New R-M269 individual 4606-4447 calBCE Smyadovo, Bulgaria
Neolithic farmer
Oldest R1b skellies
>Villabruna 1 (individual I9030), a Western Hunter-Gatherer (WHG), found in an Epigravettian culture setting in the Cismon valley (modern Veneto, Italy), who lived circa 14000 BP and belonged to R1b1a.[1][8]
>A Neolithic male buried at Els Trocs, Spain c. 7178-7066 BP, who may have belonged to the Epi-Cardial culture,[20] was found to be a carrier of R1b1.[21][22][23]
>An Early Copper Age male buried in Cannas di Sotto, Carbonia, Sardinia c. 6450 BP carried R1b1b2.[25]
>Neolithic farmers in Germany c. 5600 BP carried R1b1a.[26]
Reminder it was also found in neolithic middle east Ra’salhamrian culture
https://indo-european.eu/2021/01/r1b-in-eastern-arabia-late-neolithic-bronze-age/
This research too
>The phylogenetic relationships of numerous branches within the core Y-chromosome haplogroup R-M207 support a West Asian origin of haplogroup R1b
>These findings have led to the reappraisal that R1b-M269 in Europe is young and likely associated with a Neolithic demic expansion from the Near East through Anatolia.22, 23
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2010146
So next time you meet an Iberian better be nice because youre speaking to a real native to Europe
Now all R1b (V88 and M269) have been found in mesolithic and neolithic europeans
New paper
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm4247
I did not care for this paper. I just want some more ancient DNA from Finland or Estonia.
I absolutely love how autistic this board is about haplogroups
Take your meds schizo. M269 probably is mesolithic in origin from Ukraine but it has frick-all to do with any Iberian or Moroccan.
I mean it is common knowledge that R1b is the Basque haplogroup so it is not surprising.
Basques are a matrilineal people. It's passed down from the mother. They don't have any paternal haplogroups. EEF were pathetic cuckolds the lot of them. Just look at how sexually submissive French people are towards foreigners.
They had that in common with Bell Beakers who are also a race of slaves. Especially the British ones
>conquered by Celts in the early iron age
>conquered by Romans
>conquered by Anglo-Saxons
>conquered by Vikings
>conquered by Normans
>conquered by medieval French people
All while the servile Bell Beaker man lived on as a servant caste
R1b in Britain is also from Iberians so they have nothing to do with Iberian kings except being the spawn of rape from Iberians
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/celts-descended-from-spanish-fishermen-study-finds-416727.html
Being Neolithic farmers and living in 4600 BCE and not living in Anatolia.....so nothing jajajajaja
Yeah the Iberian and Italian beakers at least had some fight in them and were able to preserve their Italic languages
I know Italic probably came from Urnfield but still
What if the Italian BB from Broin were already proto-Italic? Celtic must have been born in central/western Urnfield but are you sure about Italic?
Italian beakers are too early for Italic imo but their yDNA is found in actual Italics so who knows
>conquered by
Bell Beakers took on the language and culture but retained indigenous Y DNA suggesting BBC literally cucked everyone who "invaded" them.
Also the recent paper on Anglo Saxons shows purely Anglo-Saxon Y DNA (not later Norse) is outnumbered by BBC Y DNA in areas which are autosomally Anglo Saxon.
>Bell Beakers took on the language and culture
wasn't their culture med farmer? they didn't change culture
Redpilled
It's still not Basque/Iberian though. Basque moronation aside how do we explain the M269 in EEFs? Does that mean the 'real' PIE (maybe R1a) assimilated EEF M269s?
EEF had frick all M269. That sample has steppe/EHG admix but it doesn't show as full Yamnaya because it's too early.
Target: BGR_Smyadovo_EBA
Distance: 1.7791% / 0.01779073
62.0 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi
25.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
9.0 BGR_N
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Target: BGR_Smyadovo_EBA:I2180
Distance: 2.8586% / 0.02858613
65.0 BGR_N
13.6 WHG
12.0 RUS_Samara_HG
9.4 GEO_CHG
Target: BGR_Smyadovo_EBA_contam:I2176
Distance: 3.4420% / 0.03441997
71.0 BGR_N
11.0 RUS_Samara_HG
10.0 WHG
8.0 GEO_CHG
I don't know which one is the M269 but it doesn't matter since they are the same.
