>no written records
>no physical remains beyond a handful of houses made of rocks
>no cultural and adminstrative body left to their descendants
Really begs the question...did the inca empire ever really exist?
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The Inca Empire was invented by the Catholic church to justify the civilization of decentralized indigenous tribes in the middle of nowhere. They had to "convince" the crown that Europe had a duty to save indigenous people from a montrous empire that sacrifices its own people to a death god. They did the same with the Roman Empire. There never was a Roman empire either, it's just a boogeyman by the Church. Whenever the Catholic church talks about "evil pagan empires in need of Christianization", they're playing dirty mind tricks on you to justify conversion and / or acceptance of the status quo. They even hyped up the vikings to me gigantic, bearded white men who worship demons. But that's not true. Just like the Incans, the Scandinavians were rural, decentralized farmers minding their own business. And they didn't pirate more than other people. White nationalists worldwide have accepted the narratives of the Catholic church and internalized them. But because it's all made up, the now LGBT friendly church combats it's own naratives. So it turns out there never was an Incan empire, just a bunch of LGBT friendly, sun gods worshipping tribes. There never was a roman empire, just a bunch of LGBt friendly, decentralized italian tribes who didn't even speak the same language. There never were vikings, just a bunch of LGBT friendly scandinavians who liked to raid coastal regions together with black people, muslims and slavs, who were their bros.
Source: Trust me
Archeology proves they did practise human sacrifice
>it turns out there never was an Incan empire, just a bunch of LGBT friendly, sun gods worshipping tribes. There never was a roman empire, just a bunch of LGBt friendly, decentralized italian tribes who didn't even speak the same language. There never were vikings, just a bunch of LGBT friendly scandinavians who liked to raid coastal regions together with black people, muslims and slavs, who were their bros.
the catholic church isnt doing this. nobody would listen to them if they were.
Schizos think their favourite enemy faction is all powerful
I added "Source: Trust me" to indicate I was joking. Man.
it was a pretty shitty bait/troll
you can do better than that
>There never was a Roman empire either, it's just a boogeyman by the Church
I hate what you're saying, but I also believe it
They were also black btw
Indians unlike europeans created civilizations of their own, incans left a lot of remains.
Really? A bunch of piled up rocks on a mountain peak is "civilisation"? The background is more beautiful than the actual structures.
Just reminding amerindians developed their own civilizations, religions and domesticated their own animals and plants, yts have balls to say something despite they never domesticated any plant or animal and neither built a civilization (just a derivation of middle-eastern cultures).
Woah there, due, you're just gonna ignore my mini essay and continue to pretend that there actually was some sort of Andean "civilisation"? If a bunch of stone huts are civilisation, then everything is, including european stone age structures, who were bigger and more impressive than any other structure at the time. just look at Stonehenge. Furthermore, what do you mean, Euros didn't have their own religion? of course they did, and so was everyone else, even at a primitive level. Third, Europeans domesticated animals like the Ox and the grouse. Stop being apawn to the Catholic overlords. There is no glorious indian past, it was all made up by the catholic church to have an excuse to invade and convert people. Just like ancient North Europeans btw. We're in the same boat, so to speak.
Putting aside that most of the modern hisnaic Peru was built over incan cities and buildings (many edifices still have pre-spanish cyclopean stones) there are a lot of ruins and records from incan culture, specially by Pizarro and other conquerors and priests who went with him.
Again, whites never domesticated anything, the OX is a bull (domesticated by Middle-Easterners) without balls.
Btw considering America was the last continent on being settle bu humans (circa 20.000 BC while Europe had inhabitants since the times of homosexual Erectus), the fact indians developed their own neolithic and stable civilizations with their own flavour while euros never did it (middle-easterners were the ones on bringing first neolithic and later civilization) just make that achievement more unique.
Aside of incans there were more urban cultures in the area as the Moche, with more impressive artistic manifestations and monuments, incans stood out for creating a massive centralized empire with peak infrastructures (roads, bridges, aqueducts, etc) that still were used by spaniards centuries later.
That's just a picture of a narrow alleyway and an old woman dude.
>centralized empire with peak infrastructures (roads, bridges, aqueducts, etc)
Lmao
This is more of a ceremonial thing, to reinforce social cohesion among the locals.
>Btw considering America was the last continent on being settle bu humans (circa 20.000 BC
wrong
"handful of houses made of rocks"
have you been to peru buddy? Inca ruins are everywhere you look
go to the mountains, look at the abandoned terrace farms, roads, qolqas, or look at archaeological finds such as quipus - which are the written records that the spanish tried to so hard to erase
Post a picture of one impressive pre-colombian Amerindian building. One that rivals the pyramids, the pantheon or German castles. Just one.
out of any precolombian amerindians? Teotihuacan, tenochtitlan, cholula, tikal, cusco, machu picchu, chichen itza, el mirador, tiwanaku, chan chan, uxmal, tulla... there is a long list. But why do they have to compare to german castles anyway? What does that have to do with anything?
By default all european civilization is a copy paste of middle-eastern civilization, there is nothing they haven´t copied from their neighbours from desert.
