I love Greek Mythology so much its unreal

Mythologygays destroyed

>He's also a planet. Batman should have been a planet.

israeli capeshit-makers did not discover the planets, goy mythmakers did.

>Poets in all Europe wrote poems about the Greek gods into the 19th century.
So basically zero influence to western culture from 300 onward until today, but some proto-journalists wrote a few verses nobody read
Ok
>Examples
Yeah, just code monkey stuff not improving anything and just accelerating compute which leads to collapse. This is a good thing btw

>popular works taking themaric inspiration from Greek works mean that the cultural mores and governing law is just like that
Stop posting now

>Do you think France or Germany of 750-1200 had anything to do with the Greek cities and alliances of 1500 years prior?
Not just a little, the main "pagan practice" that worried the Christians of the time were the Satyr plays/orgies, still going strong in Western Europe.

There were no pagans at that time, also this simply proves what I said. The most influence achieved was some sex orgies (possibly preceding their rebranding as Satyric) among a sea of other cultural traits which was then wiped out anyway

Picking the worst eras of France/Germany as completely distinct from the Greek lineage proves the point.

Have 600-2023 as well. Basically after Rome stopped enforcing their own culture by force
Try the birth of the modern states in these countries. Yes it does proves the point (mine)

About how foreigners perceive them, specifically
Also same as I perceive Norse gods as a foreigner
One can try and emulate the lifestyle of an Olympian on a cultural scale, but he'd still understand it as a capeshit hero

You spend a lot of time thinking about little boys being raped, a norm that was often outlawed and disappeared within decades when talking about a culture of 1500+ years with hundreds of features
Have fun when you get busted

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>Gutenberg and Germans using firepowder were just embracing Chinese culture which influenced German culture

I think you know what a dishonest comparison that is.

You picked two categories that as much as christianity distorted and plagued Europe with their version thereof, they still picked up wholesale from the Greeks to start with.

You‘re once again being disingenuous after previous posts have excluded the range of 700-1200, with greater contextual focus leaning toward the Renaissance-Romance eras.

Cultural diffusion happened to more remote degrees in more remote reaches if that‘s what you‘re trying to imply anything by; but it‘s been demonstrated at length that Greece had a major influence on the body of European culture including the non-deleterious aspects of christianity which were pilfered from it. You seem to be playing some obscure word game as a means to cope.

They literally are one dimension of it, Aristotle was esteemed in a number of fields, the aforementioned arts—and the legacy of those artists—played a significant role, and the Nietzschean angle could well be used to say that certain archetypes persisted. You‘re narrowing the field with a series of backpedals to where it‘s almost incomprehensible what point you‘re attempting to make.

Backpedals on era, region, definition of culture, definition of Greek, and maybe others. Meanwhile you have made zero positive assertions of your case.

>expand era to give you an advantage
>expand region to give you an advantage
>correctly define culture since visual arts are roughly 1% of it
>never change anything besides if it's in your favor
>I still win
It's over

Epistemology is unique to classical Greece and foundational to European philosophy.

The Romans absorbed everything Greek they could find; they greatly esteemed Greek culture. The Roman empire and church (the latter being adopted as the state religion) continued right through to the present. The complete hegemony of the church over Europe for a thousand years moulded and maintained the jurisprudence, literacy and art despite the political disunity.

I'll rephrase what I said, for your comprehension: The Romans larped as Greeks, faking it til they made it. The Roman civilization continued in various permutations down to the present: the French, the Italian states, the Papacy, and Byzantium. After the fall of the latter and departure of their intellectual class to Russia, they considered themselves the heirs of classical civilization.

You cherry pick writers that support your thesis. No thanks. I know enough history to draw the conclusions I stated.

I'm in fact affirming the native identity of Nords, Anglosaxons etc since it never had anything to do with Greek culture, which is my point from the beginning.

Picking the worst eras of France/Germany as completely distinct from the Greek lineage proves the point.