I think this would imply that M269 entered Sredny Stog from a WHG-shifted but still EHG-carrying population. M269 males mixed with more CHG-rich Progress-related females to form Yamnaya.
Anyway, what's the odds of Anatolian coming from Smyadovo?
They seem like the best candidate honestly. 1/8 EHG can be dilluted into 1/80 easily in a densely populated place like Anatolia.
>What's the odds
same odds as anyone else introducing it from the balkans. Suggested, but literally zero proof
>M269 males mixed with more CHG-rich Progress-related females to form Yamnaya.
CHG in yamnaya is mostly male-mediated
Lazaridovich doesn't claim that M269 is from CHG though. He says it just got lucky due to a founder effect. It doesn't negate the origin of M269 in Ukraine at all.
>in Ukraine
It's probably from Russia.
If Smyadovo checks out...probably not. Western Ukraine seems more likely and it did even before Smyadovo.
Smyadovo might be a wrongly dated sample. Also, how the model looks like if you use Ukraine Mesolithic? Smyadovo has CHG, so it looks like there was Eastern (Progress) ancestry as Mesolithic Ukrainian samples did not have CHG or had very little of it.
CHG probably came through Anatolia as well so it would make sense to use a relevant source from there.
Ukraine is Russia
Is Baltic_LVA_HG Kunda or Narva?
I don't quite remember it so clearly but I think both Kunda and Narva were more WHG but later on EHG went up in Latvia to form Latvia HG. Latvia MN is even more EHG.
Yes but oldest R1b sample is still WHG not EEF
I don't get the Basque/Iberian nationalist obsession with trying to pin down the origin of M269. Even if M269 came from farmers from central europe or the balkans it still means Iberians are rape babbyz because all the neolithic Iberians were I2/G2/H. What is the endgame here?
Need I remind you
Oldest R1b skellies
>Villabruna 1 (individual I9030), a Western Hunter-Gatherer (WHG), found in an Epigravettian culture setting in the Cismon valley (modern Veneto, Italy), who lived circa 14000 BP and belonged to R1b1a.[1][8]
>A Neolithic male buried at Els Trocs, Spain c. 7178-7066 BP, who may have belonged to the Epi-Cardial culture,[20] was found to be a carrier of R1b1.[21][22][23]
>An Early Copper Age male buried in Cannas di Sotto, Carbonia, Sardinia c. 6450 BP carried R1b1b2.[25]
Do you see any Balkans there huh
You're a moron. R1b comes from Central Asia originally and Tarim mummies carried the most basal subclade.
Indo-European R1b comes from Ukraine. It has nothing to do with Balkans or even EEF.
Cope, you have already been debunked by the
New R-M269 individual 4606-4447 calBCE Smyadovo, Bulgaria
Neolithic farmer
Xactly Basques have the most R1b in the world because it's the place of origin for R1b
See
They were probably Hittites
Neolithic farmer Hittites from 4600 BCE
They weren't EEF though at least not on the paternal side. Their EEF mamas pussies were filled with steppe cum.
Then why they had WHG EEF haplogroup R1b?
R1b is found in both WHG and EHG but the origin is in Central Asia. Smyadovo had both WHG and EHG in equal proportions. Personally I don't care if M269 is from WHG or EHG but just stop associating with effeminate Mediberian pederasts.
Smyadovo had WHG and EHG in miniscule proportions and EEF in gargantuan proportions jajajajaja
Yes because EEF women were bawds for Big Steppe wiener everywhere, not just Bronze Age Iberia. I wouldn't call a quarter minuscule. That quarter allowed them to dominate most of Anatolia despite their shitty EEF genes holding them back.
So why the EEF empires like Rome and the Spanish empire and the Portugese did so much more than the rest? Your racism is unfounded and you have jealousy against Iberians and steppes have the smallest penises like Mongols fyi
You can seethe all you want but the matter of fact is some Bell Beaker fellows from Germany came down by the way of France and pumped your foremothers pussies so full of R1b cum that all local paternal lines were effectively exterminated. The story is the same in Italy except a small number of local men survived by hiding in the mountains.
You should be grateful for it instead of seething non-stop and making up idiotic fairy tales. Meds owe everything they have to the Proto-Indo-Europeans.
