>Tourism is the sole motive force of history.
is this just bait at this point, I don't think even you with your schizophrenic brain actually believe that, you just like the attention I guess
Rome may have had a harder time. I guess we'd have to presume Celts would've inhabited such an island and would've raided Iberia a fair bit, sucking up legions which could've been defending the East. Generals based in Britania were hugely problematic, doubling this dynamic probably ends in constant civil war.
Western Europe probably develops a Phonecian tier network of city states which results in a pretty powerful state. Carthage probably gets along well with them.
More competition in Europe probably sees antiquity look a bit more like the Byzantium era politically. Not sure if it'd be possible for a single empire to hold all those seas at once.
Christianity probably doesn't thrive as it doesnt have an OP empire to enforce it.
If we get to the Age of Discovery, these islands would dominate seafaring; cutting off the rest of Europe from the Atlantic. The mainland probably merges to provide a counter.
An effective Britain with twice the land and populaiton and total ownership over the Atlantic would be OP as frick. The entirety of the Americas would probably be English speaking.
>An effective Britain with twice the land and populaiton and total ownership over the Atlantic would be OP as frick. The entirety of the Americas would probably be English speaking.
Assuming the land is the same, this might not be the case. Unlike Great Britain, most of Japan is pretty shitty for agriculture and the island has almost no natural resources. Japan's population only really exploded after the Meiji reforms, and I really don't see the rest of Europe being naive enough to let them do that. Then again, Europe did go full apocalypse around once a century, so I guess if the continent is busy destroying itself in the Thirty Years War or something, Japan would have a window of opportunity to catch up rapidly, or maybe it will play the role of encouraging everyone else to fight each other so no one power unites the continent and pivots to Japan.
> it will play the role of encouraging everyone else to fight each other so no one power unites the continent and pivots to Japan
aka UK foreign policy for nearly it's entire existence
Believe me if I had my way it wouldn’t exist today. I do admire him in a way, but if I had a time machine I daresay the world would be one Mr. Tone poorer and a few other names besides.
depends at what point that happened
if it was always like that then it would probably have a similar history to ireland (essentially a backwater), maybe a bit more integrated with the rest of the atlantic. I feel like it becomes a natural extension of Iberia as opposed to being its own thing.
I don't think it has major implications, although maybe it naturally encourages attention more westward, as opposed to the channel/straits. Perhaps America gets discovered a bit earlier.
This is the main point, a large landmass so close to the mainland would likely diverge the Gulf Stream and result in colder temperatures in Western Europe. Japan's climate would also be significantly changed due to its relocation. It would be both warmer and more temperate due to the westward winds from the Atlantic and the Gulf Stream, and much more arid thanks to the absence of the Chinese monsoon. The windward side of the islands would be a very nice Mediterranean climate likely similar to the coast of California, while the leeward side would probably be quite arid as a result of the orographic lift caused by the mountains trapping the moisture carried by the wind. I assume this would also mean less rain in France and Spain.
Ultimately it's impossible to know what would be the social and historical consequences of such a profound change in climate, but I'd bet that it would mean poorer and less productive societies in Western Europe.
That wall of islands would all belong to Anglos in due time, so it would be an even bigger-sized and more naval Great Britain blocking France from ever sailing to the west, and likely becomign a big pirate force against other continental Europeans. JapanoBritain would probably colonize the whole Americas for itself. This is the world you have created.
Hokkaido would be celtic and Honshu would probably be latin with celtic influences. a Honshu or Kyushu probably would've been the first to discover the Americas.
>Roman-Samurai wars >Roman (509 BC - 480 AD) >Samurai (1350s - 1876)
Who gets the time machine in your mind there m8? Besides, the Saumrai would get absolutely roflstomped even with a few centuries advantage.
>A giant mountainous island in between Europe and America
Say goodbye to the Gulf Stream, probably. Everything in the Holocene would've turned out differently. Colder Europe means no EEF, probably. No EEF, no Rome. The inhabitants would've ended up as WHG/WSH hybrids assuming some thing would have proceeded similarly. Climatically this would be a massive fricking change.