KEK good one
Although I doubt I can help. We had a mixed sanjak rulership type with clergy involved and tax collectors, with the people being Anatolians and convert Greeks. You sadly have rabid inbred pakis

Can't tell if uk would be better off with north india pajeets than with pakis, or worse

>primal bardic steppe nomad brothers
Steppe nomads had no epics and lived an ultra boring life in freezing emoty plains until other later nomads killed them off THOUGHBEIT.

Is Mongol and Xiongnu history already written down? They just didn't write in verse
At least Asian nomads had interesting lives of raiding

Those were probably the western Scythians and Sarmatians. Persians and Greeks wrote a bit about them

>imposing their religion and language wherever they went.
Mass migration is generally good for that, just look at America
Also Aryans are traced in 2000 BCE at East Caspian, not earlier.

You spend a lot of time thinking about little boys being raped, a norm that was often outlawed and disappeared within decades when talking about a culture of 1500+ years with hundreds of features
Have fun when you get busted

Basically the entirety of the arts are Greek in origin. A very clear example can be seen in the Western musical tradition which was deliberately created as a resurrection of Greek drama. Visual art grew out of mythological themes, theater and poetry followed Greek norms, etc.

The unification of the modern states is a bit organic to cite in terms of any historical influence but philosophically enlightened principles and the example of the Roman Empire are certain influential factors.

>Gutenberg and Germans using firepowder were just embracing Chinese culture which influenced German culture

No, she looks like a resentful murderer and lacks any of the heroic qualities of the original.

Anon, you are not making any sense. Who even brought up nudity into this question? The fact is that in the original piece a highly idealized hero is holding high the severed head of a monster, showing it with pride, while in the new one a fairly average girl is almost slouched, holding the head down and with a spiteful expression in her features.

>Anon, you are not making any sense.
Because you're talking to a woman and/or feminist.

Yeah I can see why YOU might like this one a bit better

That sounds like bullshit. Casting a statue is a labourious process and its not something you go about in one night after being inspired. Just the prep work alone, e.g. getting clay and forming the clay sculpture, would easily take a few days. You cant do that entire process quickly.

Allegedly, they crafted them like that intentionally as to not have the genitals be distracting.

ballgazer

only women and homosexuals care about such things

A big dick is a sign of potent masculinity

So you pride yourself on having a small dick?

The artist depicted it that way because it was a given that you don't ask mere property whether your peen is big enough for her and also, because the artists weren't Black folk.

Women cannot be heroic, only men can.

The statue was made by an argie artist as an inversion of the original with the plain intention of turning her into a victim, and considered Perseus just the last man to abuse her just to "look cool".

https://trirec.blogs.uv.es/medusa-garbati/

Stop being dishonest and accept this is plain resentful victimism at display, and rooting for the monster on top of it.

I see 0 arguments. This statue, admited by its own creator, is a work of resentful victimism that roots for a mythological monster. The inversion of roles brings nothing positive and far from it promotes un-heroic spite that the artist unironically relates to the #MeToo movement.

No one is complaining about "canon".

From a propaganda perspective if you support patriarchy you obviously want pro-patriarchy art. This is anti-patriarchy.

>me when the statue of a guy poses with the head of his conquered enemy and his peener hanging out
how heroic!
>me when the statue of a woman poses with the head of her conquered enemy with her breasts hanging out
murderous wench!

She looks like a boss b***h and perseus looks like a sad little cuck, what you yapping about?

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>noooo you can't make fan fiction for my mcu, it's not canon!!!!

My responses:
It does look cool.
>noooo you can't make perseus look like a monster and medusa a victim, that's the opposite of the real story! that's just not right!

We get it. You're into femdom. Just go to the gym.

Must be a case of low T if even gym pump doesn't get you to stop wanting to be submissive to women

women will never respect you

The best way to get women to respect you is to rape them.

What if I go to the gym and am into femdom but even I think that the statue in OP is bad?

Leftists are stupid morons

Which gender has started the vast majority of wars? Which gender commits the vast majority of rape and other violent crime?

Do you know who Grace Hopper was? Or Hedy Lamarr? Or Marie Curie? Or Rosalind Franklin? Or Emmy Noether? Or Lynn Conway? Or Ada Lovelace? Or Margaret A. Wilcox? Or...

