He's a moron who was pushing for reform too quickly. The USSR should not have been destroyed. They should've let the Baltics, Caucases, and Moldova go. Maybe the Central Asians if they really wanted it. And slowly reformed the government. Instead of letting everything collapse and allowing there to be a gansgster mafia paradise for 10 years (which it still is, but to a lesser extent).
>The USSR should not have been destroyed. They should've let the Baltics, Caucases, and Moldova go.
Those are 3 critically strategic regions a Russian power should have tried to keep.
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Now that the dust has settled, why did he do it?
>Now that the dust has settled, why did he do it?
Probably tired of living in hell
>Those are 3 critically strategic regions a Russian power should have tried to keep
People in the Baltics were going to leave anyways without military intervention since they hated the USSR and viewed it as an occupying power. Georgia had enough. Maybe Armenia and Azerbaijan would've stayed. Moldova is not important.
I think laying off the Civ VI and high fructose corn syrup would do you a lot of good
>People in the Baltics were going to leave anyways without military intervention since they hated the USSR and viewed it as an occupying power. Georgia had enough. Maybe Armenia and Azerbaijan would've stayed. Moldova is not important.
Then he should have sent the tanks in lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah risk putting down a violent rebellion using force during a time where the government was promising people that they were going to ease up on the whole totalitarianism thing. That definitely would not have made people extremely mad.
>Moldova is not important.
I totally missed this lel. Absolute brainlet take look at a topographical map of Europe
They have access to the balkans through Ukraine if that's what you're referring to
2 years ago
Anonymous
>They have access to the balkans through Ukraine if that's what you're referring to
how is that working out right now
2 years ago
Anonymous
What the frick are you on about, we're talking about the USSR
>Socialism doesn't work so a union of 'socialist republics' was always doomed to destruction.
Of course it doesnt work when the power of the entire modern roman emprie, us, western (i.e., relevant) europe and japan are against it
Had the US turned communist instead of the impoverished shithole ruined by 2 world wars that was russia, we would have had the luxury space communism by now
It was less normies getting upity and more capitalist opportunists being able to out maneuver the reformists in media propaganda. Said propaganda being the output of the newly privatized media conglomerates that Gorby purposefully allowed the West to influence. Because he was a moron who took liberalism at face value. It also helped that the capitalists were able to plug into petty ethnonationalism with ease. Yelstin's rise to power and prominence was basically him just going on camera and then drunkenly swearing about how the other SSRs were freeloaders and that Russia was STRONK.
what's he think of what putin is doing
Who cares? The man has no power base. The communists, liberals, nationalists, and centrists all ever hate him or laugh at him. He's Soviet Jeb!
He understood that the USSR needed to transition to a market economy to compete on the global stage, but had no idea what made capitalism work, so like a genuine moron he just cut state industries loose instead of maybe just allowing private industry to develop organically like what happened in China.
He really invented a system with all the flaws of communism and capitalism combined and when he (rightfully) started to lose power he decided he would rather take the whole union down with himself than resign.
>maybe i should risk imploding my moderately prosperous second world country just incase we could possibly be as wealthy as the west >Oh no now we are third world and run by oligarch mafia how could I have foreseen this >you mean there are other factors for why those imperialist western states built on colonialism and slavery are wealthy besides theor exonomic system >And now they are using the free market to plunder my people who prospered under protectionism and make us a third world rump stat that will never recover and nato will be building bases in ukraine in 30 years?
Dude just had double digit IQ amd knew nothing about hisotry or exonomics. it actually is a shortcoming of the soviet system for letting this inbred moron into power to be honest. I'm surprised this guy wasn't strung up on a lamp post in the 90s
Oh wait.... >We have carcinogenic mcdonalds beef now we are so prppsperous i can't wait to be poisoned all all the profits to go overseas
Oh right opiates of the masses.
>>We have carcinogenic mcdonalds beef
Not anymore. Congrats to modern Russia for being a Pakistan tier pariah state but without any of the Soviet industry to back it up
>USSR >prosperous
Stop being moronic. Socialism doesn't work. The USSR is gone. Get a job.
The USSR had higher employment rates than almost any country on earth lmao. And I work blue collar, my dick is harder than your job, trust fund kiddie.
>The USSR had higher employment rates
Actually, no , the USSR had tons of accounting fraud and faked their employment numbers. Only morons believe any statistic evidence that came out their institutions. They just lied about the amount of people employed. No one cares, commie. The USSR is gone, and seething here about it won't bring it back.
I don't care about socialism I just care about peace and happiness in Europe, which is only possible when Russian autism is countered by its connection to it's European neighbors.
Ideally I would like to see Putin hanged and Russia brought into the EU.
>destroy your economy for carcinogenic pizza hut salami that will poison your people will funneling the money into america's 1% because protectionism and bad wrong, having a functional industry and economy is less important than the top 1% of capitalist investors having freedom to do whatevr they want (while the average poorgay starves)
That referendum was fraudulent though, and would have dissolved the USSR either way. That would have just changed it into a confederation of independent states - kinda like Russia today.
He's a moron who was pushing for reform too quickly. The USSR should not have been destroyed. They should've let the Baltics, Caucases, and Moldova go. Maybe the Central Asians if they really wanted it. And slowly reformed the government. Instead of letting everything collapse and allowing there to be a gansgster mafia paradise for 10 years (which it still is, but to a lesser extent).
>The USSR should not have been destroyed. They should've let the Baltics, Caucases, and Moldova go.
Those are 3 critically strategic regions a Russian power should have tried to keep.
>Now that the dust has settled, why did he do it?
