>ireland
>free of britain for over a hundred years
>the irish language is still a minority language and is still declining
why?????
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>ireland. >free of britain for over a hundred years
>ireland
>free of britain for over a hundred years
>the irish language is still a minority language and is still declining
why?????
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Hes becoming Osman, so each with many things instead of just one faced words...
To talk*
Hes becoming Osman, to talk with many things instead of just one faced words...
>Sheamus, my son, you must decide which of these two languages to speak
>Will you speak english, the most convenient language in the world, with enormous advantages for you and your family
>Or will you speak this dying language that more than half people of this island cant even speak and would be completely useless outside of it?
Geez, i wonder what happened. English is simply much more convenient
Why not both? If you haven't noticed, most people in western Europe know both English and the language of their nation.
>and the language of their nation
Which they learn naturally, from birth, while most Irish people don't have Irish-speaking parents, so they have to learn it as if it were a foreign language. That's much harder.
On top of that, other Europeans need their countries' native languages to communicate with their countrymen. Irish people don't need Irish to communicate with other Irishmen, they all speak English anyway.
Plus, Irish is hard as frick. It's much easier for a German or a Swede to learn English than for an English-speaking person to learn Irish. Might as well try learning Greek or Albanian.
English was the de facto official language of the United Kingdom, and steadily grew in influence from the 17th century into the 19th through both settlement and teaching. By the time of Irish independence in 1922, the (Irish) Gaelic language was definitively a minority language, spoken natively by less than 1/3 of the population, so even substantial efforts on the part of the government weren't enough to revive it. Now stop making this thread.
>muh Israel
Different case, because a substantial proportion of Israel's population didn't speak say, English on one hand or Yiddish on the other, making the state-backed promotion of a third language (Hebrew) possible. In the case of Ireland, by the time of independence like 95% of the population was fluent in English, so it was bound to win from the start.
Why all this cope?
In 70 years china went from a feudal agrarian state to a quasi communist industrial powerhouse.
A lot can change in a hundred years
If the irish actually wanted to they could have devised a plan to make irish a majority language but they haven't
Just because it cannot be revived doesn't mean it cannot survive. Look at Basque, in the last couple of decades they have successfuly managed to turn around the long period of decline and actually increase in the amount of speakers. For Irish that might be too late by now, but I don't see why it was too late in the early 20th century when half of Connacht was still speaking it.
The israelis had the holocaust in immediate memory, causing them not to adopt German as the state language (despite a plurality speaking it, it being superior technically and with a wider reach internationally).
Or the hot redhead Irish chicks got dicked down by ANGLO BVLLS and never bothered to teach their children Irish.
Reminder Germanimals got BVLLed by powerful R1b L21 Atlantid Neanderthals.
Weakest Irish woman can knock out an Anglo boy with one hit.
Why do you talk like this?
Haplozodiac homosexualry rotted his brain.
Hes becoming Osman, so each with many things instead of just one faced words...
They got Anglicised. Just like in Scotland, their elite were Engaboos.
It's pathetic when you realise how well Welsh is doing. I lived there for a bit and there plenty of bilingual signs, the roads say ARAF, I heard a few people talk welsh amongst themselves and they didn't look that old, there's programs to promote welsh only literature, I saw a job that had a requirement to speak basic welsh.
Better, but not that much better.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/06/proportion-of-welsh-speakers-in-wales-drops-to-record-low-census
Ditto for Scottish Gaelic.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/02/scots-gaelic-could-die-out-within-a-decade-study-finds
Scottish Gaelic at least has the excuse that most of Scotland (outside the western islands) never picked up that shit.
I'm actually more surprised that Scotland didn't pick Norse or Danish as their second language.
>when you realise how well Welsh is doing
It's doing better, but it's still a minority language in Wales, and it's still declining.