You can cope all you want but the matters of facts is that the oldest R1b skelly is from Italy and the oldest R-M269 skelly '''Indo European''' R1b is from a Neolithic farmer in Bulgaria and no one cares about some cavemen fighting in 4000 BCE how about you answer the question about empires because you probably have an irrelevant ethnicity even though you are on the history board but don't even know history kek
steppe-rich people from germany were r1a though? from corded ware
bell beakers replaced the r1a lineages
I didn't mention haplogroups though? an EHG-rich z2013 origin would require an almost pure CHG population on the steppe for thousands of years that then mixed once with the z2013 ehg population and absorbed it completely replacing its patrilineages in the process
OIT-tier fantasy
Most of the Bell Beakers from Germany were R1b
Bell beaker culture originates from southwest med and there aren't any r1a late corded ware, plus the r1b clade isn't found in CW or yamnaya for that matter. Bell beaker culture + corded ware origin (like in germany) = r1b replaced r1a
Could theoretically be tested by running X/Y test to see where the WHG came from, if it's male-mediated then this pretty much confirms it
Stop talking about things you know nothing about. The oldest Corded Ware sample from Central Europe is R1b-U106 and fully steppe.
>steppe-rich people from germany were r1a though? from corded ware
R1b-M269 is from Corded Ware in Europe. Early Czech and Western Corded Ware was R1b. R1a was a secondary pulse immediately after which didn't penetrate so far west.
>I didn't mention haplogroups though? an EHG-rich z2013 origin would require an almost pure CHG population on the steppe for thousands of years that then mixed once with the z2013 ehg population and absorbed it completely replacing its patrilineages in the process
What's your point exactly? Sredny Stog and Yamnaya were Ukraine Neo+Progress. We don't have to speculate anything else.
Maybe Progress was despite being also R1b more EHG on the X-chromosome for some reason. It doesn't matter.
>R1b-M269 is from Corded Ware in Europe
Any study proving this?
>Yamnaya were Ukraine Neo+Progress
They weren't, yamnaya carry anatolian+levantine and descend from an admixture event around 4400-4000bce
>Any study proving this?
No, it was literally just found in New R-M269 individual 4606-4447 calBCE Smyadovo, Bulgaria
Neolithic farmer
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm4247
interesting
I don't see any studies, did you forget how to copy and paste a link?
>No one has proven any of that it's just a distal model
it's a model that works while the Anatolia+WHG is rejected. mad your pet project didn't work out dumb Black person? seethe
Google it moron.
They didn't even attempt to model with Progress so it's meaningless. Progress has comparatively low WHG.
Does progress share increased drift with levantine farmers? if yes then sure
Possibly but there's an Anatolian farmer sample from Ukraine too so this kind of drift didn't necessarily come from Progress.
Target: UKR_N_o
Distance: 5.0546% / 0.05054581
99.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
0.2 WHG
>Anatolian
It's a PIE sample.
>It's a PIE sample.
what's its autosomal composition? Anatolia/EHG/CHG
I don't think Barcin carried levantine but I don't have the supplementals with me atm
One of the biggest "Mediterranean" copes is that Anatolian and Levantine are distinct. They are not the same but still related so Anatolian will increase shared drift with Levantine.
I was talking about harboring autosomal
>Anatolian and Levantine are distinct
why would overwhelmingly dzudzuana people be distinct? levant itself is like half anatolian
You got it wrong. Anatolia is half Levantine half WHG.
Anatolia is probably 0-2.5% WHG-related at best
Tell that to Lazaridis.
Tell that to Lazaridis
It isn't. Anatolia has continuity from dzudzuana as proven by the dzudzuana paper. Add a bit of baikal and you effectively solved it
arc paper found 0% admixture with whgs iirc
>arc paper found 0% admixture with whgs iirc
Makes sense, WHGs never lived in Greece and even today many Greeks have 0% of it, only exceptions being those with Slavic ancestry in the northern parts
Also is progress half west asian? because yamnaya were
>Any study proving this?
Yes look up PNL001 from Czechia.
>They weren't, yamnaya carry anatolian+levantine and descend from an admixture event around 4400-4000bce
Stop babbling. No one has proven any of that it's just a distal model. You don't need exotic ancestry.
probably a population stretching from West Europe to East Siberia similar to Slavic distribution today given how pre-ANE was already admixed with WHG like individuals and how the most basal clades of R1b stretch from West Europe to East Siberia.
