I want KDE.
>Debian
Outdated, Sid breaks frequently and doesn't even have KDE 6.
>Ubuntu
Snaps.
>openSUSE
The codecs situation is really fricking rough. Installed codecs (and the entire graphics library, Mesa) from packman the other day and it broke my system. Artifacts everywhere. Plus, I don't trust packman as much.
>Fedora
Same deal as openSUSE basically.
>Arch Linux
Technically usable in theory, but setting it up is difficult and I just want my computer to work. The installer doesn't even work and my issue hasn't been fixed.
The state of Linux is bad in current year.
>Same deal as openSUSE basically.
it's two checkboxes and a package, anon.
Yet it's the same issue! People complain about rpmfusion lagging behind and then breaking their system or their updates. It's also a third party repository.
Mint is the only distribution that I can say just works, but it doesn't have KDE (I tried installing it on it, it didn't go so well)
I don't like the shitfest that is GTK and the whole GNOME world so I want to use KDE.
Who are these people complaining? For the better part of the last decade the Fedora community seemed rather euphoric that they got the "working" distro, everytime i checked for something.
That said, what codecs do you have problems with?
The default Mesa has hardware accelerated decoding disabled. So you have to install it from rpmfusion. But that, I have heard, breaks from time to time.
They are not complaining about Fedora. They are complaining about rpmfusion.
Hadn't had Mesa breaking since somewhere before Rona. Five years ago..
They only recently broke Mesa by removing hardware acceleration support.
>aur
That's a deal breaker.
No thanks. The xz maintainer would have been an official and verified maintainer.
If xz was distributed as a Flatpak there would have been no impact to the host system because of containerization. You're inadvertently arguing FOR Flatpaks.
The xz fiasco highlights that fact that even packages in the default distribution repositories cannot necessarily be trusted.
>The xz fiasco highlights that fact that even packages in the default distribution repositories cannot necessarily be trusted.
The maintainers you mean. xz was more of a social engineering attack than anything.
It is why there should be a community wide rule on "i am burned out" posting. Keep your b***hing off your maintainer profiles and messages.
Nobody fricking cares, if you want to stop working on a project pass it the frick on and delete your fricking accounts. But because the currency in FOSS is clout and ego. Nobody will implement these rules on shutting the frick up about your personal problems.
The chink found a person who was depression posting on main and managed to slip in by giving asspats.
xz was backdoored by one of many contributors, not its maintainer
also xz isn't even an app on flathub, it would be a runtime and I have no fricking idea who maintains those but probably flathub staff
the backdoored XZ was basically on every rolling release including arch, gentoo and opensuse so I don't know how avoiding "third-party" would solve this security issue because it absolutely wouldn't
you take your pills today?
>xz was backdoored by one of many contributors, not its maintainer
No, he literally became maintainer.
And thanks to the open-source nature of the code, he was caught before the package went out to mainstream distros. If something similar happened to Microsoft or Apple, we still wouldn't know about it, and it probably wouldn't be patched.
That had almost nothing to do with it. It wasn't found by source inspection, but because a pre-release caused weird behavior when a Microsoft employee tested something unrelated.
>almost nothing
And the problem causing said behavior was quickly found and fixed because the source code was readable.
How many proprietary Windows programs cause weird behavior, and the general response from Windows support forums is "you're wrong for expecting it to work" or "use a different program maybe" or "just update your GPU drivers"?
OP, listen to this homosexual if you just don't ever want to learn anything or enjoy your desktop experience at any point in the future.
>because the source code was readable.
No it was not. It was hidden away in a hell of generated scripts, the latter which is accepted in open source because open source is full of bullshit. It was binary code.
Binary code generated by human-readable M4 macros or something, wasn't it?
>generated scripts
A "binary" script? You'll have to explain this one to me.
Autoshit (proper name autoconf) generates sh code using M4 macros. It's common to put the generated sh code into release tarballs, because autoconf is dogshit that breaks all the time (it was designed to generate portable sh code, which works anywhere - autoconf itself can break old M4 input on updates). Nobody reads the generated sh code, even though it's text, because it's too much and it's assumed it matches the output of autoconf. The actual malicious code was binary machine code hidden in test files. The test files are dummy xz files or even just binary garbage to test the xz parser.