You know the pyramids of Gizah are like 7 times taller, right? Is that it? The pinnacle of Amerindian civilisation is piled up rocks.. with stairs? Come on man.
pyramid of cholula is larger by volume than the pyramids of giza.
>build a fat, short pyramid, fatter than any other
It's not much, but it's something, I guess.
You might not be blown away but you must recognise that the achievement is within an order of magnitude and past that mark its basically a matter of personal evaluation which is more impressive, yes?
>You know the pyramids of Gizah are like 7 times taller, right?
Who cares? It's not like middle-easterners are the ones comparing their ancient cultures with our ancient cultures.
>The pinnacle of Amerindian civilisation is piled up rocks.. with stairs?
At least they had a civilization, Europe around 2022 AD still a derivation from Semitic cultures, never built a civilization of its own.
I won't contest that, but... mate, you must admit that staying on that level for 3000 years is kinda pathetic. The pyramid of Yucatan was built in the 11th century or so. Central and Northern Europeans have built gigantic churches and castles by then.
crazy what happens when you have 3 continents worth of trade and technological development as opposed to one
there was simply a larger population and wider spread of people in the old world, it makes sense they'd developp things like steel before the americas - not to mention having beasts of burden and surface metals
>crazy what happens when you have 3 continents worth of trade and technological development as opposed to one
And even with that europeans still made a flat boring architecture compared to central asians, who never had a sedentary tradition at all.
Really dude? You're posting the Sher dor madrasah? It was built in the 17th century. People built Versailles by then.
(Sorry for spelling error),
Little ignorant moron.
Imagine copying semites and yet doing horrid looking monuments as cathedrals, central asians, chinese, hindus and middle-easterners at the time were doing better monuments, the pyramids of the sun are btw much more impressive in any sense and were built by neolithic tier societies.
I see the argument you are making.
It is like Calculus. Many can learn it through a school but few can actually come with it alone.
In this topic, If left to their own devices, it is doutbful that they would more advanced than other isolated cultures
apart from the great Basque civilisation that lead to the creation of Sumeria
In truth the modern """europeans"""" are merely barbarians invaders, I agree
>apart from the great Basque civilisation that lead to the creation of Sumeria
wait. what?
Basque Nation ancestors (Jentilak) were being invaded by the indo europeans, and therefore started to try to find a place to flee, they made contact with a small civilisation in the middle east, it was Early Sumer, Sumer adapted parts of their ancestral language, that we can still see today in basque.
Semites and Indoeuropeans ended the only interesitng culture in West Eurasia.
interesting
could it be the other way?
or maybe both of them had common ancestry?
I don't understand how the frick anybody with even a single braincell can post this shit in good faith.
How the fricking shit do you define what makes a figure, event or an accomplishment "significant", and how the hell do you even define what counts as a singfe event or a single accomplishment rather then many? How do you account for the limited amount of surviving records from areas like Mesoamerica or the Andes?
What's the actual dataset here, or the methodology?
It's impossible the figures here aren't completely pulled out of their ass, or at best, has severe issues of selection bias to the point of it being useless.
Not them but see
. Quipu could record qualitative information, not just numerical records: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23931972-600-we-thought-the-incas-couldnt-write-these-knots-change-everything/
>in good faith.
bruh
imagine saying "good-faith" outside of a destiny stream
I almost said "genuinely" but I felt it was awkward there and "good faith" worked better in the context of sentence.
I don't know why you're getting worked up over my specific word choice
moronic anons like to nitpick word choices so they can move away from the debate. And it's not even wrong words, just words they don't like it for sake of being childish contrariangays. You are right regardless of how you write it.
because anon, they're NEVER posting in good faith
>I don't understand how the frick anybody with even a single braincell can post this shit in good faith.
because they don't post in good faith mezoanon
they didn't come here to discuss or learn, just shitpost
Stop goal post moving
>German castles
Lol you mean those 19th century Disney looking LARP mansions?
There are pretty impressive castles dating back a millennium before. Gothic architecture is literally named after Germanic Goths you uneducated boob.
Post them kang
>germanic goths
LOl you moronic manchild, gothic archtiecture is from the 12th century onward, nothing to do with Goths KANG
there was no history before X century
t. Fomenko
You're being intellectually dishonest. The Pyramid of the Sun, La Danta, Tonina acropolis, and the Aztec Templo Mayor (top middle in pic related) are all around half the height of the Giza Pyramid, not many times smaller, and all acrually have complex geometry and furnishings with relifs, sculptures, paint, etc in their heyday, wheras Giza is just a flat palin surface.
Tenochtitlan and other large Mesoamerican cities also had large palace compounds with hundreds of rooms, painted frescos, plumbing systes, etc. Tenochtitlan as a whole un it also had venice like canals; while Teotihuacan had an massive planned urban grid covering 22+ square kilometers with basically the entire populace living in palaces; the Ciudadela compound around the Feathered Serpent pyramid being able to be ritually flooded like the roman coliseum, etc. Tikal also had a gigantic series of reservoirs (capable of holding miliions of galleons + with filitration systems), drainage and plumbing systems, channels with switching mechanisms throughout the city center, etc.