V88 and PH155
No, ANE came to Europe after LGM.
WHG isn't contemporary with Yana. The people who lived back then in Europe were not WHG.
>ANE came after LGM
not really.
They were always sort of there.
>WHG wasnt contemporary with Yana
???
I said WHG like individuals, not WHG.
ANE and WHG share 80% of their ancestry 30kya.
>were not WHG
they were proto-WHGs.
>ANE and WHG share 80% of their ancestry 30kya.
Interesting. Source?
They don't. He's making it up.
>always sort of there
If that was the case the WHG-ANE cline would exist already in Gravettians or even in Aurignacians.
>They were probably Hittites
What was hittite about their culture?
I don't get the obsession over haplogroups either, what's the point of being proud if you are R1a if half of your autosomal is Bantu for example?
Because you're not as Black persony and you have great origins.
>and you have great origins.
a surname wouldn't change autosomal, which is origins
r1b congolese aren't whgs
>what's the point of being proud if you are R1a if half of your autosomal is Bantu for example?
nothing, because that makes you a slavic stepeBlack person. if you're R1b you're white regardless of what autosomal dna you have, and obversely anything other than R1b is not white.
Peak R1b is Spanish, Italian and Cameroonian so can't be white
>Peak R1b
the concept of peak Y dna makes no sense. You either have it or no, just like a soul in general - men have it while women do not (they do not possess shards of divinity in the form of Y chromosomes)
That's where R1b peaks you dumb ass serf
No, it doesn't moron.
Literally peaks in Basque county at 94% or something like that
Basques aren't Spanish, moron. Spain, Portugal, Cameroon, and Italy are scarcely 50% R1b.
Spain is 90% R1b
Italy is more than 70% R1b
Spain is less R1b than England
Spain is 20% E1b1b, 10% J1, 10% I2, and 10% other. They are less than 50% R1b.
Italy is 25% J2, 20% E1b1b, and 10% other. They are less than 50% R1b.
Cameroon is 90% E.
Cameroon is 90 R1b.
Spain actually has a lot of E especially in the south
>That N at funland and baltics
always cracks me up
how did balts become cucks?
Why do you morons always talk like 12 year olds? Proto-Finnics moving into the Baltic doesn't make Balts cucks you childish morons
cuck cope
how did proto-finnic macaques manage to cheat the Baltic men out of their women hm?
They probably weren't speaking Finnic by the time N started becoming common in Balts. Learn how founder effects work.
Baltic bronze age in Estonia Latvia Lithuania was 100% R1a so N1 must have arrived pretty late
jfc did baltic women do nothing but spread their legs for invaders
Finns probably had some more advanced metallurgy which allowed them to become elites. There was no language shift in Latvia and Lithuania so they kept their Baltic Indo-European culture and Baltic N is just a founder effect from some powerful man.
>There was no language shift in Latvia and Lithuania so they kept their Baltic Indo-European culture
language is one of the least important parts of culture. proof: all the IE-speaking farmer societies
Regardless of that they still kept their culture and the Baltic N was just a founder effect. He may have started out speaking Finnic but became a lord or some such in the Baltic iron age plus language is tied to culture and identity.
It looks so
There's a Swedish guy on Anthrogenica who says N in Balts went first into Sweden and then into Latvia/Lithuania
He bases this on subclade diversity
Modern subclade diversity can be deceiving but Baltic N can have originated from some part of Finland or even Sweden I guess
That unironically makes sense when you look at Nord rape patterns
I think they went from Kra001-like to mixing with Indo-Iranians and becoming steppe like and then mixing with Balts to become something in the middle. Seima-Turbino weapons made them kings of the Balts. Then Finns got some Germanic admixture in the iron age, mostly in west Finland. R8 my theory
BMAC should never have taught them metallurgy.
I'm Welsh and have E for some reason
>for some reason
>E is african
Should we tell Tyrone or let him find out on his own?
E is african
E is Eurasian. Its sibling is D, most common in Tibet and Japan, and found rarely in the Caucasus Mountains.
Native African lines are A and B, they are the only two haplotypes indigenous to Africa, and they are almost exclusive to Pygmies and Nilotes.