>It's common to put the generated sh code into release tarballs
So the problem was that distros half-assed the compilation process by not running autoconf themselves?
Do distros regularly build test files when packaging software for large-scale release?
>even though it's text
Glad we clarified that, anyway. Looks like someone did end up reading the text, which is how the problem was discovered.
Looks like Gentoo was not affected.
Gentoo had the backdoored package along with the rest of the rolling distros, it and Arch weren't vulnerable because of how they're configured. OpenSUSE was.
Okay. I fail to see the problem, then. The use of open-source software led to the discovery of the backdoor, albeit in a roundabout way, and the open source nature of said software also directly led to most operating systems that use the package not being vulnerable to the backdoor in question unless they were lazy and half-assed their configuration. No server or stable operating systems were affected.
The original post was about how OP is a dumbshit for thinking third-party repositories introduce security issues like the XZ backdoor when it had nothing to do with that.
>So the problem was that distros half-assed the compilation process by not running autoconf themselves?
The standard traditional GNU way to open source is to let autoshit generate the build system (a large blob of generated sh scripts and makefiles), and anyone who wants to build them uses them. Regenerating them is normally only something a developer of the software does.
>Do distros regularly build test files when packaging software for large-scale release?
The test files were part of the release tarball, in case someone wants to run the tests. Normal practice.
>Glad we clarified that, anyway. Looks like someone did end up reading the text, which is how the problem was discovered.
No, you fricking idiot.
you mean spend his time to learn how to fix mess of that OS?
what enjoyable desktop experience are you thinking of? krashde? mobile ui of gnome? 90s design of xfce?
You're saying as if 90s UI wasn't peak
not true. we still don't know what the exploit even did exactly. and even what we know is basically all through decompilation... just like with closed source software
>>aur
>That's a deal breaker.
then do a pacman -Rns yay and just use pacman, but avoiding the AUR would be kinda painful unless your requirements are very basic
pick between debian arch mint, keep all files and folders in one big folder and sit it out until one of them pulls their heads out of their asses and then just switch
>openSUSE
>Fedora
Just use flatpaks so you don't have to bother with codecs.
I don't want Flatpaks.
Have fun on Windows then. Flatpak is the new standard, like systemd.
>new standard
Only on half baked distributions like Fedora or openSUSE.
or half baked dpkg-based distributions like Debian or Ubuntu
Which are by far more popular than your toy Fedora.
Fedora is more popular than old debian
more than bloatpak
No its not its fricking cancer like the Windows Store, GNOME and Canonical devs and all the rest of these linux dev newbies that keep turning it into iOS really need to be executed before its too late.
if you don't use nvidia, unironically consider the following:
https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/v3.20/community/x86_64/plasma-desktop
^ only drawback is you will need flatpak for proprietary stuff like steam and out of repo bloatslop (very rare)
Why?
If you don't use flatpaks how else can they inject malware into your system anon.
>The state of Linux is bad in current year.
Linux has never been nor ever will be good. It's flawed on a conceptual basis.
>eunuch's philosophy
>freetardism
>a million cooks in the kitchen
Remove these and you'd have a chance of a good OS, but then it ceases to be Linux.
this and picrel. Linux WILL never be usable or good
Lot of buzzwords there.
GNU/Linux will never be Windows.
Winblows anon coping on IQfy. I get it anon
Install Gentoo.
Too difficult.
Then get good Black person
I don't care about technology until it starts getting in my face. I'm a homosexual troony, I have better things to do.
>git gud!
>skill issue
It's very fitting that linuxtards adopted the same speech patterns as dark souls gays because both involve handicapping your experience in order to impress autists online.
>complain about the easiest distros to install
>give harder to install distro that suits your needs
>NOOOOOOOO THIS IS TOO HARDDDD I'M A 70 IQ Black person WHO'S ON HRT WAHHHHHHH
terrible maintainers nowadays
gentoo has fallen
too slow, hours compiling bullshit
>openSUSE
Just
sudo zypper install opi
opi codecs
Bro
I just told you what the problem is. Please read again.
