I've never seen this book discussed on IQfy outside of morons saying Holden raped his sister.
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He raped his sister.
Phoebe
If you are the dedicated rapes Phoebe anon that always posts it in every Catcher thread I didn't mean to steal your thunder. I'm the anon that always points out that Holden paid for a prostitute and didn't frick her.
Good lord it's been a long while since i read this.
I only vaguely remember the scene where the MC's gang and another gang fight because the MC's friend got fricked up by the guy who wears big rings.
That's The Outsiders for chrissake!
Way better book than Catcher.
How so? I don't think it's a bad book at all, I just think that Catcher's coming of age themes are more interesting than Outsiders.
Outsiders had more fighting, someone dies as a result, the protagonist has to change their appearance and go on the run, saves some kids from a burning church, one of his buddies robs a place and opts for suicide via cop, b***hes are b***hes, the lives of the characters have a more individualistic element to them. Catcher is mostly about a guy who can't frick a hooker and sticks too much to his own imagination and believes everyone else is somehow less authentic. I suppose the question of which embodies coming of age better is really just preference, and I can understand why Catcher would appeal to more people since most people can likely relate to holden more but Outsiders will always be the better book to me at least.
That was quite nice.
I would say even though Catcher doesn't really have an element of adventure, it's entertaining in a way one gains pleasure from rummaging someone's personal life and finding something shocking.
It's great that Holden's mind flows in a stream of conscious and slips out quite interesting pieces of information in an unconcerned manner. It's like listening to a veteran tell a bit about himself before saying "we don't talk about that" or " It had to be done" when the topic of combat is introduced, at least that's how I felt when he mentioned details about James Castle's suicide or perverted stuff happening to him.
I don't know I like neurotic characters
Despite what people say and think, The Catcher in the Rye is a masterpiece. While its prose is on the simpler side of things, it is an incredibly tight novel abounding with symbolism beyond cigarettes and hunting caps.
Unfortunately for Salinger, his attempt at writing something wholly unique and expressive of himself happened to be the bottling of his zeitgeist. He cringed every time a person said that they felt connected to Holden on a deep level.
False. The Outsiders, which is an okay book for elementary students, lacks the depth and elegance of Catcher.
Explain what makes catcher so great. Its not a bad book but its pretty milquetoast bildungsroman. And it came out in 1950 so its not like it broke ground. Thats one of the oldest genres ever
its not a bildungsroman
It's been years since I taught the book for high school, and I did so only once.
Ultimately, its a book about the loss of innocence.
Holden Caulfield is a terrible name. It's too on the nose.
>Hold-on Caul-field
>A “caul” is defined as a part of the amnion, one of the membranes enveloping the fetus, which sometimes is around the head of a child at its birth. The caul protects young children, just as Holden dreams to do when he tells Phoebe his ideal profession would be the catcher in the field of rye.
You have the symbols of his suitcase as his personal baggage (I also vaguely remember something about how it is decorated), his hunting cap as a sense of protection against the world, alcohol and cigarettes about escapism and 'adulthood', the ducks as innocent creatures fleeing from the cold (and maybe dying), the juxtaposition between his encounter with the prostitute against his encounter with the nuns, his care about the word 'frick' insofar as a child might see it, and the carousel as a symbol of Samsara.
That's all I can really recall at this moment, but I remember digging into the book with a more literary mindset. It blew my mind how subtly Salinger wrote the book.
Caulfield is just a kid trying to find a place in the world and sees so much nastiness and trickery. It's not about who is and isn't a phoney, it's about who preserves the beauty of their genuine nature in this cycle of life (i.e. Samsara).
Got any recommendations with the subtlety and simplicity(prose) of Salinger?
Unfortunately, I don't have any solid recommendations of that order.
I don't read as much as I would like, and that which I do isn't at the caliber I would like.
Nabokov.
good read, thank you.
>Explain what makes catcher so great.
Its a novel which tells you in Ch1 and the final chapter that it demands hostile interpretation using psycho-analysis. The narrative voice is systematically psychoanalysable. Holden as a narrative voice attempts to deceive the listener (he's in talking therapy remember?) and to deceive himself.
Holden was systematically sexually abused, and deals with other sexually abused people in his narrative, all of which he badly conceals and it leaks out his father distended anus as a mixture of shit and semen. Which makes us read his claims about himself with hostility. Which leads to an analysis of his depraved failures at adolescent sex
after which
He rapes his sister, Phoebe.
And he was a good friend
He rapes his sister, Phoebe.
*of writers
I found it too israeli to relate to in a normative sense.
I made a book review about it if anyone is interested, just a silly video.
Nice pussy.
Never read this book before. Two of my former coworkers told me that I remind them of the main character. I just bought it today. What am I in for?
you can't rape your own sister. being a sibling is implicit consent