Truth of the matter is that no unified, and codified Irish language ever existed. They spoke differently from one region to the next so that when they settled on an “official gaelic” after independence to teach in schools these kids would go back home and their parents and grandparents couldn’t understand them, so they reverted back to English at home. It became no different than learning latin or some other useless language except for the 0.01% of the population it matters for.
Also, Irish history is so dull. I don’t know why the board gets littered with Irish threads. Even Moldavia has a more interesting story than Ireland.
If this is true, then it's another huge factor. English is the same from the american East Coast to the New Zealand, with only minor differences that are easily dealt with
I know this is just yet another thinly veiled Ireland-bashing bait thread but honestly if we had a government that was willing to pull out all the stops reviving the Irish language as the main spoken language I just fricking know you'd be throwing shapes over it, just like the loyalists currently are over the Irish language bill in the six counties.
If anyone's actually sincerely interested in this topic go read The Broken Harp by Tomás Mac Síomóin, its by far one of the best recent books on the subject
i will keep making this thread until i get an actual answer (no, blaming the british is not an answer) as to why the irish government has done such a shitty job of reviving irelands actual language
I gave you a book recommendation, take it or leave it
>dude just spend your money buying a book instead of me giving you a simple paragraph or two explanation
People did give you an actual answer. Language is a tool - when people stop using it as a tool it ceases to be. The primary purpose of a language as a tool is to communicate with other people, and if nobody else speaks it then there is no impetus for you to learn it.
Thus, it naturally extends from this point that language will continue to centralize - more and more people will learn English, less and less people will learn all of the national languages until only English is left. Its simply the natural progression of things.
You might as well go around asking why nobody uses hand plows when we have huge agri-combine harvesters. The answer is
>That's a dumb fricking question, why the frick did you even ask that you mouth-breathing mongoloid?
>People did give you an actual answer
No they didn't
>You might as well go around asking why nobody uses hand plows when we have huge agri-combine harvesters. The answer is
Not an argument
Give me an actual reason why the irish government didn't or have not devised a plan to make irish a majority spoken language in ireland. Seriously it wouldn't be that difficult to devise a thirty year project to make irish spoken throughout the country
>an actual reason why the irish government didn't or have not devised a plan to make irish a majority spoken language in ireland
Because no one actually cares about it
the people who make up the irish government are not particularly nationalistic
>e-everyone will give up their native languages for english eventually, w-we were just first to do it!
Sounds like Irish cope to me. Even in countries where English-proficiency is +90% everyone very much continues to speak their mother tongues in day-to-day life as there's no need to speak English when there's no foreigners around. Only way this would change is if everyone would become international cosmopolitans, which will never fricking happen, despite muh globalization, as most people prefer to live where they have some sort of social network.
Not enough autism
Ireland simply is an anglo-saxon country. It has strong celtic influence of course, stronger than England, but it's not majority-celtic anymore
Also, if England didn't cease to be Catholic, Ireland would still be in the UK in all honesty. People don't care about religion nowadays, but it was central to people's lives in the past. It was just the final straw that the irish couldn't take
The political establishment doesn't give a shit about it or really anything culturally unique, and ordinary people feel no incentive to use it. In fact speaking Irish to somebody is considered rude. Before independence this was because it was a peasant language, nowadays it's considered pompous. It's a sick culture really
Ireland lacked a great leader, who would set up institutions and traditions in the country, that would endure. Because of the lack of a founding father they just reverted to Catholicism.
Catholicism was deeply important to the Irish long before republicanism came about and any leader would have to pay service to it if he didn't want priests up and down the country denouncing him. Perhaps its existence alone made people complacent about their identity so that Gaelic culture was allowed to be eroded away
Because Irish people are just English people LARPing as if they are still Celtic in any meaningful way.
Same with the Welsh and Scots.
They are celtic genetically and mostly culturally, just not linguistically.
elaborate
>free of britain for over a hundred years
What do you call this then?
English words are just objectively easier to say, I tried learning a little Gaelic once just for shits and giggles, my tongue can't make some of those noises.
>my tongue can't make some of those noises.
Like this?
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