Jews and blacks

Those aren't genders.

The computer you're posting this from wouldn't exist without Grace Hopper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper
>One of the first programmers of the Harvard Mark I computer, she was a pioneer of computer programming. Hopper was the first to devise the theory of machine-independent programming languages, and the FLOW-MATIC programming language she created using this theory was later extended by others to create COBOL, an early high-level programming language still in use today.
>At Eckert–Mauchly she managed the development of one of the first COBOL compilers. She believed that programming should be simplified with an English-based computer programming language. Her compiler converted English terms into machine code understood by computers. By 1952, Hopper had finished her program linker (originally called a compiler), which was written for the A-0 System.[2][3][4][5] During her wartime service, she co-authored three papers based on her work on the Harvard Mark 1. She is accredited with writing the first computer manual, “A Manual of Operation for the Automatic Sequence Controlled Calculator.”
>In 1954, Eckert–Mauchly chose Hopper to lead their department for automatic programming, and she led the release of some of the first compiled languages like FLOW-MATIC. In 1959, she participated in the CODASYL consortium, which consulted Hopper to guide them in creating a machine-independent programming language. This led to the COBOL language, which was inspired by her idea of a language being based on English words. Hopper promoted the use of the language throughout the 60s. In 1966, she retired from the Naval Reserve, but in 1967 the Navy recalled her to active duty. She retired from the Navy in 1986 and found work as a consultant for the Digital Equipment Corporation, sharing her computing experiences.

>No woman has ever done anything of value!
>Here's something of great value a woman did
>I'm not reading that!
Predictable. You don't care about what's true, you don't care about arguing in good faith, you only care about posturing.

I suppose so, insofar as it would mean you wouldn't have this computer to post on and would therefore not be posting.

And yet no man did. Probably there are men who could have done it better, I won't claim she was literally the best suited person out of eight billion for the task, but there are also plenty of men who would have done it worse.

You really think no one would have invented the computer if not for her? Are you fricking stupid?

Digital computers would almost certainly exist in some form, but they might look quite different.

Not an argument.

What if I told you I do have a penis?

Make up your mind, is it women who are supposed to make you a sandwich or anyone who disagrees with you?

Maybe you're right fellow man, I must assume you've given this great critical thought and manly consideration.

You really think no one would have invented the computer if not for her? Are you fricking stupid?

>of value
To whom? And for what? Accelerate collapse?
Yeah women are great at that I'll give them that
Possibly their only asset

Make me burger woman

>"gender" instead of sex

Libtard detected. Gender is a linguistic term and sex is the state of being male or female.

Women in power start more wars on average also lmao
Women are literally more inhumane than men. It's funny how unhinged and murderous foids are, especially white women

Who brought up canonicity? Who brought up "mocking" Perseus? What are you even talking about? The entire critique is focused on the values the piece is meant to promote.

1-The artist is a man, you dummy. His name is Luciano.
2-It doesn't look cool.
3-Anon, my entire point is not that the statue "violates canon", or the stupid strawmen you attempt to pass as arguments. My point is that the statue was made with the plain objective of idealizing a mythological monster out of spite and resentment, meant to embody the spirit of the #MeToo movement because according to him Medusa is just a victim and Perseus a dummy arrogant man. If you don't see the problem with these childlish ideas I don't know what to tell you.

>promoting un-heroic victimism and resentment is good!

Women can’t create anything that doesn’t revolve around being a victim, all because some guy with coke bottle glasses and a pocket protector said hi to them in a public place.

Ovid also says rubbing your boner on a girl you find attractive is the way to woo her. I love Ovid.

>Wasn't she kinda turned into a monster because she was raped or some bullshit like that?
IIRC it was that she was hot and Hera was jealous. Many such cases.

She's an evil monster who kills people.

By being a stupid leftist

She's ugly. That's why she's bad.

