>has never set foot in Ukraine >doesn't speak a word of Ukranian >has lived like an American all his life >h-he's not american at all, h-he's ukranian!
2 years ago
Anonymous
He's not Ukrainian, but that's because that's an artificial identity that will eventually be absorbed back into Rusdom. But he's certainly genetically Slav, you absolute moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
since when are we talking genetics and where did I deny them you absolute lardlord?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not him, but fat guys debasing themselves in front of a camera for the avarice of a mob is a time honored American tradition that goes all the way back to Curly Howard getting smacked around all day by his brother Moe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
just like 99% of modern americans, which are either mexican or european immigrants
Don't forget that also included probably the largest amount of writings on their language ,and don't forget his work on the carthaginians too, the only work that ever mentioned their culture and society
>tfw >90% of writing from chinese golden age philosophy, history, etc. was burned
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_books_and_burying_of_scholars?wprov=sfla1
What kind of philosophy, poetry, and history books were lost in the Qin purges? What were some schools of philosophy that competed in the ancient era but faded at the Qin era?
Well, many but we can only assume. Out of those 100 only very few remained.
For example, we only know very little of the mohists, a rationalist school of thought, or of the agriculturalists. Very often in relation to confucianism.
History, well, Sima Qian's records have been archeologically accurate even until the Shang, but literally most of his presumable reference works (written on bamboo too most likely) have been lost.
Poetry I don't know much, but probably more stuff like the Book of Songs.
All in all a tragic event though much of the material would've perished anyway.
I am struggling dabbling in Classical Chinese. How many definitions would you say a character has on average? It feels like 10 to me. This is very tedious but thankfully I am very interested in Chinese culture.
I'm interested in whatever we can wrest from Shu history. There are assuredly intriguing, strange tidbits to be found from a culture with mofo's who made art this fricking Metal.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah classical chinese is pithy but very vague sometimes. Either extremely simple or lots of meanings. Idk, characters aren't the issue as much as the grammar and compounds. But probably like 5?
Ba Shu and Sanxingdui are really interesting but other than archaeology it's sad we can't find much out since the script is illegible.
2 years ago
Anonymous
All right 10 was definitely too high, I was doubling the sense due to compounds instead of individual characters. I looked at 20 individual characters and it averages to about 5. So you're right.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's hard to quantify what constitutes one definition, because meanings of a character are often extended from one core meaning. Not to mention words may have a different meaning in a certain specialized context. Classical Chinese is a language you have to build intuition for.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why was it developed like this? Other languages had more developed grammars.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well, it still has a grammar, it's just based primarily on particles (prepositions and such) and juxtaposition rather than inflected forms- like English but more so. But 'Classical Chinese' is also an umbrella term for about the Zhou all the way to some time in the Han, and later authors imitating it drew on words and constructions from all those periods as well as occasionally borrowing (consciously or unconsciously) from their spoken vernacular.
2 years ago
Anonymous
God help me. So does English have guides for CC's dialectal differences? If not, what about written in Hanyu?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>So does English have guides for CC's dialectal differences?
Not that I know of; I'm not sure how well studied the particulars are. Often it was just explained in the commentary of that particular text, though there were a few lexicographical/dialectographical works like 方言. >If not, what about written in Hanyu?
Sorry, my Mandarin's somewhat limited so I don't know much about that.
Oh, so is the grammar simplified for written basically so that dialectal differences would be minimized in documents, to maximize general intelligibility? I think I've heard that explanation before, but haven't investigated the range of explanations myself yet.
Were commentaries expanding on these terse documents standard practice, or were the unpackings mainly done in the oral culture?
>Oh, so is the grammar simplified for written basically so that dialectal differences would be minimized in documents, to maximize general intelligibility?
No, more that there are works written in multiple different dialects and chronolects in the classical period and later writers drew from multiple of them (though Mencius was the biggest influence.) >Were commentaries expanding on these terse documents standard practice, or were the unpackings mainly done in the oral culture?
I know there are commentaries going back pretty far.
By the way, I'm on a Discord server about this sort of thing with a bunch of people who know a lot more about this than I do, here's a link if you're interested: https://discord.gg/mGGEegBv
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thank you but I avoid discord and venturing beyond my regular sites in general
2 years ago
Anonymous
Alright. Well, if you're on reddit, r/classicalchinese is friendly if not the most active.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh, so is the grammar simplified for written basically so that dialectal differences would be minimized in documents, to maximize general intelligibility? I think I've heard that explanation before, but haven't investigated the range of explanations myself yet.
Were commentaries expanding on these terse documents standard practice, or were the unpackings mainly done in the oral culture?
Well, many but we can only assume. Out of those 100 only very few remained.
For example, we only know very little of the mohists, a rationalist school of thought, or of the agriculturalists. Very often in relation to confucianism.
History, well, Sima Qian's records have been archeologically accurate even until the Shang, but literally most of his presumable reference works (written on bamboo too most likely) have been lost.
Poetry I don't know much, but probably more stuff like the Book of Songs.
All in all a tragic event though much of the material would've perished anyway.
And by reference works I mean pretty much anything regarding the individual kingdoms' histories except Qin. There's a reason wiki pages for early chinese history are so sparse, not only because of lack of interest. Sima Qian probably summarized lots of 1st hand sources in a couple sentences like "Qin won at Hangu pass against the coalition" but those went poof.
