How the hell did China and its cities get so populated? Why did China's cities get so much bigger than Europe's cities?
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How the hell did China and its cities get so populated?
How the hell did China and its cities get so populated? Why did China's cities get so much bigger than Europe's cities?
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Forced labor and fricking
rice
This doesn't really explain how China's population got so much bigger than Europe's. Why couldn't Europe just do the same thing as China?
because you don't grow rice in European climates moron
Actually you can however. Europe was never a giant rice growing centralized shithole.
Short answer:
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Long answer:
Rice was originally domesticated in Southern China, while Northern China grew Wheat, Rye, and other cereal grains, but your question didn't really start getting answered until ?I think? Rice migrated up to the Yellow River people and they found out Rice could be grown in flooded paddies.
Flooded rice gets all it's nutrients from the mud and water, the water keeps pests and weeds away, and the best part is you can now double crop it; grow rice back, to back, without any need for rotation or soil reclamation. Flooded rice paddies can also have food already in them in the form of crayfish, carp, and when they're drained and dried the mud left over is fertile enough to grow something else. Rice is just an insanely productive food source if you can grow it.
Rice is also really labor intensive and feeds into itself a cycle of constantly demanding more people to work. Rice has to be planted by fricking hand, no broadcasting, in the mud, bending over, so the more people you had to plant rice the more rice you had ad infinitum. MEANWHILE, the Austronesian crops were eventually introduced through the Chineses' various adventures in sinicization, and so now not only could you grow rice, but in the land unsuitable for rice you could grow bananas and sweet potatoes, starchy food stuffs you could set and forget about to insure against bad harvests.
Europes med-to-temp climate had to live with wheats, ryes, barleys, oats, and all the baggage that came with them. This kind of food production just wouldn't be possible for Europeans until the introduction of potatoes and corn.
nice summary. it always baffles me how Yellow river pop ends up dominating when Yangtze pop was the first to do rice farming.
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China was a Fertile Crescent society when America was still just a hunter gatherer society. Plus the communism allows them to conscript lots of bodies to do public works projects.
The fertile crescent is southwest of you.
yellow river.
That isn't the fertile crescent.
rice growing gives OP population stats. if Japan's land mass was inhabited by white europeans the natural population probably wouldn't exceed about 15 million at most.
so europeans can't farm?
europeans can farm but their farming methods have much less population density.
heard someone say once that the reason for their population boom was the influx of the potato crop
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>重庆你好 3> 世界你好
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>chong ching ni hao
lmao how the frick is this a real language
what's the difference between "ch" and "q"? I just listed to it pronounced and it sounds the same
They're functionally the same sound. The same is true of the sounds of x, c, and s.
They sound the same because we don't distinguish between them, but it's the same way Japs can't tell the difference between L and R, they are very different sounds.
Ch is pronounced with the tongue at the roof of the mouth, q is pronounced with the tongue behind the bottom teeth.
Qang an, Chingdao
No they're different
'Ch' as in 'Chew'
'Q' as in 'Tyoo'
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Now do jiu-zhou.
They are in-fact different sounds
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It's difficult but of course untrained ears will struggle to pick up on it lol
Why did you learn Mandarin? There's literally no pop culture unless you like bland repetative wuxia shit.
why the chinese are wienerroaches
Industrialization makes people move to cities, same as other countries. If you look at each Chinese province like a European country, it's not that surprising. For example, Gansu (a province) has a population of 25 million, and Lanzhou (the capital and largest city in that province) has a population of 3 million in its metropolitan area. The Netherlands has a total of 18 million and a population of 2.5 million in the Amsterdam metropolitan area, which is the largest Dutch city. Maybe what's weirding you out is that you're looking at the population for "prefecture-level city" in China and comparing them to the metropolitan population in a major European capital, which is not the same statistic. The prefecture-level city is far larger than the metropolitan area. For a concrete example, the Chinese provincial capital I mentioned, Lanzu, has a metropolitan area of 1,100 square km but its prefecture size is 13,000 square km.
Even then, China has so many cities with 6+ million people
Paris has 13 million people in its metropolitan area, London has 14 million, and Instanbul has 16 million. Both France and Britain has populations of around 67 million, Turkey has 85 million. For comparison, Sichuan has a population of 83 million and its capital city has a metropolitan population of 16 million, which is proportionally about the same. The other big cities of China are pretty much identical, with the only exceptions being the ones that are government prestige projects (Shanghai, Beijing, Tianjin, and Chongqing are directly administered by the central government, and do not belong to any province). It's not about the number of cities but the proportion, there's no rule saying you can only have 1 Turkey-like province in a country of 1.4 billion.