I don't trust Flatpak. Remember the xz thing, I don't trust third parties.
You can install flatpaks that are packaged by first parties only - would that be sufficient for you?
The state of linux isnt bad, the state of Guuuuuhnome and KDE is bad.
You are stating you want something that works ootb but then insisting on the least ootb friendly DE. KDE is a buggy mess with 1000 options, the whole point of it is for tinker troons. If you want just works go with debian + cinnamon or XFCE.
If you needed newer then go with Linux Mint edge.
If your still not happy then just use windows and do the dance to remove the telemetry shit.
Mint does this, it was mentioned in the blog they are disabling 3rd party flatpaks in the software center.
Seriously, OP just needs to use mint and stop being gay for KDE.
Everything on Linux is third party.
>I want KDE.
>I want a working OS
see there is your problem
>I want Linux
>I want a working OS
see there is your problem
mint werks on my machine
No one will give you an ideal perfect setup, you have to take one and tweak it yourself.
Take Kubuntu, remove snap. Ta-da.
Windows isn't perfect OOTB either, you just got used to its bullshit and know how to unfrick it.
If I remove snap, I need to get Chromium from somewhere else.
>Windows isn't perfect OOTB either, you just got used to its bullshit and know how to unfrick it.
Sure it isn't, that's why I don't use it, but still.
>chromium
bro... your crying over snaps and flatpak but use chromium?
I need it for MS Teams for my job.
Will Brave work? lol
That has an easy to set up apt repository.
I'd rather use Chromium than brave, are you kidding? My entire goal is to not use third party repositories.
I still have to use the Flathub container libraries.
I've been considering this for a while. Is it easy to maintain? Should I avoid upgrading before a presentation?
KDE works fine for me, I really like it. Mint just doesn't have the features I want. It's not like I 'tinker' with my desktop, it just has more good features like HDR and FreeSync. I also need Wayland.
>Flathub container libraries
What do you mean?
I think they require you to install a runtime.
I get it, you're just going to deny all the easy and absolutely tested and trustworthy solutions because you're paranoid and have autism. Go use a Mac or something.
>I also need
Why do I smell gaymer... Just use windows goy.
I don't play video games.
>Wants KDE, HDR and Gayland as well as bleeding edge shit.
>Im not trying to gayme on linux I swear
Your full of shit and I suspect this is a big shit post.
generic steamOS 3 distro when
>Is it easy to maintain?
I think so, unironically
>Should I avoid upgrading before a presentation?
yes, but Id recommend this for every OS/distro
if you're talking about
, I think you have a misunderstanding. There's no "Flathub" runtime. See https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/available-runtimes.html
>There are currently three main runtimes available: Freedesktop, GNOME and KDE. These are all hosted on Flathub.
It says that they're all hosted on Flathub.
I don't understand the problem.
Flathub is the standard repository for Flatpak applications. In terms of a trust model, it is no less trustworthy than you installing packages from your distros package manager - which likely is using one of many available mirrors at any given time.
If you want to be extra safe, just install Flatpak applications packaged by first parties. That's security ON TOP OF the containerization provided by Flatpak applications.
I like to trust the least amount of people as possible. It so happens that it is mandatory for me to trust my distributor, but it shouldn't be to trust anyone else.
>first parties
By first party, I mean my distribution.
Your distribution has a package manager. Most of the packages you install from it are maintained for free by independent "third parties". Do you scrutinize each and every package being installed from your package manager?
What's more - those packages are NOT sandboxed. You could have had a poisoned xz packaged as part of a Flatpak, for example, and it wouldn't have had any effect on the host system.
I understand your general philosophy of wanting to trust as few sources as possible. Even if that's the case, you can download Flatpak bundles from GitHub directly for software you want and install it without enabling Flathub.
>Flatpak, for example, and it wouldn't have had any effect on the host system.
Sure. But if I had a poisoned Firefox, it would be able to get my banking details from the browser (itself) anyways.
