Is it true that they were richer and experienced a better quality of life than South Koreans until the 1980s?
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Is it true that they were richer and experienced a better quality of life than South Koreans until the 1980s?
No. The DPRK was always a miserable totalitarian shitheap where people's entire lives were rigidly controlled from the top down and consumer goods were scarce and generally only available to the ruling elite. Economic aid from China and the USSR went to defense and infrastructure, nothing went to improving people's living standards.
Do you have even one source for any of that?
>bro they are dying of hunger because of western sanctions even though they have an unimaginable quantity of cultivable land
NK is doing worse than some fricking mesopotamic civilization 6000 years ago
first off ignore the tankie. secondly no the place doesn't have that good agricultural potential; it's more mountainous and the climate is colder than South Korea. the 90s famine happened when they lost their supply of subsidised Soviet grain (also chemical fertiliser) which allowed the population of North Korea to exceed what could have naturally been supported by its available farmland. the famine conditions leveled off after the surplus population had mostly all died.
pretty much this but the soil quality was also worsened by america bombing it into smithereens
Somehow this didn’t affect Japan’s postwar recovery lmao. Two nukes and they’re the third largest economy. In 500 years North Korea will be exactly the same while the rest of the world is colonizing Neptune and tankie morons will still be muttering incoherent cop-outs about “sayncshuns”
>Somehow this didn’t affect Japan’s postwar recovery lmao
bombing of japan was concentrated, with North Korea they just bombed any and all ground they could find
Bullshit. Go on, cite YOUR source
Take it from one of the top officers in the USAF.
>and some in South Korea too
Do conservatives know that they can criticize communist policies without being total fricking hysterical morons?
>Two nukes and they’re the third largest economy
Why are you bringing up their economy? It'sa but their soil and whether or not it's arable. Japan doesn't have much arable land and imports most of its food.
Don’t get me wrong, communism is shit but the US absolutely demolished North Korea.
>American planes dropped 635,000 tons of bombs on Korea—that is, essentially on North Korea—including 32,557 tons of napalm, compared to 503,000 tons of bombs dropped in the entire Pacific theatre of World War II.”
Also striking every town, destroying estimated 85% of all buildings, and killing more civilians, both as a percentage of the much population and potentially in total compared to the much larger Japan. Basically the US used its leftover WW2 stuff to launch an apocalyptic bombing campaign on North Korea
Don't forget that they intentionally destroyed farms and dams with the intention of starving them and sparking regime change. The anglo special.
explosions don't significantly affect soil quality.
North Korea's land wasn't arable to begin with.
>the famine conditions leveled off after the surplus population had mostly all died.
Amerikek estimates are half a million of "excess deaths" at most.
The population was what 22 million? And the population has been growing trough the period and continues to grow to this day.
They didnt die off from some malthusian trap, just shook of the shock from their foreign trade collapsing and the floods.
Bro are you stupid lmao. Literally almost all of their infrastructure was bombed to ashes during the Korean War and the entire country is basically mountains.
>Commies are so incompetent they can't build basic infrastructure
what, and japan wasnt during ww2?
>Ummm, SOURCE? Do you have a SOURCE for those dubious claims, my fellow redditor?!
Jesus Christ shut the frick up. The fact that the people are held captive in their country and have to risk death to escape should be a clear enough sign
Thought so. No proof, just PILPUL
i mean you can choose to be moronic or you can look up HDI stats, you can look up the amount of famine that's occurred in the last 30 years, you can just look at the level of control their government has over the day to day lives of the average citizen but the simplest way to show how much shittier stuff is in north korea is to look at the malnourishment
the average south korean man is 5'7
the average north korean man is 5'2
there is so little food that nearly everyone has become an irreparable manlet
do americans unironically think there's still a famine going on in korea?
