Is he right? Are "personal freedoms" just another meme?
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Is he right? Are "personal freedoms" just another meme?
Is he right? Are "personal freedoms" just another meme?
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Not only is it a meme, it is the literal definition of a meme. I’m no communist but the only freedom you have to freedom to starve to death against your will if you don’t work or have people who care about you. Communists won’t feed you either though.
Want them to wipe your ass as well?
Write down on a piece of paper exactly how much you think anybody fricking owes YOU.
You right. People should starve to death in the streets. I swear libertarians make capitalism look worse than commies ever could.
Yeah, we shouldn't create incentivizes for people to work. We need a society where everyone just stays at home and is well feed.
How horrible.
Lacking a social saftey net isnt an incentive, it's coercion. Capitalist countries still practice slavery more or less, just with extra steps.
Giving people free housing, free food, and free healthcare doesn't incentivize them to work or produce. Why would you work when everything is provided for you? Stagflation happened in the 70s because we literally did what you're saying. It just made people lazy, reduced productivity, and increased inflation. What you describe as "slavery" is literally a naturally occurring process of survival - being productive. Every animal, every society has had to have people be productive to acquire resources to survive. Its not up to us to provide for you when there is limited time for us to acquire what we need too. Stop being lazy and learn how to be self sufficient. Death, suffering, pain and conflict is what life is all about; its what makes life interesting and eventual. It what makes life worth living - great men and great societies would not exist without such things which created the ambition and change to move forward. Real death is what you purpose - the stagnation and stand still of culture, art and society for hedonistic debasement for your own enjoyment.
>bad thing good
That's just your aesthetic valuation of what makes a good society, likely produced as a coping mechanism for just what a shithole nation you live in. You have your own masochistic form of hedonism.
Meanwhile i live in the real world, material reality. I just want to make sure people have their needs met instead of wanking myself off about what's good in life.
>That's just your aesthetic valuation of what makes a good society,
And your aesthetic valuation of is one that fetishizes pauperism, and turning the whole world into a nanny state poor house because you can't live with yourself knowing that people in life want more than just their material needs met.
If they want to do more than have their needs met there is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is leveraging what people need, not want, *need* to live in order to make them more productive.
Without leverage, there's no way to separate the wheat from the chaff. Natural selection is the law of the land, and there's no social combination to eliminate the differences in want and desires we all have. We don't all share the same fate, have or want the same needs We are perpetual conflict with irreconcilable differences of survival. Some us do certainly want more than others, and have no problem with taking more than most. We will do so, and there is certainly nothing you will ever do to stop us. Life is a military campaign, an endless war of survival - we're not surrendering our ambitions for your frivolous demands of restraint and humility Only slaves are humble.
>blaaargh blaaah im a darwinist right wing moron with 0 morals whatsoever i deserve to be gulaged
You will never be a woman, and own the means of production.
You will never be a billionaire
You will always be a stem chud wageslave who worships elon musk
You will never have free healthcare, UBI or housing. You will always be poor.
I’d rather be a productive free man and reach the limits of my own ability, than be a parasite subsidised by someone else.
But we know why leftists don’t want that - because they aren’t capable of competing in the market. That’s the only reason anyone has ever wanted communism, because the market deemed them useless. They’re genetic detritus.
Exactly. These people gender studies degree for 250,000 and say capitalism has failed. They're morons.
The edgy wageslave defends his masters system. Almost cute if scum like you didnt have voting rights
>Wage slavery
You only call it that because you're too lazy to raise a family, you worthless bum.
You work and make your boss money because he can destroy your life by firing you. You depend on him and he can make you do whatever the frick he wants. By defending capitalism you are just showcasing your stockholm syndrome to the world.
If your boss can destroy your life by firing you deserve it. I can't believe you'd be so moronic you can't find another job.
everyone who died in gulags deserved it
>Giving people free housing, free food, and free healthcare doesn't incentivize them to work or produce.
Why do people NEED to be incentivized? Why can we not simply train people to pursue whatever comes naturally to them? Do the birds need to be incentivized to fly? Do the lilies need to be incentivized to turn their heads towards the sun?
Capitalism doesn't teach people to be self sufficient. Rather, it coerces people into relying on their employers for everything.
All that would happen without specialization and surplus is subsistence agriculture dominating daily life. There would be no art or entertainment. Plus we do not have capitalism anyway.
Why would I subsidise stupid people? Why would I want stupid people in the gene pool? I thought Marxism was supposedly pro-science?
Its a stupid argument anyways. In the US, homeless people are more obese than people who work. The idea that you starve if you don't work is clearly a lie. We already subsidize too many people who are greedy and want more.
Yeah, no one had to work for food until capitalism.
When the world was less exploited, men and women could feed themselves by shaking trees and fishing in nearby rivers.