> Most of the packages you install from it are maintained for free by independent "third parties".
As far as I am aware, packages on Debian for instance are maintained by Debian developers and it's not actually easy to become a package maintainer. Anyone can create a Flatpak.
>Anyone can create a Flatpak.
Then use only the verified flatpaks, these are official and maintained by the developers of the app.
>As far as I am aware, packages on Debian for instance are maintained by Debian developers
https://wiki.debian.org/SponsoredMaintainer
>Anyone can create a package for Debian on their computer.
It is true that Debian has a process to become a sponsored maintainer or Debian maintainer.
But Flathub also has a review process: https://docs.flathub.org/docs/for-app-authors/submission/ "Your pull request will then be reviewed by the Flathub reviewers. Keep in mind that the reviewers are volunteers."
Additionally, Flatpaks on Flathub can be verified or not: "A verified app is an app that is published on Flathub by its original developer or a third party approved by the developer. Flathub has verified the developer's identity using the app ID and the developer's website or profile on a source code hosting site."
I don't see how this model is any less secure than the model for a distribution's package manager. Again, because they are Flatpaks, they're more secure by default because of containerization. And - again - you can just download Flatpak bundles from individual sources you trust and eschew Flathub entirely if you wish.
he literally doesnt know how any of this works and is either shitposting or being autistic about something he doesnt even understand - possibly brought on by watching goytube and getting the idea NASA are trying to arrest him for his cartoon kids and only Linux can save him.
Try EndeavourOS then you goblin since Arch too hard
The welcome app lets you do a bunch of shit easily.
To update you just do
>yay
To install something from official repo or AUR you do
>yay -S packagename
It's still Arch so have your snapshots in order and don't update before needing to do something important. Save it for a Friday or something when you have time to fix any issues. Check the Arch homepage to see if there's any manual interventions needed before updating.
Unfortunately a lot of softare is only available through AUR, which is a repository for user-made scripts that install software for you. You will need to read these scripts, called PKGBUILDs, they are often short and not too difficult to understand.
Use EndeavourOS if you are too moronpilled to install regular arch.
so use an installer if you're to lazy/brainlet for arch, like endeavourOS
>want to use Arch
>don't want to install Arch
Just use Artix. People like to call it 1337 because you can use any init system, but really it's just easy to install Arch
>Fedora
Flatpak
>Redhat/fedora
IBM owned
yep. the font alone makes me want to neck myself. what the frick looks like im looking at 1998 era font.
linux literally feels like its held together with duct tape and glue. at any moment it'll just shit the bed
All of those distros also use systemd.
I recently had some packages migrate from packman to OpenSUSE repos. I think zypper could make things more clear, but usually the most detailed solution in their conflict resolver is the correct one. Waiting for the KDE 6.1 update.
jesus christ
I really think KDE needs to completely rebuild their theming system from scratch. Custom themes are so incredibly buggy.
I agree with you, OP. You are too moronic for Linux, please keep using Windows and/or OS X.
Thank you for reading.
>I want le UPDOOT
use arch/derivative or go back to windows
rpmfusion has a version mismatch from time to time in the package manager, but nothing is "broken" in the way you said
>linux sucks now
I installed Mint after the whole Recall fiasco and its the best desktop experience I've had in years, all of the games I want to play work and I can even still use Godot for development of the game I was working on in windows with 0 issues.
Browsing the internet and watching videos locally are both flawless, gaming on steam is easy and workarounds exist for big games on other platforms like ubisoft connect.
Linux actually "just works" on many machines now, which is a far cry from the un-usable mess I tried 10+ years ago.
OP states he doesnt want GTK cancer though
Every issue with linux somebody jumping over can be solved with "just use mint" and when you get a little more familar "just use LMDE" but no, these speds insist on using meme distros.
Are you me? I'm quite literally living the same experience.