Go back to plebbit.

https://i.imgur.com/YQ9EFT2.jpg

I love Greek Mythology so much its unreal

From what greek literature is Perseus? I'm currently reading sophocles. Did I miss anything by not reading the homeric hymns, or is Perseus going to appear more lately?

Let's see you say that after getting raped.

Most rape is committed by someone the victim already knows.

That's the problem- there's no way to tell in advance. And a lot of men who rape don't think of what they're doing as "rape", they think of it was "she was clearly asking for it" or "it's her duty as a wife" or "she just didn't want to admit she wanted it".

If both partners don't fully consent to what's going on, it's rape. That's what "rape" means.

So when a doctor injects a measles vaccine in a child, that's rape?

And you think every single person who shows some red flags is a rapist? If you dismissed everyone who showed anything that could possibly be interpreted as red flags, there'd hardly be anyone left.

I did say 'anything that could be interpreted as'. The problem is not all red flags are unambiguous.

oh my bad i thought rape was actually something serious with long lasting effects etc
thanks for clearing up that rape should be legal since it's nothing

Non-consensual sex is in fact very bad.

So when a doctor injects a measles vaccine in a child, that's rape?

No, because A that's not sexual and B there's a good reason for it. There is never a good reason to have sex with someone who doesn't consent. (I mean I'm sure you could come up with a contrived thought experiment where there is, like if someone is telling you "rape this person or I'll nuke a whole city" and you have no way to stop them, but it is extremely unlikely that you will ever be in such a situation.)

>"gender" instead of sex

Libtard detected. Gender is a linguistic term and sex is the state of being male or female.

'Gender' as a euphemism for 'sex' is attested since the 15th century, get over yourself.

>"gender" instead of sex

Libtard detected. Gender is a linguistic term and sex is the state of being male or female.

Surely if women wanted to rob banks they could pick up a gun? As the saying goes, God created men, Samuel Colt made them equal.

Not in healthy respectful ones.

Especially in healthy respectful ones

How would you like it if your partner forced you to have sex when you didn't want to?

My partner is a woman, and thusly very weak, so she couldn't.

>They're trolling you
No, I mean it. Women deserve rape.

no u

Depends on the circumstances.

If I'm like working from home and they came over and just sat on my dick without warning, I probably wouldn't care.

But like if we were in public and they tried to have sex with me without my consent, I'd probably be pissed because there would be obvious social consequences.

Especially in healthy respectful ones

based. i often just attack her in her sleep, pull her panties down and frick her

>Non-consensual sex is in fact very bad

I'd probably agree with you, you'd just need to give some clear reasoning as to why.

I'd suspect you'd say non-consensual sex is bad because it causes trauma, but that's actually not universally true. Rape is not inherently traumatic. Commonly it is, but people can have very diverse reactions to things and some people don't get traumatized at all by rape.

>"it's her duty as a wife"
Marital "rape" it's the dumbest shit ever invented, I swear. You marry a woman and can't even expect to have sex these days. No guarantees, all obligations.
Do not marry.

Are you a woman?

>Are you a woman?
Answer me. For rhetorical politeness.

>Yes, why do you care?
Because it's more interesting if you are.
Now back to the point; I read one of these days that in norse cultures (that the greeks would call barbarians) women and men had a duty to each other.
Mind you, if you, as woman, had a husband who stopped frequenting you, you would have all the right to divorce him, in this society.
They wouldn't look down on you for this.

The right to the sex of your partner went both ways in this model. Do you see any problem with that?

Divorce. You see?
We already have an institute for this.
Why then submit a man to the same stigma, the same social reproval (if taken at face value) and penalty? What for?
What do we win from that?
Should we sign a contract everynight we go to bed?
Why push more bureaucracy into our love?
Is it the State the only way to solve conflicts?

>and tends to be traumatizing
Having sex with your own husband that you've chosen by your own volition and that you went to bed a thousand times before can be traumatizing?

