>Neon gas is needed for lithography lasers to create semiconductors
https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-ukraine-halts-half-worlds-neon-output-chips-clouding-outlook-2022-03-11/
>50% came from ukraine but is now down due to war
https://www.reuters.com/technology/russia-limits-exports-noble-gases-key-ingredient-making-chips-2022-06-02/
>With ukraine out, Russia now controls most neon gas production in the world and now restricts export to unfriendly countries
gas bros we got too wienery
it's only an issue for shitty tech
everyone else has more supply chains and not all of ukraines supply goes to chips
Good. Countries that support nazism don't deserve unrestricted imports. I wholeheartedly stand with Russia in opposition to fascism and bigotry.
Sanctions aren't so funny when resource exporters hit back, huh? Just wait until winter, Germany will be so gas starved it will fall on its knees begging Putin to fart in their general direction.
This.
Based and redpilled.
I didn't ask you at all.
What's wrong with nazism? Isn't it kind of ironic to call people bigots while ostracizing (for reasons unknown) specific ideologies?
I, Peter of the San Diego oblast fully agree that we, the west, are to blame for supporting ultranazis in Ukraine.
I agree, comrade.
t. Anon from Texas oblast
>Nazis fight Nazis while claiming they are de-Nazifying but they actually Nazi in the other Nazi country, but the Nazis elsewhere think you're de-Nazifying so they support your Nazi behaviors
I don't know who's Nazifying who anymore.
/thread
Not even a tankie or pinko, but I agree this is the cold hard truth.
This. Nobody gives even a tiny frick about the Ukraine anyway. Think about losing access to the SWIFT records, what a massive intelligence failure. And the end of the dollar as the global oil currency too.
Frick off. Putler is fricking insane and needs to be taken down asap. But I guess the USA does not have to balls to kill that KGB Black person homosexual.
t. seething son of cuckrainian prostitute and polish kurwaBlack person
They can't do a full blown russian invasion, even knowing they will win because of the sheer amount of nukes russia has, just by only a 10% actually being functional will make a huge massacre no one is going to want to be the idiot that made it happen.
Why does the poorest European country, famous for ...? hold so much influence.
That's what being exploited for natural resources does to a country.
Miracles of le epic globalization
I'm buying a couple ryzen processors to scalp btw
Kek I got 3 zen pcs
Wish I kept my other 3 lul
According to german news sites ukraine controlled 70% prior to the war, and the biggest facilities are on the coast.
Russia owns now almost all neon.
Just another israeli ploy to keep the prices up and poor people down.
What do they mean? Neon is found in air. If someone is rich enough to do silicon, they can throw a few compressors around to extract neon from air
Sounds like fud this
You need cryogenic plants, some compressors don't cut it.
China can also build those pants.
It might be an issue on the short term but eventually someone else will take over neon production from Ukraine.
They tried to shift production to china since 2014, things are not that easy in that field. Shortages will last years
>cryogenic plants
they don't sound like too high tech at all, especially considering two of the poorest shitholes have them and apparently no one else does
According to Wikipedia neon production is linked to steel production.
Not sure how that works but I assume having a large steel mill nearby makes the process cheaper.
its because steel production requires inert gases (Nitrogen, argon) and these are all coproducts of the same process. this means the price of neon, xenon, etc. are directly influenced by the demand for nitrogen/argon.
its the same reason gold is always cheaper than platinum.
Ah, that explains it.
But doesn't China produce its own nitrogen and argon for its own steel production?
Everything seems to come from [location of current conflict]. [Location of current conflict] supplies the world with everything and now we can't have good things. It's [currently demonized public figure]'s fault!
I'm so angry bros.
[pure ~~*coincidence*~~]
Good, Westerners must suffer for being Russian cucks.
Yes, I'm from Ukraine.
just use newer processes
>AHH NOO THINK ABOUT THE STOCKHOLDERS, MUH PROFITS
not my problem
Or source the raw materials from more stable suppliers, but no that would mean adhering to environmental and labor regulations.
what the frick
i though IQfy bros were smarter than that
or did /misc/ just overflow so homosexuals from there shit up other boards
that explains the hate on linux lately
that's no good
you should not redditspace like that
>redditspace
That post isn't even using markdown newlines. You people are just using that word any chance you get now.
