla only provides their most-sophisticated tier of autopilot (which itself is absolutely NOT fully autonomous) to users with spotless traffic metrics and pull it from them if even the slightest deviation occurs and so the only people using it are Tesla fanboys who pay out the ass for a feature that they have to meticulously micromanage in order to make sure it isn't taken away. The result is people who pay even more attention to the road and are even more stressful driving.
It doesn't take a lot of mental gymnastics to state well-documented facts. The only thing I stated that was opinion was that the system would result in stressfully attentive driving, but that's a pretty reasonable assumption based on basic understanding of human motivation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Almost the entirety of your previous post was damn opinion
I'm sure you have an absolute rock solid source that only vapid fanboys use autopilot
2 years ago
Anonymous
Only vapid fanboys use autopilot because only vapid fanboys own Teslas. QED
But you can't even get what I said correct, so I know what category of person I'm talking to.
You want some opinion? Here's one: continue consuming blindly because that's the only value you have the mental capacity to add to the economy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Only vapid fanboys use autopilot because only vapid fanboys own Teslas.
There is many people who hate musk/Tesla but still own them out if principle of having an electric vehicle.
For the longest time the only BEVs was a fricking leaf which was fitted like an econobox and not everyone wanted it. >But you can't even get what I said correct
Tesla only provides their most-sophisticated tier of autopilot (which itself is absolutely NOT fully autonomous) to users with spotless traffic metrics and pull it from them if even the slightest deviation occurs and so the only people using it are Tesla fanboys who pay out the ass for a feature that they have to meticulously micromanage in order to make sure it isn't taken away. The result is people who pay even more attention to the road and are even more stressful driving.
>so the only people using it are Tesla fanboys
Almost the entirety of your previous post was damn opinion
I'm sure you have an absolute rock solid source that only vapid fanboys use autopilot
>only vapid fanboys use autopilot
Sounds pretty similar to me
I just added vapid as that's the only reason to out up with a high stress feature is to say you have it.
Spew all you want but the fact remains that a lot of collective hours of autopilot operation have been recorded and they can analyze how often it made mistakes, how often the operator had to grab back control, etc.
>4chin told me I would be replaced by robots >4chin told me I would be paid less >end up being paid more and now have less work to babysit a machine that fricks up an infinite number of times if a piece of dust falls on its robussy
Ugghh it's really sad that Tesla started having all these issues as soon as Elon Musk interfered with that israeli subversion platform. I was really thinking of buying one too, but I'm just going to wait for the Ford F-150 Lightning
Their whole meta is take an existing industry, keep on as few people as possible, have no physical presence or customer support so nobody can direct complaints or fines to you, employ people as 1099 workers through the app so they can stiff them too, and then take 80% cuts of all income in industries where the usual brokerage cut is something like 10-30%.
The problem isn't just the technology, it's also the hurdles of legalization and public perception, doubly so for truckers since they operate under stricter laws than your average driver. It doesn't matter if your self-driving car is 100x safer compared to humans and can operate in the same conditions if most people think differently.
Meaningless data. Everyone's reporting are company's curated self reports. Meanwhile Tesla's are in the hands of actual customers. Not just handful, but 100K+
1 truck carries like 1-2 cargo containers. you just need to figure out how to lift the same amount with a some flying drone. all flying things carry transponders so making ai fly a drone is easy. airships can apparently carry 1000 tons or thereabouts, that's about a 100 containers.
Truckers will always have a job even if by remote chance driving becomes automated.
Because someone has to be liable for an accident and it won’t be neither the property owners nor the autonomous driving system manufacturers
I'm indirectly involved in autonomous truck development @ amazon.
We have the trucks. I've seen them with my own eyes a couple of times. Those are developed and good to go on a public road. Those trucks are fully tested and 100% mobile right away.
The problem is - we can't get an approval from any government to let us get them on the road. They are saying that they will loose a big chunk of supporters (voters) because the trucker job will simply be annihilated.
>I hate truck drivers
most drivers do, truck drivers are barely sentient and are often incredibly sleep deprived and aggressive. replacing them with bots would improve highway safety immensely
On road testing has already started for a bus route where 90% of the driving is on motorways, and it's likely that autonomous HGVs will be tested on our roads by the end of the year
they don't have self flying planes or self piloting cargo ships that follow the same predictable path over and over and deal with way less traffic variables than road vehicles. We dont have AI trains for fricks sake. It's a giant meme that won't be out for another 10 years if ever and even longer for industry adoption.