E Y DNA is a result of Eurasian males, Jomon-Iranian looking individuals having sex with little pygmy women to create the West African E bearing race, aka the Black.
everytime tyrone has sex, he's ensuring an asiatic man passes on his seed.
The buck has been broken.
You could say the same about the proto-pajeet grandfathers of whites.
E is originated in the horn of africa and was widespread to the north of it by BBC bvlls breeding and impregnating basal eurasian women with their BBCs just like afroasiatic languages
Albanians tend to have E, does that mean we are shitskins? Ah well, we’ve polluted Europe for thousands of years so frick whitey.
Cope. There is not one single ancient E sample from there.
God that is based
It seems most common in Ireland. Literally alabaster whitoids.
For me any ancient DNA that isn't related to me is boring. Especially the Indo-Anatolian-Armenian or whatever old stuff.
>Lazaridis bad because he's a scientist and I'm not
His seething makes sense when you realize that you thought he's as much as an authority as actual geneticists, and in fact he's smarter in his mind
Remember when he said
>I'm done trying to help these people
Black person, literally who? ahahahahahahaha even Patterson who was the only one to ever pay some attention to him supports the Southern Arc thesis. Wesolowski is a middle aged australian dude from poland (grew up in aus) and probably morbidly obese from his writing style. Most of the people in the comments are smarter than him
Most of the people in the comments don't know anything and he probably only keeps them around so he can feel smart next to those idiots
that he thought*
he's frequently losing arguments to people in his comments. Mentally ill anthrogenica morons are more knowledgable than him
His whole persona is centered around trying to find some past glory for 'his' people because his homeland of Poland spent all of recorded history as the b***h of her neighbors
It would make sense if he focused on actual poles, but what he's doing is saying
>X is native from eastern europe (despite originating in west asia or siberia)
>I am native to eastern europe (but not the sample place)
>therefore X=me
wewuzkangs afrocentrist tier schizophrenia
And just like kangs he has to live off gibs in a country developed by better people.
Your ancestor was a Roman Illyrian Man. RAM.
Target: RUS_Progress_En
Distance: 4.9341% / 0.04934114
44.0 GEO_CHG
41.6 RUS_Samara_HG
13.6 RUS_AfontovaGora3
0.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
Target: Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Distance: 3.5803% / 0.03580260
81.0 RUS_Progress_En
8.8 RUS_Samara_HG
5.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
4.8 WHG
The Lazaridovich model didn't account for the fact that Progress is WHG-poor and ANE-rich.
what stage of grief is this? smells like denial
>DEY WUZ LEVANTINES AND SHIIIT
Get a fricking grip man. Not even Georgians are all that Levantine. The northern ones not at all. It makes no sense for that kind of ancestry to teleport there and also be invisible in models.
it isn't invisible in models though
>Achmed and Abdul brought IE to R1basques
What a time to be alive.
Like I said, they don't account for the specific ancestry of Progress which is richer in ANE.
When you blend together it and western elements(including cuck EEF) from Ukraine you get something that superficially looks Levantine.
>you get something that superficially looks Levantine.
distal models would disprove this though
Distal models themselves are the problem. They should model with Progress and nearby samples from Ukraine. They can add all that Middle Eastern shit too but it won't be picked up.
>Distal models themselves are the problem
why?
>They should model with Progress and nearby samples from Ukraine
this wasn't their purpose though?
>They can add all that Middle Eastern shit too but it won't be picked up
which means that a distal model needs to be used because a proximal one is a statistical illusion
Distal is synonymous with inaccurate. Proximal is synonymous with accurate.
They are crafting a custom narrative, the goal of which is to "BTFO Europeans" and prove Greeks/Levantines/Georgians are the original IE.
It is all so tiresome. It's just as bad as claiming ancient Egypt was Nordic.
>Distal is synonymous with inaccurate. Proximal is synonymous with accurate.
source? especially when the distal that would confirm eef in yamnaya is rejected
>"BTFO Europeans"
how can they "BTFO" 45% steppe 45% eef 10% whg people with 99% of the population not giving a frick about it?
>and prove Greeks/Levantines/Georgians are the original IE
and?
>It is all so tiresome.
why?