Probably tired of living in hell
>Those are 3 critically strategic regions a Russian power should have tried to keep
People in the Baltics were going to leave anyways without military intervention since they hated the USSR and viewed it as an occupying power. Georgia had enough. Maybe Armenia and Azerbaijan would've stayed. Moldova is not important.
Seethe.
yeah sorry for thinking you're a fat kid man you win le cope seethe ywnbaw dilate le what are you on about mate
>People in the Baltics were going to leave anyways without military intervention since they hated the USSR and viewed it as an occupying power. Georgia had enough. Maybe Armenia and Azerbaijan would've stayed. Moldova is not important.
Then he should have sent the tanks in lmao
Yeah risk putting down a violent rebellion using force during a time where the government was promising people that they were going to ease up on the whole totalitarianism thing. That definitely would not have made people extremely mad.
They have access to the balkans through Ukraine if that's what you're referring to
>They have access to the balkans through Ukraine if that's what you're referring to
how is that working out right now
What the frick are you on about, we're talking about the USSR
>Moldova is not important.
I totally missed this lel. Absolute brainlet take look at a topographical map of Europe
are you trying to imply that the carpathians go through soviet moldova?
"Moldova" wouldn't exist if it was allowed to go in this scenario so your point is moot. they would lose access regardless in 89
I think laying off the Civ VI and high fructose corn syrup would do you a lot of good
>The USSR should not have been destroyed.
Socialism doesn't work so a union of 'socialist republics' was always doomed to destruction.
>Socialism doesn't work so a union of 'socialist republics' was always doomed to destruction.
Of course it doesnt work when the power of the entire modern roman emprie, us, western (i.e., relevant) europe and japan are against it
Had the US turned communist instead of the impoverished shithole ruined by 2 world wars that was russia, we would have had the luxury space communism by now
homosexual
Lol, you're such a bum. Just get a job. Stop sitting on your ass, and waiting for things to happen.
fuming
>Socialism/Communism only thrives in shitholes
And that's exactly why it will never win.
>which it still is, but to a lesser extent
They're among the reasons why a certain president of theirs is still in power.
Look on the bright side, if he didn't make every mistake possible china wouldn't know what to avoid.
revisionism, he was a social democrat
Pizza Hut
what's he think of what putin is doing
Should have went with the reforms but kept media control so that the normalgays wouldn't start getting too uppity.
It was less normies getting upity and more capitalist opportunists being able to out maneuver the reformists in media propaganda. Said propaganda being the output of the newly privatized media conglomerates that Gorby purposefully allowed the West to influence. Because he was a moron who took liberalism at face value. It also helped that the capitalists were able to plug into petty ethnonationalism with ease. Yelstin's rise to power and prominence was basically him just going on camera and then drunkenly swearing about how the other SSRs were freeloaders and that Russia was STRONK.
Who cares? The man has no power base. The communists, liberals, nationalists, and centrists all ever hate him or laugh at him. He's Soviet Jeb!
What the frick is that spot on his head? is he molding?
Social democracy. Not even once.
What an ugly looking bastard, jesus christ
Slavs age like rotten milk
He understood that the USSR needed to transition to a market economy to compete on the global stage, but had no idea what made capitalism work, so like a genuine moron he just cut state industries loose instead of maybe just allowing private industry to develop organically like what happened in China.
He really invented a system with all the flaws of communism and capitalism combined and when he (rightfully) started to lose power he decided he would rather take the whole union down with himself than resign.
>maybe i should risk imploding my moderately prosperous second world country just incase we could possibly be as wealthy as the west
>Oh no now we are third world and run by oligarch mafia how could I have foreseen this
>you mean there are other factors for why those imperialist western states built on colonialism and slavery are wealthy besides theor exonomic system
>And now they are using the free market to plunder my people who prospered under protectionism and make us a third world rump stat that will never recover and nato will be building bases in ukraine in 30 years?
Dude just had double digit IQ amd knew nothing about hisotry or exonomics. it actually is a shortcoming of the soviet system for letting this inbred moron into power to be honest. I'm surprised this guy wasn't strung up on a lamp post in the 90s
Oh wait....
>We have carcinogenic mcdonalds beef now we are so prppsperous i can't wait to be poisoned all all the profits to go overseas
Oh right opiates of the masses.
>USSR
>prosperous
Stop being moronic. Socialism doesn't work. The USSR is gone. Get a job.
>>We have carcinogenic mcdonalds beef
Not anymore. Congrats to modern Russia for being a Pakistan tier pariah state but without any of the Soviet industry to back it up
The USSR had higher employment rates than almost any country on earth lmao. And I work blue collar, my dick is harder than your job, trust fund kiddie.
>The USSR had higher employment rates
Actually, no , the USSR had tons of accounting fraud and faked their employment numbers. Only morons believe any statistic evidence that came out their institutions. They just lied about the amount of people employed. No one cares, commie. The USSR is gone, and seething here about it won't bring it back.
I don't care about socialism I just care about peace and happiness in Europe, which is only possible when Russian autism is countered by its connection to it's European neighbors.
Ideally I would like to see Putin hanged and Russia brought into the EU.
It was never him, it was Y*ltsin
>destroy your economy for carcinogenic pizza hut salami that will poison your people will funneling the money into america's 1% because protectionism and bad wrong, having a functional industry and economy is less important than the top 1% of capitalist investors having freedom to do whatevr they want (while the average poorgay starves)
if communists didnt go full moron the new union would still be a great power today
That referendum was fraudulent though, and would have dissolved the USSR either way. That would have just changed it into a confederation of independent states - kinda like Russia today.
communism was on the way out either way, this would've helped russia save face in front of the west