Iberia might be more arid, due to being shielded from Atlantic rains by the Japanese Alps. If it were more arid, this might actually aid the Tartessians who's society ended due to the Guadalquivir River silting their harbour and allowing them to be overrun by Iberians and Celtiberians. A drier area, like the Near East or Egypt may aid some defence and give them more time to re-work the river systems. On the opposite side of the world, Korea, Outer Manchuria, and the Sea of Okhotsk are likely warmer since warmer Pacific currents reach them and aren't blocked by Japan.
Otherwise, I'd imagine Tartessian and later Punic/Carthaginian colonisation in the Japanese Archipelago. The Madeira and Azores islands are also settled a lot earlier, either by Celts, or Punics.
Rome might even push to expand in the Atlantic more than OTL due to the likelihood of raids and piracy if left unchecked, possibly even necessitating greater involvement in Ireland, and that's if Rome could even overcome Carthage here. Beyond this, I don't think I could speculate as it depends on many other factors
Depends what you mean >The islands have just always been there
Might survive Indo-European expansions until the 1st century AD. Assuming Rome or a similar power arises before the modern era it might struggle to subjugate the island to the point where it’ll be more trouble than it’s worth. Either way I expect a culture that’s fairly insular, especially on the Southern islands.
>Japan with its people plopped down at some point in history
Despite the Japanese having a far stronger claim to being indigenous and unrelated to their neighbors they probably can resist Indo-European expansion in major forms even if they assimilate parts of their culture in general, eg. Indo-European/Shinto syncretism or going full Christian. Assuming Europe still colonizes the Americas first Japan will be able to heavily influence travel to the New World and may dominate colonization with its control over travel from France, Britain, and Hispania. Trade would also probably be pretty nice too.
More Japanese women would be getting railed by BWC
Japan will be the great colonial power. Other than that, who the frick knows.
>Tourism is the sole motive force of history.
is this just bait at this point, I don't think even you with your schizophrenic brain actually believe that, you just like the attention I guess
>the year of our Lord 2022
>anons still reply to the tourism/gdp schizo
Rome may have had a harder time. I guess we'd have to presume Celts would've inhabited such an island and would've raided Iberia a fair bit, sucking up legions which could've been defending the East. Generals based in Britania were hugely problematic, doubling this dynamic probably ends in constant civil war.
Western Europe probably develops a Phonecian tier network of city states which results in a pretty powerful state. Carthage probably gets along well with them.
More competition in Europe probably sees antiquity look a bit more like the Byzantium era politically. Not sure if it'd be possible for a single empire to hold all those seas at once.
Christianity probably doesn't thrive as it doesnt have an OP empire to enforce it.
If we get to the Age of Discovery, these islands would dominate seafaring; cutting off the rest of Europe from the Atlantic. The mainland probably merges to provide a counter.
An effective Britain with twice the land and populaiton and total ownership over the Atlantic would be OP as frick. The entirety of the Americas would probably be English speaking.
>An effective Britain with twice the land and populaiton and total ownership over the Atlantic would be OP as frick. The entirety of the Americas would probably be English speaking.
Assuming the land is the same, this might not be the case. Unlike Great Britain, most of Japan is pretty shitty for agriculture and the island has almost no natural resources. Japan's population only really exploded after the Meiji reforms, and I really don't see the rest of Europe being naive enough to let them do that. Then again, Europe did go full apocalypse around once a century, so I guess if the continent is busy destroying itself in the Thirty Years War or something, Japan would have a window of opportunity to catch up rapidly, or maybe it will play the role of encouraging everyone else to fight each other so no one power unites the continent and pivots to Japan.
> it will play the role of encouraging everyone else to fight each other so no one power unites the continent and pivots to Japan
aka UK foreign policy for nearly it's entire existence
It would be a great stronghold of the Celts, secure from the depredations of the Romans and Anglos
Ireland would not exist as a nation. The English and Japanese would have been aping them from opposite sides for eternity.
Believe me if I had my way it wouldn’t exist today. I do admire him in a way, but if I had a time machine I daresay the world would be one Mr. Tone poorer and a few other names besides.
One Word: Boats
what is the point of these threads
literally everything would have changed
depends at what point that happened
if it was always like that then it would probably have a similar history to ireland (essentially a backwater), maybe a bit more integrated with the rest of the atlantic. I feel like it becomes a natural extension of Iberia as opposed to being its own thing.
I don't think it has major implications, although maybe it naturally encourages attention more westward, as opposed to the channel/straits. Perhaps America gets discovered a bit earlier.