>It's just as bad as claiming ancient Egypt was Nordic.
or that yamnaya were nordic or that modern cultures in europe are steppe/indo-european
You don't want to understand the technical issues involved for ideological reasons.
>Progress has extra ANE and low WHG
>Progress blanda ups with additional EHG and EEF which contain WHG
>Sredny Stog/Yamnaya look like a mixture of EHG and Levantine when modeled with an EHG source because the lack of WHG in Progress
>no argument to support his schizophrenia
lol ok
>Progress blanda ups with additional EHG and EEF which contain WHG
source?
>Sredny Stog/Yamnaya look like a mixture of EHG and Levantine when modeled with an EHG source because the lack of WHG in Progress
there have been no studies on sredny stog and statistically looking like they have natufian (for what reason? they'd just look like more barcin) doesn't magically make them share drift with actual levantine farmers
You've already made up your mind that PIE is from Lebanon. There's no point wasting time with you.
I don't see you providing any proofs, but only looking for copes to use as an excuse to escape
idgaf about lebanon either, PIE doesn't affect me. my language came from catacomb or anatolia, don't care
There are multiple Cucuteni-Trypillia samples with steppe ancestry, but they are all G2a or I2. It's obvious that mixing with steppe-like people took place in neolithic/chalcolithic.
Smyadovo is irrelevant. It's not the kind of people that brought M269 to Central Europe.
Some guys on anthrogenica push for this more Western origin of PIE and R1b-M269 despite all evidence. It's Progress-like CHG-heavy groups that expanded and mixed with everyone, not Mesolithic/Neolithic Ukrainians.
Progress were the Circassian mail order brides of the 5th millenium BC:
Etruscans were like 90% R1b
And they had steppe admix
And WHG/EEF/CHG admix
Point is?
EEF were addicted to steppe cum
>Med women lust after Nordic men
many such cases
Weren't ANE 80% West Eurasian Gravettian or Aurignacian from Europe and 20% East Eurasian from whichever pop brought the K2b and P haplogroup?
It's not Gravettian or Aurignacian. It's something that split early on from the Common West Eurasian.
Here's somethig new.
Yana as a sister clade to Caucasus UP, but both groups received additional ancestry from a distant source (Yana from East Eurasians - here as Jomon Japan and Caucasus UP from basal Eurasians.
This is from Population Genomics of Stone Age Eurasia.
Caucasus UP is not CHG.
WHG is closer to dzudzuana than ANE. It would seem that dzudzuana/ane/whg/gravettians/aurignancians all come from some previous population located somewhere in west asia that reached europe and siberia separately
>all come from some previous population
The original IJK homies
so were IEs relevant in anything substantial?
No
Actual Europeans according to the mythos.
>actual europeans were CHG from westi asia + EHG which was mostly from siberia + Levant from the Levant + Anatolian from West Asia
interesting
>EEF were pathetic cuckolds the lot of them
that's a very weird way to talk about half of your ancestors. Screams cuck fantasy from a mile away
UHM EVROPEAN SISTERS... WERE WE CONQUERED BY THE BASQUES?????
Yes.
No. This schizo won't acknowledge that the sample in question is of steppoid stock.
Reminder that R1b is A K descended haplogroup from east eurasian men and if your Y haplo is K in origin it means your language too as your mother was dicked one way or another by K2BVLLS
K isn't from east Eurasians you dumb asiatic. Most Aurignacians were K along with C and IJ among others.
Aurignacians have east evrasian introgression
R is by definition a East eurasian haplogroup associated with ANE and other east eurasian basal populations.
Realistically west eurasian women are built for BBC of diverse kinds (whg, Ane, Taforalt)
>Vasconic
literally impossible. where is this supposed wave of basque rapings after indo-europoors were already in place? where does it show up in the historical or archaeological record? why isn't everyone west of the rhine speaking a vasconic language?
How come ANF are such a weak race sisters? It tuens out not only they were E bred by Taforalt Black folk
They were also R and I bred by WHG Black folk then R Breed by yamnayoids.
swarming/zerging method. If you want to conquer someone just mix with them while being numerically superior
Same thing happening right now in europe/america
ANF itself was fathered by some G2a Iran_N man and hordes of AHG/WHG women.
North spaniard is the same except with more iran/chg and less whg
cba to post it
probably has to do with iberians and the iberians who mixed with romans