>wanting all the nice cushy jobs to be automated leaving nothing but low paying construction jobs for people
wow thanks tech bros! really saving the planet there.
ah yes, another desperate Tesla hitpiece by the failing (and Sad!) New York Times
how much do they pay you though
Remember when NYT ran a clearly fake article back in 2013 where the test driver was literally circling around the parking block for a long time just so he could get a shot of Tesla battery running out and "stranding" him? Musk's cars have GPS logger installed for the very purpose of disproving the journos fake reviews. The same thing with Top Gear who had created a script in advance of "reviewing" the Tesla car running out of "charge" which they passed off as "entertainment" to save themselves.
NYT still hasn't recanted and still hasn't apologized. This was the turning point when journos started attacking Tesla full time. The network of journos do not like being called out as liars.They're all liars. Driven by pay2play narrative which Tesla does not pay for.
Top Gear is not a car review show.
>Top Gear
who?
Not anytime soon, AI is shit and doesn't work in all circumstances. It will always be semi-supervised
hopefully soon
>It will always be semi-supervised
that could be done through the internet.
Humans don't work in all circumstances.
IDK with this attitude that humans are allowed to mame thousands in accidents but an AI isn't allowed one mistake.
It's not one mistake, it's more like "now that it's raining I don't know what a road is anymore".
Considering the DOT deliberately made trucking more dangerous by enforcing maximum 14 hour days that encourage drivers to speed and break traffic laws to not be stuck in a dangerous area so they can go off duty and have refused to budge on this policy so much so that they doubled down on it by outlawing paper logbooks and forced trucks to retrofit electronic logbook nannies that call the cops if you move the truck after 14 hours, they will absolutely never allow the trucks to drive themselves.
the nanny systems doesnt even give you leeway to drive to a truckstop? what happens if you're stuck in traffic due to a bad accident? that's really fricking gay. did the truck accident rate even go down due to this idiotic policy? i normally dont side with lolberts, but government is terrible.
It only counts when the truck is actually moving. Sitting in traffic isn't counted after I want to say 5-8 mins stationary.
And the electronic log book system isn't THAT strict. It doesn't call the cops if you move the truck. What it DOES do is tell your employer at the end of your haul how many times you went over, and your employer does have to furnish the DOT with unaltered copies, so if you're on the road and not paired with someone and find yourself in a really dangerous area at the end of your 14, because you didn't plan your route properly, then you CAN drive somewhere safe. You just have to enter a reason code into the digital log book so at the end of your haul your employer knows why. If you do it too many times, you will get fired because each time the DOT will fine your employer once they deem it excessive (once or twice here and there is fine, but if you're constantly going over then you're fricked)
>enforcing maximum 14 hour days that encourage drivers to speed and break traffic laws
Sleep-deprived driving is an order of magnitude more dangerous.
I'd argue 14 hour maximums make drivers suicidal and this makes them more of a danger on the road.
I hate to be that guy, but sleep deprivation has been studied in great depths, the effects are measurable and real. “Muh suicidal feels” is not really a great counterpoint
Not for a very long time.
They did that because truckers were driving on shit loads of meth and not sleeping so the DOT had to come up with a way to MAKE them take a break. The only truckers that don't plan their route properly so they're somewhere safe on their breaks (you can't drive that 14 straight through) are total newbies. And plenty of companies circumvent the 14 hour days by sending pairs of truckers. One is driving while the other is sleeping. Basically one drives 8 hours, takes a break for 8 hours, then the first trucker drives 4 more, takes an 8 hour break while the second trucker drives 8, then their 14 resets as soon as they hit the 25th hour (half way through the second driver's second 8). They alternate each day as to who is driving the last 8 but essentially they both drive 12 hours out of every 24, and sleep, eat, play vidya, etc on their 12 hours of free time.
I dunno if you've actually SEEN the insane cabins in those rigs, but it's basically like having a roommate in a small apartment, except you both work from home and your home is on wheels. I know a bunch of paired truckers and they love their job.
I know you have a rosy view of the trucking industry, but most drivers do not have setups this nice unless they own their rig outright.
DOT hours are ticking even if you're stuck in traffic, if you're behind the wheel driving, it counts.
Though what I understand is that they recently clarified what "personal conveyance" means so you can move the truck to make it to a truck stop or someplace safe without breaking the law, you just can't deliberately "advance the load" while off duty and skip suitable places to sleep, it also allows you to drive the truck into town to go get food even with the trailer attached while still being off duty.
The self driving trucks are already out there. You haven't noticed?
They have a nanny inside of them on their phone not paying attention, but you still have to pay a driver.