Sure, but once you leave the very largest cities in Europe (which are still smaller than the largest Chinese cities) you then get a bunch of cities that are still massive but not as famous meanwhile in Europe a city with 3 million inhabitants is in the top 10 largest cities
China suffers the same urban sprawl problem as the us, and they often consider all the build up area as the same city even though they might not be physically connected to each other. The San Francisco Bay area will be considered a singular city under the chinese definition, and cities like san jose and san francisco will be considered districts. Also most of the chinese cities only grew large in the past decades, mostly due to the fact most of their economy relies on construction, so endless blocks of apartments are built. Most chinese cities are not even that dense in terms of population density, the district with the highest population density in shenzhen is on par with the population density of san francisco.
It still dwarfs the European cities with this method
If this were the case the Pearl River Delta would be one megacity of 70 million people.
Imagine living in one of those soulless artificial lightning babylon tower social credit score antiutopias. You just know that those are the kind of places where some government employee would put a price on your soul in exchange for making your life slightly better, or in exchange for making some evil corporation's profits higher or something. And the most depressing thing of all is that a whole lot of people are perfectly happy with such deals. They just won't admit it because they think it's something they're not supposed to say out loud.
>Imagine living in one of those soulless artificial lightning babylon tower social credit score antiutopias.
it would be kino
This is the REAL cyberpunk. At times id rather be dead than alive like this.
I mean, there was that China-anon on /k/ saying the whole "cannibalize all the people in your sieged city" was totally fine because it preserved China the state. I really do think that Chinese people are so anti-individualistic that they don't have a problem dying for the hive.
Dying for a cause is one of the most individualistic thing one can do. You sacrifice yourself so that your name will be preserved and passed down into legend. Traditional Chinese historiography is outright structured to be organized by individual person.
>You sacrifice yourself so that your name will be preserved and passed down into legend.
Yeah and recorded in texts and history etc.
>Imagine living in one of those soulless artificial lightning babylon tower social credit score antiutopias ... And the most depressing thing of all is that a whole lot of people are perfectly happy with such deals. They just won't admit it because they think it's something they're not supposed to say out loud.
I imagine it's partly relative and contextual, and I'm pretty sure you'll get points of view about life in a Chinese megahive from Chinese. If you see some state propaganda it's surreal because Jackie Chan will be leading a chorus singing a song called the "Poverty Alleviation Declaration" where there's economic growth and per capita income statistics being displayed behind them. And you can be like "wtf lol" or "this is a soulless material dystopia" or you maybe some of the people are like "thank God at least we're not starving to death." Can you blame them if things are finally looking up for once? This whole thing is an interesting watch from a whole aesthetic point of view.
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>I really do think that Chinese people are so anti-individualistic that they don't have a problem dying for the hive.
Some of them probably don't have a problem with that. There are positives/negatives to it. I actually don't think it's so hive-like really as the stereotypes. America does seem to go more toward extreme individualism, but that's also weird because it's a more and more secular society, so Elon Musk who is an exceptionally individualistic person doesn't believe in God, he believes in his own individual ego, but what happens when he dies? There's a black void, so he's obsessed with immortality via uploading his brain to a computer. But that's a fear of what happens in the future to himself, it's not really dealing with the problems right now, and that's what China is dealing with. They are trying to solve problems their country has right now. They're trying to overcome poverty right now.
>complaining about cities and artificiality.
Unironically what did the cringe liberal mean by this?
>where some government employee would put a price on your soul in exchange for making your life slightly better, or in exchange for making some evil corporation's profits higher or something.
The Western world.
>why are cities bigger
More land, more area, more money, combined with government programs intended to build up the cities as quickly as possible and fill them with many people so they can claim China superior.
>why is population bigger
I dunno, probably the same reason why India's population is huge, which I don't know, either.
The only correct answer:
Shift from agrarian based economy resulted in surplus population. Shift population to cities for more efficient management. It's not complex
Damn. Nice cyberpunk kino.
See that haze around the buildings? That's coal dust, and this is a VERY clear night comparitively
Dystopically comfy.
I like Chinese
I like Chinese
They only come up to your knees
Yet they're always friendly and they're ready to to please
I like Chinese
I like Chinese
There's nine hundred million of them in the world today
You'd better learn to like them, that's what I say
Hey they made Hitman 3 real.
Rice farming
99.9999% of their population descended from Neolithic rice farmers
is it possible (even hypothetically), given enough centuries and enough societal changes, to “China-fy” (yes I know it’s not a word) Europe?
Sinicize. And not really, the people aren't close enough and already have their own culture. Historically China's only managed to sinicize areas close to it that didn't have a pre-existing culture, like South China.
no what I mean is make Europe the same massive population, densely packed with still somehow urban areas sort of land as China is
I doubt it. Their development has a lot to do with rice farming. Artificial babies are more likely to happen in Europe than the former.