Although this isn't what the OP's topic is about, I came to read anyway to learn more about Linux shit
the best way to get linux fundamentals is just to jump into it i think
i jumped into it by building a home nas with zfs, samba, kvm/qemy vms with virt-manager, etc which helped me learn a huge amount over a few months
not saying you have to do that, it's just how i jumped in
The main issue with mint is that it has outdated packages, and the fact that it is a frankin distro based on ubuntu, based on debian. But if you hate the terminal and just want to use linux because someone on youtube told you windows 11 is bad and you should switch to linux, then by all means, use mint. Just understand that you will have allot of issues as soon as you start having to copy text into the terminal. Compatibility with Ubuntu guides and solutions will very. I honestly recommend Kubuntu for noobs, and just suffer the snaps, they really are not that bad.
I'm open to changing distros in the future if I need to or if I start having problems. I mainly did the switch because I got tired of the bloat, and I'm not afraid of learning something new with my computer. I doubt I'll stay on Mint forever or anything.
>also xz isn't even an app on flathub, it would be a runtime and I have no fricking idea who maintains those but probably flathub staff
I understand that. I was using it as an example to demonstrate that, in practice, any package, malicious or not, is more secure when distributed as part of a Flatpak due to containerization since Anon brought up xz specifically.
Arch and Gentoo are your best options today, depending on how much fine-grained control you want over your system.
>installer
Yeah, don't be a pussy. There's a very easy-t-follow instructional guide on how to install it, and it's idiot-proof. Same goes for Gentoo.
>it's still too difficult
Then buy a Mac. I had to get one for school because mandatory proprietary software that won't work on Linux, and it's a better experience than Ubuntu (still not as good as Gentoo).
Anyways, not everything about Apple is great, but being able to run a 70b LLM on consumer hardware has been nice, and at least I'm familiar with the command line.
>setting it up is difficult
>The state of Linux is bad in current year.
no, the state of you in current year. How can you not even manage to install arch linux? you should not even be allowed to operate a computer. stick to apple toys you absolute subhuman.
just stop being a moron and use windows
linux is not worth the time, it's fun to frick around with it for like a month but that's it
Come home, white man
this tbh gentoo is a meme but it just werks once you spend the time to install it
Install FreeBSD
>struggling with installing Arch
Okay maybe you need something simpler like EndeavorOS
>doesn't even have KDE 6.
this is a feature not a bug, KDE 6 is absolutely terrible
how do homies struggle installing Arch? nowdays its fricking easy
>Outdated, Sid breaks frequently and doesn't even have KDE 6.
use KDE5. Also, werks on my machine.
>Snaps.
Don't use them if you don't like them.
>The codecs situation is really fricking rough. Installed codecs (and the entire graphics library, Mesa) from packman the other day and it broke my system. Artifacts everywhere. Plus, I don't trust packman as much.
Skill issue.
>Technically usable in theory, but setting it up is difficult and I just want my computer to work. The installer doesn't even work and my issue hasn't been fixed.
The state of Linux is bad in current year.
yep, linux sucks for you, please go back to using your telemetry OS of choice, thank you for trying!
but debian also collects data like which packages you most often use, making it telemetry OS
are you talking about popcon? popcon defaults to off in the installer and you have to manually turn it on for it to send anything. or is there something else? if you're talkaing about popcon, that doesn't count
>but setting it up is difficult
It takes like 30 minutes the first time you do it, it's actually very easy to do. Watch a youtube guide as you use the wiki if you really need it.
arch is the only one you can make usable, sadly it will take an entire day to learn how to use it, this is a lot of time wasted, better spent nutting to jocks
doesn't kde 6 suck anyway? why do you feel like you HAVE to use it when kde 5 is tried and tested? gnome with dash-to-panel and desktop icons is also a consideration if you refuse to use kde if it's not 6
Debian with LXDE or LXQt. Or Lubuntu, easy to de-snap.
Just get KDE Neon, it's the latest KDE on Ubuntu without snaps.
i used fedora for a while and never had any issue using the mesa-freeworld package
you are moronic
mesa-va-driver-freeworld and mesa-vdpau-driver-freeworld, and yeah it's easy as hell. OP has some kind of deficiency.
What do Linux users think of Chrome and ARC?