/thread
>Atlas Shrugged : Reality (the last five years)
>Rearden Metal : Tesla autonomous vehicles
I think truckers will stay but demand for them will drop after they become last mile truckers.
Meaning trucks will drive themselves 95% of the routes through bumfrick no where and truckers will be waiting for their truck at stop near the city limits to complete the route through traffic.
Not going to happen.
It would be unironically cheaper to cut all self driving AI funding, and use unskilled labor to build more freight lines instead.
It would yield the same outcome you're suggesting, but at a cheaper cost and more feasible.
For clarity: Freight lines as in freight rail (trains)
If those lines can add capacity for public transportation would prefer that honestly along with the removal of almost all personal cars too over self driving shits filling up streets.
That is also not going to happen.
Rail is best for long haul routes (same as autonomous vehicles)
Those routes are much slower than air, and they are not commuter routes.
Most US cities are designed around cars and the only solution is really to build new cities that don't support the car lobby.
Cars and trucks are based, rail is a lot of maintenance really but if Amtrak could get on board then that'd be based.
>rail is a lot of maintenance
So are roads etc.
>Rail is best for long haul routes (same as autonomous vehicles)
So long as everything you want goes from one rail yard to another. That's the power of the truck. You can put a half load into a truck from your place in the middle of nowhere then drive it that day 1/4 of the way across the continent. Businesses that need bulk amounts are near rail or ports. Everyone else can run with trucks.
The network average speed of rail cars is about 5mph from loading to delivery.
Once trucks are running without drivers they can make trip from CA to NY in about 40 hours, less if we raise the speed limits and let auto truck draft at 100mph in convoys.
Or just dig tunnels under the cities. There is a solution for existing cities, you know
Even with a subway system, if businesses are too spread out it doesn't exactly make the city "walkable"
Nor does it save time really
And its super fricking expensive
Don't get me wrong, I like rail more than busses, but busses are simply more economical in most urban sprawl
Not saying rail. More like loops for cars on autopilot. Rail is not good due to the price and centralization (few stations) it introduces. Pretty sure this is a complimentary thing to the tesla autopilot strategy
Tunnels for cars is stupid.
Thunderf00t BTFO Elon on this one t.b.h.
I look like that
>New York Times
How can anyone seriously post that rag?
but you said no later than 2016 and it is 2022
I think a while. At the low end I think local drivers to act like harbor pilots will connect the last mile. Long haul offers a lot of potential to avoid driving limits and the roads are when not under weather easy enough to drive.
A few decades maybe 2040.
Even if self-driving vehicles were real (which it isn't at least not outside of limited ranges where all environmental variables can be known or controlled), truckers would still be needed for the foreseeable future. The road-based shipping infrastructure is designed for human-based ad hoc point-to-point contact and a lot of complicated manual management is needed for establishing those contacts. Amazon might (again, if self-driving trucks were real) be able to automate shipping from one fulfillment center to another, but it would be outside of the possibilities of most logistics operations.
>No One Knows
Cut the FUD, yes they do know.
>number of miles Teslas drive with autopilot on (surely the ~~*telemetry*~~ data they collect includes this)
>number of accidents reported when autopilot is on
>get a calculator and divide those numbers
Tesla only provides their most-sophisticated tier of autopilot (which itself is absolutely NOT fully autonomous) to users with spotless traffic metrics and pull it from them if even the slightest deviation occurs and so the only people using it are Tesla fanboys who pay out the ass for a feature that they have to meticulously micromanage in order to make sure it isn't taken away. The result is people who pay even more attention to the road and are even more stressful driving.
The amount of mental gymnastics here is astounding.
It doesn't take a lot of mental gymnastics to state well-documented facts. The only thing I stated that was opinion was that the system would result in stressfully attentive driving, but that's a pretty reasonable assumption based on basic understanding of human motivation.
Almost the entirety of your previous post was damn opinion
I'm sure you have an absolute rock solid source that only vapid fanboys use autopilot
Only vapid fanboys use autopilot because only vapid fanboys own Teslas. QED
But you can't even get what I said correct, so I know what category of person I'm talking to.
You want some opinion? Here's one: continue consuming blindly because that's the only value you have the mental capacity to add to the economy.
>Only vapid fanboys use autopilot because only vapid fanboys own Teslas.
There is many people who hate musk/Tesla but still own them out if principle of having an electric vehicle.
For the longest time the only BEVs was a fricking leaf which was fitted like an econobox and not everyone wanted it.
>But you can't even get what I said correct
>so the only people using it are Tesla fanboys
>only vapid fanboys use autopilot
Sounds pretty similar to me
I just added vapid as that's the only reason to out up with a high stress feature is to say you have it.