The closed seas would be amazing for trade. Definitely would make the Celts more prosperous.
How would this affected the Gulf Strean?
This is the main point, a large landmass so close to the mainland would likely diverge the Gulf Stream and result in colder temperatures in Western Europe. Japan's climate would also be significantly changed due to its relocation. It would be both warmer and more temperate due to the westward winds from the Atlantic and the Gulf Stream, and much more arid thanks to the absence of the Chinese monsoon. The windward side of the islands would be a very nice Mediterranean climate likely similar to the coast of California, while the leeward side would probably be quite arid as a result of the orographic lift caused by the mountains trapping the moisture carried by the wind. I assume this would also mean less rain in France and Spain.
Ultimately it's impossible to know what would be the social and historical consequences of such a profound change in climate, but I'd bet that it would mean poorer and less productive societies in Western Europe.
oh shit haha I'm glad to see someone else said something first
That wall of islands would all belong to Anglos in due time, so it would be an even bigger-sized and more naval Great Britain blocking France from ever sailing to the west, and likely becomign a big pirate force against other continental Europeans. JapanoBritain would probably colonize the whole Americas for itself. This is the world you have created.
Umayyads would hop on European Japan after taking Spain, take over Britain, and now have two places from which to sandwich the Franks. RIP Europe.
>Umayyads
They lost every single invasion and got BTFO by every European power they'd have no chance.
Hokkaido would be celtic and Honshu would probably be latin with celtic influences. a Honshu or Kyushu probably would've been the first to discover the Americas.
To be honest, I hate Japanese.
But England is influenced to Japan from old time.
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>Roman-Samurai wars
>Roman (509 BC - 480 AD)
>Samurai (1350s - 1876)
Who gets the time machine in your mind there m8? Besides, the Saumrai would get absolutely roflstomped even with a few centuries advantage.
Post right map of ice age (old Stone Age)
>A giant mountainous island in between Europe and America
Say goodbye to the Gulf Stream, probably. Everything in the Holocene would've turned out differently. Colder Europe means no EEF, probably. No EEF, no Rome. The inhabitants would've ended up as WHG/WSH hybrids assuming some thing would have proceeded similarly. Climatically this would be a massive fricking change.
Super United Kingdom
It will be dutch.
Japan is much larger than britain. Who makes these maps?
These maps also always show Great Britain and metropolitan France to be around the same size when France is almost 3x bigger.
total japanoid genocide
there will be white local inhabitants in japan instead of asians.
There's no evidence that europe exists so no real difference
Iberia might be more arid, due to being shielded from Atlantic rains by the Japanese Alps. If it were more arid, this might actually aid the Tartessians who's society ended due to the Guadalquivir River silting their harbour and allowing them to be overrun by Iberians and Celtiberians. A drier area, like the Near East or Egypt may aid some defence and give them more time to re-work the river systems. On the opposite side of the world, Korea, Outer Manchuria, and the Sea of Okhotsk are likely warmer since warmer Pacific currents reach them and aren't blocked by Japan.
Otherwise, I'd imagine Tartessian and later Punic/Carthaginian colonisation in the Japanese Archipelago. The Madeira and Azores islands are also settled a lot earlier, either by Celts, or Punics.
Rome might even push to expand in the Atlantic more than OTL due to the likelihood of raids and piracy if left unchecked, possibly even necessitating greater involvement in Ireland, and that's if Rome could even overcome Carthage here. Beyond this, I don't think I could speculate as it depends on many other factors
hopefully anime would never happen
Depends what you mean
>The islands have just always been there
Might survive Indo-European expansions until the 1st century AD. Assuming Rome or a similar power arises before the modern era it might struggle to subjugate the island to the point where it’ll be more trouble than it’s worth. Either way I expect a culture that’s fairly insular, especially on the Southern islands.
>Japan with its people plopped down at some point in history
Despite the Japanese having a far stronger claim to being indigenous and unrelated to their neighbors they probably can resist Indo-European expansion in major forms even if they assimilate parts of their culture in general, eg. Indo-European/Shinto syncretism or going full Christian. Assuming Europe still colonizes the Americas first Japan will be able to heavily influence travel to the New World and may dominate colonization with its control over travel from France, Britain, and Hispania. Trade would also probably be pretty nice too.