Capitalism was the argument to communism. Fighting fire with fire. If X is going to create a civil state and get people to worship them then we will teach people to be selfish and worship themselves to ensure that we get the resources.
Only after communism ceases to exist can we find a better alternative to capitalism.
It is difficult for me to imagine what 'personal liberty' is enjoyed by wild animals.
True freedom is being kept safely in captivity, with access to food and exercise equipment.
>True freedom is being kept
bait or moronic, take your pick.
It's clearly satirical, moron.
>pretending to be moronic is satire
you need some semblance of creativity for satire to have an effect. Wearing the skin of a moron only makes you look like a moron.
Just fricking shoot the poor as a freeholder. It's not like Stalin ultimately did anything else.
There is nothing to suggest, materially or religiously, that "individual rights" exist whatsoever.
>religiously
As if we care what religion has to suggest on any matter. Come on now
There is this thing called rule of law, wherein we grant rights to people in exchange for obligations.
We also know that Russians and other groups were never capable of creating it.
There is nothing to suggest communists are people either. I guess we can just shoot people like you for the lulz.
It's called "self reliance" and somewhere along the line people lost the ability to manage it but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or never did. The only reason you can't just hunt and farm freely is because the state says that you can't, because it claimed every scrap of land that greedy bureaucrats and corporations did not. I'm not an anarchist or something but just because this fairy can't imagine growing his own vegetables and working with his neighbors to defend their property and liberties doesn't mean that there is no such concept.
"self-reliance" was invented in the 80s
we live in a society, get over it
>that wasn't REAL communism
>that isn't TRUE freedom
Reminder Stalin was a 5'5 manlet homosexual who is on record having sucked dick
>who is on record having sucked dick
That's huge if true, can I get a source?
my grandfather
www.aryanwarrior88.blogspot.com
Of course a small-souled insect would shit on freedom.
Yes, talking about personal freedom is just meaningless rhetoric.
It sucks to starve to death but it also sucks to be shot by the secret police for calling the great leader a homosexual
We should eliminate both in our societies
Being unfree is worse than being unfed. The communists saw that millions were both at once. To be free gives one the means to be fed. They are not opposed, but rather they are quite unrelated.
The communists deprived people and whole nations of their right to dissent, to free expression, to a fair trial, to free practise of their religion, to voice what was on their minds without being turned into just another statistic of the repression. To fly the flags of their countries and to leave their collective farms, to go on strike, to live with even the smallest apartness from the state: such rights as these were denied.
When personal freedom came, so too did food, so too did great grocery shops and supermarkets.
Doesn't matter, he's as dead as bolshvism and the Soviet Union.
We in the west decided that personal liberty was real and as an added "frick off" to bootlickers everywhere, we in the US decided to enshrine that concept in our constitution.
Is it a part of why things are so fricked now? Maybe. Its still better than the alternative.
Americans have the freedom to oppress each other by private means. You can have one big fish eating some little fish or many medium fish eating all the little fish. Latter is america.
Effeminate eastern bugman cope
Based gulag enjoyer
Soviets were wrong about everything.
>NEET Echo Chamber, the thread
>female-brained redditor that’s incapable of empirical, analytical argument #13628638
>georgian-soviet philosopher and political activist
made me chuckle
Nature is cruel or dumb, because it has set the parameters in a way that the planet becomes an arena where they fight each other to survive. I would have set the parameters in such a way that all living beings do not exceed a certain population so everyone would have enough space, ressources and live in abundancy. Human population would have to shrink to pre agrarian times, but then again, whats the point of generations after generations that hunter/gather, over and over again. Why ? Whats the point?
>The ability to do something equals the freedom to do something
do commies really
is there any fricking argument made by a communist that doesn't require equivocation or simply words they've made up
hit me with the >hurrrr all words are made up; you fricking idiots
stalin
True freedom would be 100% unemployment and no states on earth.
no but in order to actually understand that you need to be genuinely religious
also leftoid homies genuinely be like pic related and would then surrender their own lives to stalin if he ordered them to be killed
>capitalism has welfare for people who can't make enough money to live, and even NEETbux in many countries for aspies who don't want to work
>communists will throw you in a gulag for parasitism if you don't show up to your wagie job
Wtf I love communism now, throw all the welfare Black folk in gulags
When you get right down to it, "freedom" is a mostly meaningless concept.
"Coercion" is the right term.
But even then you get questions like "is social pressure a form of coercion?"
Ultimately, none of this matters, because anyone who tries to construct an ideology/worldview from first principles is a hypocrite at heart. All communists and hardcore capitalists are just working backwards from the conclusions they already reached.
Based Stalin
Not really. Absolute freedom is the ability to break the law. Which no society tolerates