Considering Kim is the only fat frick in the entire country while everyone else looks thin and malnourished. Yes for sure people lack food in nk
>American sees country with mostly skinny, healthy people
>LOOK THEY'RE ALL STARVING
being skinny is not healthy, moron, just compare south korean soldiers to north korean soldiers, you are moronic as frick
>being skinny is not healthy, moron
i actually wasn't sure if you were american until now
This is an american website, being skinny like being obese is not healthy, imbecile
>americans think obese and skinny are two equally unhealthy extremes
No one said they are equal, being skinny is not healthy, do you have an argument besides posting gifs from american movies
>No one said they are equal
you were equating the two as if they were comparably healthy
>being skinny is not healthy
In the vast majority of cases being skinny is totally healthy
They are both not healthy, that was the point
>In the vast majority of cases being skinny is totally healthy
No is not, being skinny is worse than being obese
d.com/diet/news/20140328/underweight-even-deadlier-than-overweight-study-says
Obese people live longer than skinny people
d.com/diet/news/20090625/study-overweight-people-live-longer
>No is not, being skinny is worse than being obese
this is so ridiculous a claim that i've concluded you simply have a very skewed view of skinny=anorexic
>No is not, being skinny is worse than being obese
No amount of amerifat cope will make this true
Americans still think there are WMDs in Iraq and that Berlin was captured by US forces.
and what about dick sizes?
>risk death to escape
>end up dying alone on the street after their SK gibs run out
Face it, Korea is a shithole regardless of what side of the 38th you're on.
Yeah, any sources at all? This is literally the exact line of propaganda that's been fed to me since I was in grade school in the midwest. Not that I consider it complete bullshit, but you can't just respond to a question with the official narrative and call it a day. What are you even doing here?
On top of that Kim Il Sung moronicly tried to construct rice paddies when the North's climate wasn't suited for it and so they cut down tons of trees leading to major soil erosion.
They still do live better. South Korea is a despotic fascist shithole, US slave regime full of rape, corruption, unemployment, homelessness, chauvinism and nationalism.
Have you ever been to South Korea?
I'm not a rich bourgeois cretin so no.
You should take a break from whatever tankie discord server is poisoning your brain and go outside for a while. It'll do ya wonders.
Bring outside in the real world and working for capitalists made me a communist thanks, and I don't use discord.
you could have just said “no”, your reckless internet bolshevism has given you a neurological impairment
Only wealthy bourgeois cretins and rapists have the time and money to go abroad to places like southern Korea.
1. Sexual abuse is an extremely common occurrence in the case of North Korea's labor camps.
2. The entire North Korean political landscape is shaped by loyalty to the WPK and Kims, the more you have the better off you are.
3. Better to idle and receive nothing than to labor and still receive nothing. Atleast then it is a fair deal.
4. Look up what a Kotjebi is. Atleast South Koreans acknowledge the existence of their homeless.
5. b***h please, North Korea's the only country that still clings to hermit kingdom-esque ultranationalism and militarism for the sake of militarism, as well as petty spitefulness about an era far gone. South Korea has made amends with all of it's neighbors, including China and Japan, EXCEPT North Korea because you can't make amends with a country whose entire existence is based around the idea that your country is illegitimate and not fit to rule Korea. South Korean culture is as cosmopolitan and global as it can be.
It's also mandated circumcision, whereas North Korean boys are allowed to keep their foreskins. It's clear which nation is morally superior.
Damn that's crazy, you seem to care a lot about dicks
Yes, I do. And you know why? Look at your dick. Now look back at your monitor. Now look back at your dick. It's gone. You know why? It's because you're South Korean, which means it no longer exists, like South Korea.
But South Korea still exists though
>hermit kingdom-esque ultranationalism
Glow more, the DPRK is internationalist and has aided communists from Palestine to South Africa. South Korea was modelled on the USA and nazi Germany.
>South Korea was modelled on the USA and nazi Germany
where did it all go so wrong?
Nowhere, it was designed to keep the proletariat in chains.
Imagine still believing USSR propaganda as if they didn't cart off and kill everyone who they didn't like as they did to their own people.
As communists our "own people" are the proletariat, anticommunist bourgeois are treated properly by the Chekists.
First for all, there's not "your people", you are a moron loser, second, the bolshevik-ussr government murdered left wing people, you are literally no different from nazis, you are totalitarian statists, third, even the Pravda admited the psychopathic crimes of the cheka and how they had to end up heavy drinking and using drugs just to numb their consciousness from all the murder and torture they used to did
Killing "left wing" anticommunists is necessary. The dictatorship of the proletariat isn't "left wing". That the bourgeoisie still scream so much about the Cheka to this proves its necessity and enduring value in teaching enemies of the proletariat the new way.
>our "own people" are the proletariat
Certainly not the proletarians in Kronstadt, Tambov, Poznan, Budapest, Prague, Berlin, Chechnya, or Kalmykia
They were anticommunist peasants and bourgeois yokels who got a good raping. The current Russian bourgeoisie unveiled a monument to Kronstadt. It was an anticommunist bourgeois action and properly dealt with.