>That post isn't even using markdown newlines
but it does
It's 2 paragraphs with 1 line, not 1 paragraphs with double spaced lines. Stop trying to give Reddit credit for fricking everything, they didn't invent English.
IQfy is /misc/ with routers
Yeah autists and tech savy people also have good pattern recognition.
LETS FRICKING GOOOOO
Z
>tfw no AKVAMARIN with MCST Elbrus
>did /misc/ just overflow so homosexuals from there shit up other boards
go back
>>tfw no AKVAMARIN with MCST Elbrus
That's okay, nobody in Russia has one either because they don't exist and never will. The tooling was probably sold to an American company for vodka and beads 4 years ago like everything else in Vatnikistan.
/misc/ doesn't know what to think because they have to choose between siding with western libs and siding against ukrainian neo-nazis
So what is neon used for exactly?
Is it for the high power lasers that create the tin plasma used by euv lithography?
Or is it for something else?
DUV uses neon, which i assume it's why this shortage is a big deal, as ordinary old style DUV litography is used to print most of the wafers, EUV being here only for those few critically small detail wafers that would require multiple patterning otherwise
>DUV uses neon
But for what?
shit, i'm afraid i can't help you with this one, i'm not a physicist. all i know is that there are krypton-fluoride(-neon) and argon-fluoride(-neon) lazer sources, and they both use neon
probably clears the air so you have something that won't react with other stuff as easily.
That doesn't answer the question at all. What's wrong with national socialism in your opinion?
It leads to hate and violence. Just look at out history.
You're not making any sense. That's a self fulfilling prophecy.
You're saying that it leads to hate and violence, thus we should start a war and bomb them. Aren't you the one instigating war here?
Didn't Russia attack them?
Russia didn't attack them. They genocided ethnic russians in Eastern Ukraine first. So Russia stepped in with their army.
But technically UkraiBlack folk started it first.
>Russia didn't attack them. They genocided ethnic russians in Eastern Ukraine first. So Russia stepped in with their army.
Frick off Lahta
KEK
really made me laugh, go back ivan >>>2ch.ru
Don't be moronic.
They removed a corrupt dictator which made the corrupt dictator next door really nervous.
This is about stopping democracy from spreading via Ukraine to Russia, nothing else.
>spreading biden tier leaders to the rest of the world
Lemme guess, america isn't a "real" democracy?
You don't have to support democracy.
But you have to admit this is all just to keep some ultrarich dictator and his friends in power and not to stop some supposed "genocide" said dictator claims is happening.
I fail to see how ukraine getting its own puppet leader would lead to the downfall of putin, unless you're talking about how the encrochment of nato via ukraine would threaten russia's (ie. putin's) soverignity, in which case that sounds like a pretty good reason to start a special operation to provide back pressure against your adversary.
As for me, the bio labs stationed in ukraine is enough for me to support russia's endeavours. I personally don't care what the american government or military thinks of anything but when corporations are involved things get real.
>unless you're talking about how the encrochment of nato via ukraine would threaten russia's (ie. putin's) soverignity
As opposed to Sweden and Finland petitioning to join NATO because Putin completely violating the idea of territorial integrity and neutrality undid the entirety of Cold War diplomacy with those two countries, and Ukraine now being completely pushed into the camp of the West, thus fulfilling Putin's own prophecy through his own actions?
They forced his hand. It's either all of russia's neighbors become vassals to US military or all of russia's neighbors become vassals to US military except there's more buffer between nato and moscow
>They forced his hand.
More like he forced everyone else's hand and now he's getting the results he feared he was going to get like some sort of self-fulfilling prophecy caused only by stupidity.
The reddit razor is cancer. It's gotta be real easy to rationalize everything you experience in life if you just assumed everyone you hate was an illogical moron, no wonder political discourse in america is as abysmal as it is.
Either way, if we're talking about morons, it's gotta be the ones who dick waved more sanctions and cut their allies off of essential goods and did it during an economic downturn as they decided to stop printing cash, hands down.
Dude he was the elected president of ukraine and they tried to murder him and removed him unconstitutionally.
