>In the Archaic phase of ancient Greek art, the Orientalizing period or Orientalizing revolution (also spelled "Orientalising") is the cultural and art historical period that began during the later part of the 8th century BC, when there was a heavy influence from the more advanced art of the Eastern Mediterranean and the Ancient Near East. The main sources were Syria and Assyria as well as Phoenicia and Egypt.[1][2]
>The intense encounter during the orientalizing period also accompanied the invention of the Greek alphabet and the Carian alphabet, based on the earlier phonetic but unpronounceable Levantine writing, which caused a spectacular leap in literacy and literary production, as the oral traditions of the epic began to be transcribed onto imported Egyptian papyrus (and occasionally leather).
>haha yeah bro everyone in Greece just forgot how to write, build or do anything for 1000 years no we definitely aren't dating things wrong haha
for 400 years... but they did build a few small things, for example the Greek spring in Izmir, Izmir, a colony in North-West Anatolia, was founded around 900 or 1000 bc by the Aeolian Greeks, so during the Greek dark ages, but the fountain should be from around 700 bc
(keep in mind the second one was almost a millenia later)
soul vs soulless
Yeah and it's far better... your point?
>sissy ass straight hair beard is better than wiener akkadian curly beard
Why did the sissy asses conquered and raped the akadians then ?
no point
me on the left with a thousand years time gap
>everyone in Greece just forgot how to write
if you don't think that's true, explain why they adapted the Phoenician alphabet despite having another script in the bronze ages, and why archaic greeks didn't even remember having a script before that.
There are references to writing in the Odyssey, my darling.
irrelevant because Greeks had writing during Homer's time.
like what?
He's misremembering. The reference is in the Iliad, probably a later insertion, a story about where some messenger comes to Bellerophone bearing a tablet that tells the reader to kill the bearer.
Another possible reference to writing is when the greek heroes cast lots, each scratching their mark (semata) on a stone, then the lot is drawn and a herald goes around bearing the stone until the winner recognizes their mark he "wrote". Clearly that's not meant to be actual writing but merely symbols, otherwise everyone would have just written their name:
>The herald bore it about and showed it to all the chieftains of the Achaeans, going from left to right; but they none of of them owned it. When, however, in due course he reached the man who had written upon it and had put it into the helmet, brave Ajax held out his hand, and the herald gave him the lot. When Ajax saw him mark he knew it and was glad; he threw it to the ground and said, "My friends, the lot is mine, and I rejoice, for I shall vanquish Hector.
Greek script is an older Anatolian farmer script
Not sure if it borrowed from Phoenician but it's not based on it
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/11206284/#11206284
The interesting thing here is adaption of alphabet instead of linear b
And gaps aren't "forgot how to write". We have gaps from 7000bce to 4000bce. People knew how to write then
nice speculation bro
>comparing shapes is speculation
I mean, that's how to "greek comes from phoenician" story took off. The similarities between them already existed
Unless if there's proof of a west asian migration into greece I doubt they based theie alphabet entirely on phoenician
>Unless if there's proof of a west asian migration into greece I doubt they based theie alphabet entirely on phoenician
there is lots of proof of Phoenician trade and orientalizing influence. herodotus says that they got their alphabet from phoenicians
Why didn't you respond
I'm curious, why are the words for Greek letters Semitic in origin?
Why are MENA people so insecure?
We're just tired of people downplaying our contributions to western civilization
You stole our art, architecture, literature, laws, etc
>stole
Rescued would be more appropriate.
WE
>quoting Herodotus
He's probably right in this case, but he's far, far from reliable.
>Bet, Beth, Beh, or Vet is the second letter of the Semitic abjads, including Phoenician Bēt Phoenician beth.svg, Hebrew Bēt ב, Aramaic Bēth Beth.svg, Syriac Bēṯ ܒ, and Arabic Bāʾ ب. Its sound value is the voiced bilabial stop ⟨b⟩ or the voiced labiodental fricative ⟨v⟩.
>The letter's name means "house" in various Semitic languages (Arabic bayt, Akkadian bītu, bētu, Hebrew: bayiṯ, Phoenician bt etc.; ultimately all from Proto-Semitic *bayt-), and appears to derive from an Egyptian hieroglyph of a house by acrophony.
>The Phoenician letter gave rise to, among others, the Greek beta (Β, β), Latin B (B, b) and Cyrillic Be (Б, б) and Ve (B, в).
Greeks saw orientals as cowardly and low t.
Interestingly one tribe of Cypriots came from Ethiopia
>Such was their armour: the Cyprians furnished a hundred and fifty ships; for their equipment, their princes wore turbans wrapped round their heads; the people wore tunics, but in all else were like the Greeks. Their tribes are these:13 some are from Salamis and Athens, some from Arcadia, some from Cythnus, some from Phoenice, and some from Ethiopia, as the Cyprians themselves say.
Nice