>They were Anti-Communist peasants
As in, the proletariat. Your class doesn't change because you don't support Communism
>Bourgeois yokels
In direct juxtaposition to such famous proletarian heroes such as aristocrats Lenin and Dzerzhinsky, lumpenprole Stalin, kulak Trotsky, and petit bourgeois Sverdlov
>Anti-Communist bourgeois action
*Anti-Communist proletarian action
>The current Russian bourgeoisie unveiled a monument to Kronstadt
The current Russian bourgeoisie celebrates the defeat of Nazi Germany every year, therefore the Red Army was bourgeois
How many countries can the free proletariats north koreans travels to?
>Having allies means internationalism
Nazi Germany was truly internationalist
Internationalism means supporting communism internationally and aiding revolutionaries which the DPRK does. The DPRK only exists due to the USSR.
>Internationalism means Communism
Here we have it, the pinnacle of Marxist intellectual dishonesty, every word only means what it means in relation to Communism, every positive word actually means whatever is convenient for Communism and every negative word actually means whatever is inconvenient for Communism
mfw this moron is serious
People like you should just be killed on the spot. You are way too moronic to even be allowed to breath the same air as everyone else
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If is so good go live there bro
You judge for yourself
Parity in the 50s and 60s but SK was racing ahead by end of the 60s
Would have been interesting to see what NK would be like if they invested their free money better. Also go look at North Korean military parades in the 70s and 80s, they look healthier and taller then compared to now
South Korea was a totalitarian military dictatorship until the 80s, too. North Korea is a Chinese vassal, it has nothing to offer. They rely on counterfeit currency and the sale of hard drugs to make up their hard currency reserves. South Korea is a client state of the west with security guarantees and under American suzerainty. It’s not a mystery why one left the other in the dust in terms of human development.
They still have a better life than any west*id or any of their puppets.
Why are communits like this
What went so wrong in their lives I just don't get
Why are you moronic?
They're entitled brats who were never disciplined and envy others' possessions and want to steal it via government, but they never envision their own wealth being redistributed or starving because they offended some part official. They're moronic godless parasites.
Based and true
Isn't it baffling? These aren't working class truck drivers, farmers, mechanics, tradesmen, soldiers, or anything of the sort chanting EAT THE RICH. These are middle class college educated white collar yuppies who larp as revolutionaries on the internet. They live in the wealthiest societies in human history and have all their needs met and an endless amount of luxury right at their fingertips, and yet 30 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they still shill for failed 19th century economic theories.
The funniest thing about it is they truly believe they'd be an inner party member managing a worker's council if their revolution ever came. In reality Cleatus and Jamal would line them up against the wall while the Commissar redistributes all their property
The ones you find here are either trolls or are severely brainwashed. There's no point in debating either. Just mock them as clowns. The trolls will still get some satisfaction out of it but at least you won't waste your time, and the tankies are impossible to talk to because they live in an altered version of reality where information they don't like bounces off their skull.
>nooo you can't just bomb us to kingdom come
wow... it's almost like... you should have thought about that before starting a war...
No
lol, where did you hear that OP? From tankies?
They were better than SK until say the 1970s. You have to remember South Korea was Africa-tier back then, being a poor second-world nation in comparison wasn't so bad.
Communists who defend North Korea today are absolutely moronic though. The justification for this dynastic nation being a communist one are
1. "What about Western monarchies like the UK", to which my response is "lmao"
2. "It's a wartime economy", which hasn't been true since the 1950s. North Korea is backed by China, there is no risk of being conquered.
North Korea will never fall as long as China is around. Shit, the only fricking reason North Korea exists is because the Chinese needed allies as a buffer against Westerners on their southern border.
If the Norks all died tomorrow, the Chinese would simply colonize it with ethnic Han peoples and resume business.
they should do that right now
this sounds like an outdated meme from 1965. obviously the US isn't going to invade China through the Korean peninsula in this day and age.
yes, the japanese industrialized the north, and the south was just agriculture
Fulfill your duty and whack a commie today, lads. In Minecraft
i wanna save the north korean women they're so cute
you can read accounts of James Dresnok or the USS Pueblo crew to see how miserable life was in DPRK even in "good" times of 60s-70s