KDE
>fractional scaling causes mouse accel
GNOME / Sway
>fractional scaling causes blurry windows
>fractional scaling causes full screen apps to run at lower res
Can't even get a working display server / de
i3
>fractional scaling causes no negatives
>just werks
i3 doesn't support fractional scaling moron
>fractional scaling
should have thought about it before wasting money for a meme resolution
more like you suck in the current year and all past years and all future years
owned
Try KDE Neon, it's the official distro maintained by the KDE devs and based on Ubuntu, but I can't guarantee that you won't run into issues.
OpenSUSE tumbleweed was the solution. Use OPI codecs.
Computing in its entirety sucks in the current year.
I used Arch on my Laptop, OpenSuse Tumbleweed on my desktop. I really don't understand what OPs problem is. Just install OpenSuse then follow this guide.
https://www.techhut.tv/opensuse-5-things-you-must-do-after-installing/
I've had zero issues doing this.
Also, archinstall is literally just installing linux with a MSDOS wrapper. Its braindead easy. Sure following the arch wiki to install would be hard, but archinstall is faster then most other linux installers. Just make sure you get network-mangment and the applet for it.
I want Debian just up to date without extreme handholdy and Ubuntu tier shit, why does such a thing not exist?
Debian sid or Debian stable with backports.
Install CachyOS
If you can't set up arch use endeavourOS which is basically an arch installer.
>setting it up is difficult
that's a you problem
>and I just want my computer to work
it pretty much just does
>The state of Linux is bad in current year.
the good thing is that it is staying as bad as it was years ago while the alternatives are rapidly getting worse
works for me
it works for anyone who isn't a complete moron
>R5 5600
look at this richgay with his $150 CPU
>"the linux kernel sucks because shit distros are shit and i'm too moronic to use arch"
too bad, not my problem, works on my machine
stay in windows and tinker with cygwin or something lmao
quick question
on your arch machine, do you use security enhancements such as secureboot and selinux/apparmor?
NTA, but no. I just have an unprivileged user that has no network, and cant access files on my real user, and run unknown software there. Ive used it maybe twice in 3 years tho. I always install from arch repos, or read PKGBUILDs and make sure i trust the source: e.g. librewolf.
Why not give nixos a chance? unstable is fine, and it something goes wrong you can always go back to a earlier generation.
>the year is current year
>linux users still boast about typing commands in a terminal to install an OS
The lintard brain is utterly incapable of imagining someone wanting to go on with their lives. Year of the Linux desktop never.
>t. Linux user
Huh? Mint is literally for toddlers, more than windows.
>Amd
>tv
stuck in limited RGB mode with no way to switch to Full RGB except edit edid and add to bootloader.
>still doesn't work
this kernal bug for Amd has been known for 15+ years
>Year of the Linux desktop
>I want ease
Ubuntu
>I hate snap, tho
Mint
>I hate apt, tho
Fedora
>but IBM...
Manjaro
>but the guys online know it ain't Arch
Arch
>THAT'S TOO HARD!
>WHY ISN'T THERE A DISTRO FOR ME?!
Just install cachy or endeavor or smth.
Fricking kde ate shit again after updating. Frick frick frick
Is there an easy way to see where OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is progress wise with updates passing their tests to be included in the next snapshot?
Literally switched to Linux for the first time a week ago, Arch was easy to install. Obviously I was wtf when I reached partitioning in Wiki, but there are 3-4 step by step YouTube videos that are very recent. My backup plan was EndeavorOS which is literally Arch but with install that makes Windows 11 seem more complicated. So many guides out there that literally anyone can install any Linux distro IMO.
It's the maintenance that made me switch away from arch. I could do it, I just didn't want to after a few years of using it.
I am yet to find out how difficult it is, for now I am counting on Timeshift if I screw up something.
That's fair. If I had a spare machine I'll likely give arch or even gentoo a shot again if only to tinker with it.
Linux noob here, what's wrong with flatpack?
How do you even have time to try out all of these distros? Are you a NEET?
>im a dumb lazy Black person and require the windows experience on all operating systems
you cant spend a little bit of your time learning something to install something? just shoot urself in the head
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/merge_requests/2715
GNOME bros, we keep winning