Atleast we ave decent architecture today!
Americans are disgusting
You mean the OP pic? He's Ukrainian.
But adapting American way of life.
Still not American
>has never set foot in Ukraine
>doesn't speak a word of Ukranian
>has lived like an American all his life
>h-he's not american at all, h-he's ukranian!
He's not Ukrainian, but that's because that's an artificial identity that will eventually be absorbed back into Rusdom. But he's certainly genetically Slav, you absolute moron.
since when are we talking genetics and where did I deny them you absolute lardlord?
Not him, but fat guys debasing themselves in front of a camera for the avarice of a mob is a time honored American tradition that goes all the way back to Curly Howard getting smacked around all day by his brother Moe.
just like 99% of modern americans, which are either mexican or european immigrants
So only Native Americans are actually Americans?
According to your dumb ass, it seems so.
How do you figure, what is essentially disgusting about the American.
Don't forget that also included probably the largest amount of writings on their language ,and don't forget his work on the carthaginians too, the only work that ever mentioned their culture and society
>the only work that ever mentioned their culture and society
i wonder why that is , why the ((carthaginians)) refused to have works done about them
>answer this judeans, if im antisemitic, then how come hannibal's me favourite general
>t. big scipio
And his work on the Caesarian Civik wars that Augustus had suppressed
and nothing of value was lost
>tfw most ancient literature (especially non Greco-Roman works) is lost
didn't he also write an etruscan grammar and dictionary, now lost, too?
>tfw >90% of writing from chinese golden age philosophy, history, etc. was burned
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_books_and_burying_of_scholars?wprov=sfla1
What kind of philosophy, poetry, and history books were lost in the Qin purges? What were some schools of philosophy that competed in the ancient era but faded at the Qin era?
Well, many but we can only assume. Out of those 100 only very few remained.
For example, we only know very little of the mohists, a rationalist school of thought, or of the agriculturalists. Very often in relation to confucianism.
History, well, Sima Qian's records have been archeologically accurate even until the Shang, but literally most of his presumable reference works (written on bamboo too most likely) have been lost.
Poetry I don't know much, but probably more stuff like the Book of Songs.
All in all a tragic event though much of the material would've perished anyway.
I am struggling dabbling in Classical Chinese. How many definitions would you say a character has on average? It feels like 10 to me. This is very tedious but thankfully I am very interested in Chinese culture.
I'm interested in whatever we can wrest from Shu history. There are assuredly intriguing, strange tidbits to be found from a culture with mofo's who made art this fricking Metal.
Yeah classical chinese is pithy but very vague sometimes. Either extremely simple or lots of meanings. Idk, characters aren't the issue as much as the grammar and compounds. But probably like 5?
Ba Shu and Sanxingdui are really interesting but other than archaeology it's sad we can't find much out since the script is illegible.
All right 10 was definitely too high, I was doubling the sense due to compounds instead of individual characters. I looked at 20 individual characters and it averages to about 5. So you're right.
It's hard to quantify what constitutes one definition, because meanings of a character are often extended from one core meaning. Not to mention words may have a different meaning in a certain specialized context. Classical Chinese is a language you have to build intuition for.
Why was it developed like this? Other languages had more developed grammars.
Well, it still has a grammar, it's just based primarily on particles (prepositions and such) and juxtaposition rather than inflected forms- like English but more so. But 'Classical Chinese' is also an umbrella term for about the Zhou all the way to some time in the Han, and later authors imitating it drew on words and constructions from all those periods as well as occasionally borrowing (consciously or unconsciously) from their spoken vernacular.
God help me. So does English have guides for CC's dialectal differences? If not, what about written in Hanyu?
>So does English have guides for CC's dialectal differences?
Not that I know of; I'm not sure how well studied the particulars are. Often it was just explained in the commentary of that particular text, though there were a few lexicographical/dialectographical works like 方言.
>If not, what about written in Hanyu?
Sorry, my Mandarin's somewhat limited so I don't know much about that.
>Oh, so is the grammar simplified for written basically so that dialectal differences would be minimized in documents, to maximize general intelligibility?
No, more that there are works written in multiple different dialects and chronolects in the classical period and later writers drew from multiple of them (though Mencius was the biggest influence.)
>Were commentaries expanding on these terse documents standard practice, or were the unpackings mainly done in the oral culture?
I know there are commentaries going back pretty far.
By the way, I'm on a Discord server about this sort of thing with a bunch of people who know a lot more about this than I do, here's a link if you're interested: https://discord.gg/mGGEegBv
Thank you but I avoid discord and venturing beyond my regular sites in general
Alright. Well, if you're on reddit, r/classicalchinese is friendly if not the most active.
Oh, so is the grammar simplified for written basically so that dialectal differences would be minimized in documents, to maximize general intelligibility? I think I've heard that explanation before, but haven't investigated the range of explanations myself yet.
Were commentaries expanding on these terse documents standard practice, or were the unpackings mainly done in the oral culture?
And by reference works I mean pretty much anything regarding the individual kingdoms' histories except Qin. There's a reason wiki pages for early chinese history are so sparse, not only because of lack of interest. Sima Qian probably summarized lots of 1st hand sources in a couple sentences like "Qin won at Hangu pass against the coalition" but those went poof.
>the historia augusta exists
Post it.
We will find it in Villa of the Papyri
POST IT