>doesn't trust the news but still trusts history
lol. lmao.
>still spews russian propaganda and disinformation
lol. lmao.
I don't see what this has to do with the ideology or Ukraine at all. Aren't these pictures from 1940?
>>50% came from ukraine but is now down due to war
where in Ukraine was neon produced? In the east? Why didn't they relocate it the war has been brewing for 8 years now.
>oi lads just pick up the plant an move it elsewhere then
>where in Ukraine was neon produced?
Mariupol.
It was a byproduct of the steel production of Azovstal.
>Why didn't they relocate
Makes more sense to move production to China (or any other big steel producer) than to move it to a different part of Ukraine.
is it just me or is really every important Ukrainian industry in east Ukraine? Seems like they never invested in the western Ukraine for industry or are those just old soviet plants?
Yes, Eastern Ukraine was a major industrial area for the USSR.
Western Ukraine is mostly farmland.
It's also why you have so many Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine: they migrated there from Russia to work in the factories.
Neon comes entirely from atmosphere distillation plants. Neon's applications are quite limited and most involve metallurgy and illumination work so naturally production is closely tie to metalwork stuff and lighting.
Actually, it is because eastern Ukraine was Russia Empire/USSR only year around warm-water port since mid 19th century. It was their only stable access to the global trade and market.
Bitch, it just means that in a few months West/China will produce same amounts as before of Neon and Russia will have trouble to sell it unless doing huge discounts
He asked what's wrong with Nazism, not with Typhoid + resource shortages
Fake and gay
>Russia now controls most neon gas production in the world and now restricts export to unfriendly countries
BaZed. Frick cuckraine, just nuke this shithole already
>just nuke this shithole already
you mean trasshia?
>BaZed
go back ivan, this board is meant for intelligent people
maybe i should use the wikipedia page on war crimes committed by the USA as an argument against capitalism...
Neon is nothing. Without wheat we will eat the bugs. Thank you, uncle JoJo.
he ask for wrong not the solution.
not a problem when your company still uses MUV steppers in >2022
Fricking ukrainians. Frick them.
>дoлбoёбы из /misc/ нacтoлькo тyпыe, чтo вeдyтcя нa пpo poccийcкyю пpoпaгaндy
>дoлбoёбы из /misc/ нacтoлькo тyпыe, чтo вeдyтcя нa пpo poccийcкyю пpoпaгaндy
Lol only now they realize they're in deep?
What is EUs goal with these sanctions that hurt their own citizens more than russia? Are they trying to provoke the people into approving of direct war?
The costs are minor compared to the early Cold War and simply don't matter. They won't kill or starve anyone and a few fewer toys matter little. It's time other neon sources were exploited like other gas sources. The Asiatic NeoSoviet must be imploded like it's CCCP predecessor.
The fact that Russia can frick the EU harder than the EU can frick them back is exactly the reason these sanctions are warranted. They'd be idiots not to take this opportunity to pivot to less immediately hostile partnerships while the public is in favor of doing so despite the temporary cost.
I don't see why we should need to kill Putin when he's Russia's problem.
Ain't there a single Ruskie with a spare bullet and a pair of balls?
Putin's biggest flaw so far was promising to nuke the west if it interfered, and then pussing out when the west blatantly interfered.
He should have erased a few billion pigs, and I hate him for not doing his duty.
When you make a nuclear threat you have to follow through, otherwise you demonstrate that your nukes are worthless.
Putin's successors want to bring the soviet union back and despise the west. People forget that Putin was a moderate pro west choice which is why the United States supported him getting elected in the first place.
ok how the frick can Ukraine be this poor if they have this much stuff the world needs?
It seems at face value they should have nearly as much wealth as France or Germany does.
The answer is ridiculous levels of corruption. Every single person involved in Ukraine should be assumed to be corrupt.
she has the solution
South Korea already produce neon gas(in fact most of materials needed for semi-conductor production) on their own after trade dispute (i.e. mutial economic sanctions) with Japan
Taiwan is "part of China" according to PRC and China has "limitless friendship" with Russia.
So there is basically no problem.
>South Korea already produce
*South Korea already produces