Texcotzinco was large hill with royal gardens and a retreat for royalty from the Aztec city of Texcoco: It sourced water from a spring 5 miles away, the water traveling by way of aqueduct which was raised at some points 150 feet off the ground and then flowed into a series of pools and basins to control it's flow rate. From there, traveling then across an aquaduct over a large gorge to where it flowed in a circular channel around the hill's peak, through a series shrines, aesthetical displays, pools, etc, before finally falling down via artificial waterfalls to water the gardens at the hills base, which had different sections to mimmick different natural biomes.
I could go on
shit, wrong image
>A bunch of piled up rocks
What the frick are you talking about, there's an entire palace/city right there in the picture
9.
all mineral structures can e reduced to "lol, a pile of rocks". The fact that you guys are not calling him out is amazing.
>Basque Nation ancestors (Jentilak) were being invaded by the indo europeans, and therefore started to try to find a place to flee
that may useful for some interesting stuff.
Could you provide your model of their myths?
Oh, i'm sorry for being polemic on IQfy, anon. I don't find those ruins that impressive though. Without any prior knowledge, what are we even looking at? Stone houses with small windows on a mountain slope? Oh wow, so impressive.
>really? A bunch of sticks and stones to make a house for an imaginary God who is everywhere anyway is European "civilization"? Does their God need a separate place for his priests to rape children?
>it's not even nearly as tall as our smallest ziggurat. What paltry attempts at masonry, their stones are cut uniformly and they still don't fit together properly without mortar.
>and upon the lowlands, begging to be invaded by raiders
>I see no civilization in Europe, only savagery
Sword cuts both ways anon
Most have been rebuilt
Those aren't Incan. They're dated well before.
>Built in the classical Inca style, most like in the last third of the 15th century, the height of the Inca Empire
panchito, europeans reached the bronze age in the actual bronze age and did so independently of everyone else
(You) could not even get out of the mesolithic
>no physical remains beyond a handful of houses made of rocks
What about the road and warehouse system that just so happens to run through what is generally considered to be the Inca empire
remnants of old Amazon network
They didn't write. They weave
> another euro-centrictard thread
State of /misc/his
Well, they compare themselves to neolithic societies and yet find troubles to surprass them, KEK
>no physical remains
>a dead person
Wow you sure proved to that chudcel that there was a technologically advanced, centralised empire.
Is this guy a new resident schizo?
The funny thing it's that it's not even genuine. It's pretty clear that the guy began to make these posts with the sole intent of becoming a recognizable schizo, he's not even genuine like most others we had, just a troll
Que tal concha xD
A ver, yo onions peruano, he nacido y crecido aquí, la simbología Inca está presente en nuestro país, desde los colegios hasta los símbolos patrios, todo está bien documentado, archivos y escritos por doquier y viene un gringo loco a decir que los Incas no existen? Venga ya hombre
A mala hora Reagan cerró los asilos mentales.
In burger:
Holy schizos xD
Let's see, I am Peruvian, I was born and raised here, the Inca symbology is present in our country, from schools to national themes, everything is well documented, archives and writings everywhere and a crazy gringo comes to say that the Incas don't exist? Come on.
Reagan shouldn't have never closed the mental asylums.
>A mala hora Reagan cerró los asilos mentales.
>has no written records
they had quipu, picrel
>no physical remains beyond a handful of houses made of rocks
Maccu Picchu alone has amazing stonework, actually better than what europeans could accomplish
>no cultural and administrative body left to their descendants
They literally had a framework almost identical to europeans, with the Inca Sapa (Emperor or king, depending on how you look at it) with magistrates and religious officials administering smaller chunks of the realm who report to the Inca Sapa, similar to how Kingdom>Duchy>County>Barony/Lordship worked in Europe. Unless you mean why they didn't stick around, which is probably due to massive disease unknowingly brought over by the European explorers.
Didn't the Spanish destroy all their records?
Sudacas never invented writing
>Spanish conquistadors constantly wrote about how beautiful and well-designed Aztec and Inca cities were, explicitly noting that even the greatest cities of Europe barely compared
>500 years later right wing morons who would worship the ground Cortes walked on suddenly pretend that he's wrong about exactly that one thing
>no physical remains beyond a handful of houses made of rocks
There's is a shit ton of huacas everywhere and I live in a fairly populated city.
Not an empire on the western sense of the word
But it was indeed a civilization. In fact the second oldest behind mesopotamia.
Greetings to my peruvian brothers
>3500 A.C.
What?
Fake
Caral-Supe (also known as Caral and Norte Chico) was a complex pre-Columbian-era society that included as many as thirty major population centers in what is now the Caral region of north-central coastal Peru. The civilization flourished between the fourth and second millennia BC, with the formation of the first city generally dated to around 3500 BC, at Huaricanga, in the Fortaleza area.
Peru is the second oldest civilization just behind Mesopotamia
That’s not the structure from your picture you lying kang
coping this hard
Paco, most importantly, when are you going to reach adulthood and leave your mom's basement?