>If you don't want to have sex, yes! How would you like if it someone forced you down and fricked you while you said "no"?
Depends. Is it that with a woman whom I have had pleasure a thousand times before?
If she doesn't go for my ass, and doesn't do any homosexual stuff, I fail to see how it can be traumatizing. kek
Be free to suck my dick, violently. KEK

>You can't ever imagine a set of circumstances under which you would not want to have sex?
Not with my beautiful wife.
It could be annoying, it could be mid. But I fail to see how it could be terrible, if she did mostly the usual stuff we did.

Help my imagination.

>Suppose if she did go for your ass. You didn't consent to that, did you?
If you're my wife and I go for your ass, I'm not "stealing" your condition of woman. Though the same can't be said if we swap roles, you see?
There's not really an equivalence.
The problem here would not be the "violence" (I think at least this we concluded) but the sexual practice in question.

>What the hell does that have to do with it?
Read it again.

If I frick your ass you doesn't "stop" being a woman for that. kek
My objection would not really be to your "violence", but to an act that we never did even in normal circumstances. Do you understand that?

>So anything that you do in normal circumstances is fine even if in that moment you don't actually want to do it?
In sexual matters? Yes.
It can annoying, it can be mid, it can be boring. But it can't be traumatizing. And I surely wouldn't go to Court for it.

Comfortable.

If you mean the US where the state deliberately agitates the bantus and doesn't police them, their crime / protests would dissolve instantly with violent policing and more prison. The only reason there is a problem is because the government is doing its best to agitate black people.

Reference to one of the historical classics, I knew IQfy still had some readers

You clearly have no argument, resorting to name-calling.

Letting anyone besides me vote is what doomed the west.

How convenient that whenever someone who's not a white man fails, it's somehow white men's fault.

The only way to save civilization is to give cartels the vote. White men are morons who gace women the vote.

Properly adjusted women are proud of being birth machines since men can't do that
You wouldn't know

I'm literally a sack of bones meat blood and organs built to rape, kill and eat. Also impregnate and occasionally build a house or some shit

>You wouldn't want to just be reduced to that and being seen as semen makers lol

You see, this argument doesn't work, because a lot of traditionalists/misogynists actually do. They're perfectly fine with men serving no purpose other than impregnating women and killing smaller creatures.

I mean women are perfectly functional adults just like men. They have jobs and take care of their families and can do whatever they want. There's plenty of stupid men out there and they aren't just better simply because they are a man. Saying you are stronger than women doesn't mean shit because we aren't in caveman times anymore when that was necessary. I always laugh when you guys say things like this because don't you have female family members? Probably have mommy issues tbh

Haha you can't do anything about it cry more

>women are perfectly functional adults just like men
roflmfao no

>Smarter not really, women's average IQ is slightly higher (though the male distribution has longer tails on both ends)

So what this essentially means is that all the smartest people in the world are men, and all the dumbest people in the world are men.

Of course.

I think the majority of reasonable people would just conclude that the sexes most likely have equal capabilities of intelligence.

In a more sane world, she wouldn't have had a choice.

Incels are the biggest simps and whiteknights thoughbeit
I wish they died out so we can freely rape women (not ugly ones)

Nobody about talking about Muslims schizo

What fanfics? They have the highest birthrates esp black muslims

Rapists always win
It's a rapist's world you live in

I hate incels thoughbeit. They're ugly and soft
I will use my private drone army to drone strike 100% of incels and women over 30

drone armies operated by men because women are useless lmao

women always have to imagine someone else doing the work for them because they can't do it themselves lmao

>implying chads don't also hate women
Literally the only difference is whether or not you let them know you hate them.

I am a chad thoughever

I feel for the incels (who actually talk to women) because they can do the exact same things I do, but they just get called creepy because they're not as good looking as I am.

drone armies operated by men because women are useless lmao

>Sanity is when people are killed for not having sex

Is this what feminism is in 2024?

So has feminism, but I still engage with the original definition because it's good faith.

Yeah I know. You mean incel as in a man who hates women. There's an actual word for that. It's called "misogynist". I don't know why you wouldn't just use that word instead.

>That's a strawman
No, it's not.

With all due respect, we both know perfectly well that the term 'incel' has grown beyond its original denotative sense.

>incel now means "man who holds a different opinion than me"
Neat.