Spew all you want but the fact remains that a lot of collective hours of autopilot operation have been recorded and they can analyze how often it made mistakes, how often the operator had to grab back control, etc.
>numbers
>never publishes/recalls
nice
They won't be put out of a job. They'll still need a driver but like most things it will still be automatic and they'll be paid less.
How much less?
They already make minimum wage,
Minimum wage gets smaller the bigger Bidenflation gets 🙂
That's two ice cream cones and none for you, Jack.
Blame the federal reserve printing twice the amount of dollars in the world every month. Wages won't ever be meaningfully higher.
>4chin told me I would be replaced by robots
>4chin told me I would be paid less
>end up being paid more and now have less work to babysit a machine that fricks up an infinite number of times if a piece of dust falls on its robussy
Ugghh it's really sad that Tesla started having all these issues as soon as Elon Musk interfered with that israeli subversion platform. I was really thinking of buying one too, but I'm just going to wait for the Ford F-150 Lightning
That's a pretty photo of cars in the evening. I kinda like it.
after we build more rail
Techbros from Silicone Valley are always trying to change an industry with apps but then we end up paying for in hidden fees.
Their whole meta is take an existing industry, keep on as few people as possible, have no physical presence or customer support so nobody can direct complaints or fines to you, employ people as 1099 workers through the app so they can stiff them too, and then take 80% cuts of all income in industries where the usual brokerage cut is something like 10-30%.
The problem isn't just the technology, it's also the hurdles of legalization and public perception, doubly so for truckers since they operate under stricter laws than your average driver. It doesn't matter if your self-driving car is 100x safer compared to humans and can operate in the same conditions if most people think differently.
lol
Meaningless data. Everyone's reporting are company's curated self reports. Meanwhile Tesla's are in the hands of actual customers. Not just handful, but 100K+
cope more
never. self driving cars still can't even recognize firetrucks.
who? you mean pedestrians and panhandlers??
1 truck carries like 1-2 cargo containers. you just need to figure out how to lift the same amount with a some flying drone. all flying things carry transponders so making ai fly a drone is easy. airships can apparently carry 1000 tons or thereabouts, that's about a 100 containers.
>pirates block the road with themselves
>ai stops and gets entire shipment looted
>human driver keeps driving
>shipment is saved
Which is more important to ~~*them*~~?
Paying salaries or losing expensive shipments?
Truckers will always have a job even if by remote chance driving becomes automated.
Because someone has to be liable for an accident and it won’t be neither the property owners nor the autonomous driving system manufacturers
Hi,
(excuse my bad English)
I'm indirectly involved in autonomous truck development @ amazon.
We have the trucks. I've seen them with my own eyes a couple of times. Those are developed and good to go on a public road. Those trucks are fully tested and 100% mobile right away.
The problem is - we can't get an approval from any government to let us get them on the road. They are saying that they will loose a big chunk of supporters (voters) because the trucker job will simply be annihilated.
I'm totally fine with it as I hate truck drivers.
Source: I'm kinda involved in this topic.
>I hate truck drivers
most drivers do, truck drivers are barely sentient and are often incredibly sleep deprived and aggressive. replacing them with bots would improve highway safety immensely
On road testing has already started for a bus route where 90% of the driving is on motorways, and it's likely that autonomous HGVs will be tested on our roads by the end of the year
Good Fricking RiddAnce To These LitterAl Toddlers. No Wonder Robots Are ReplAcing Them.
Tell me why we don't just use trains for freight when they can already be as automated as trucks.
I'm sure truckers are intelligent and educated enough to find work elsewhere.
was this sarcasm?
I hope they are put out of business by trains instead of more dogshit trucks creating massive fricking potholes and traffic jams every day
Warehouse America is so depressing
>muh self driving trucks
they don't have self flying planes or self piloting cargo ships that follow the same predictable path over and over and deal with way less traffic variables than road vehicles. We dont have AI trains for fricks sake. It's a giant meme that won't be out for another 10 years if ever and even longer for industry adoption.
>We dont have AI trains for fricks sake.
false
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_train_systems
Alright, if trucking laws in the US are fricked, what countries are there where you can still rail meth and drive for a week straight?
hopefully sooner than later
truckers are fricking insufferable
End of decade.
Commercial shipping is the prime candidate for autonomous vehicles.
Yes, truckers will be out of a job, just like taxis.
>fell for the AI meme
They suck, pal
>wanting all the nice cushy jobs to be automated leaving nothing but low paying construction jobs for people
wow thanks tech bros! really saving the planet there.