How far did the Phonecians/Carthos truly venture? We know they most likely circumnavigated Africa and definitely colonized the Azores which is 1500 km from Iberia in the middle of the atlantic, this opens a huge amount of amazing possibilities and we know for a fact they visited Ancient Britain to trade for tin, how far did they really go?
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This makes me happy that we have still history to discover
don't assume that it will be "discovered". institutional history consists entirely of gatekeeping homosexuals like
yes, "gatekeeping". generally, in academia if you make a claim about a massive land mass in the ocean rising up at a specific time because of a large celestial body, you need to have evidence to back it up.
"gatekeeping"
Hello sir India supports Israel. We are broothers
I think their is a strong
chance the Phonecians visited India or even farther, but the Phonecians lived so long ago the evidence would be very scant at best
India is right next to the near east so the Phonecians could just sail down the Persian gulf from Egypt which is near Phonecia and then they are in India
>India is right next to the near east so the Phonecians could just sail down the Persian gulf from Egypt which is near Phonecia and then they are in India
no Suez canal, getting their boats into the Red Sea was a non-trivial undertaking. obvoiusly they could build their ships launch from Egyptian ports but then that would be Egyptian-sponsored Phoenicians.
Pharaoh Neko initiated the construction of a channel that connected the Nile to the Red Sea and Darius later finished it
There's evidence they've reached brazil as well.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/biados/texts/brazilph.htm&ved=2ahUKEwiI1oOO8eD5AhUMvJUCHaefDSQQFnoECF8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1XWszt5uD4JwmH2VvdwXgy
sorry for the moronic link
http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/biados/texts/brazilph.htm
>evidence
>first paragraph talks about Atlantis
/x/ is that way.
The trojan wars were also considered myth, until it wasn't.
Ignore that shit and scroll down, or don't, i don't actually care...
Evidence of one war that happened in roughly the place an oral poem claimed it happened, doesn't prove that the Iliad itself happened the way Homer wrote it down. It also doesn't prove that a literary device used to describe one Athenian's ideal government in a fictional narrative was an actual place.
Imagine we found like a Phonecian ship full of traded goods in like the outerbanks or some shit, that would be pretty amazing
That’s not a Phoenician tomb
>Phonecian tomb in the Azores
Proof?
Zero.
1. There is a man made cave.
2. It has slots carved into the walls, seemingly to hold urns, so it might be a tomb.
3. It has a calendar carved into it, which is distinctly Phoenician.
4. When the Portuguese found the islands, they already had southern European animals living there, so someone must've been there earlier.
5. If you are catching the currents returning from Britain, where the Phoenicians are supposed to have traded for tin, you will end up on those islands.
>There is a man made cave.
There isn't
> It has a calendar carved into it, which is distinctly Phoenician.
it doesn't
>It has slots carved into the walls, seemingly to hold urns, so it might be a tomb.
But not actual urns, funny that!
>they already had southern European animals living there
It didn't
>where the Phoenicians are supposed to have traded for tin, you will end up on those islands.
They could've just crossed the channel like everyone else did.
>no
>no
>no
Yes. Yes. Yes.
What are you even doing here? Just rejecting observable reality?
There are man made caves, there is carving, there are signs of fire inside, there are European animals before the Portuguese, who couldn't have gotten there otherwise, the currents do make it easier to reach from the north than from Portugal. The question was if it was Norse that found it, or Phoenicians. The calendar leads us to Phoenicians.
Post sources or frick off
Different Anon btw
I know you two morons have an internet connection, and you know that you aren't paying me for private lessons, so what are we doing here? Look shit up yourself if you care, and stop posting shit if you don't care.
Post the DOI of the article you fricking idiot
There's nothing Phoenician there, not one letter, looks like a carving anyone could've made including my great great grandpa
>Diagram of sunset projected light-shafts in cave 2, for several dates along the year. The projection moves clockwise from the Winter solstice to the Summer solstice and then anti-clockwise back to the Winter solstice. During spring and summer the projection is on the back wall.
Anyone would've made it, not a single Phoenician letter or carving.
>there is carving
provide one example
>there are signs of fire inside
Dated to after the Portuguese colonization.
>there are European animals before the Portuguese
No sources.
>The calendar leads us to Phoenicians.
No source or even pictures of this supposed "calendar".
there are Scandinavian rats, not Portuguese ones, in the Azores, so Vikings clearly got there first. I hadn't heard anything about Phoenicians making it there though.
is a man made cave.
> There isn't
That's an artificial cave and looks nothing like Phoenician tombs or even Punic ones whcih usually were square and had traces of paint, plus they always had a lot of pottery and artifacts that this one COMPLETELY lacks, I wonder why!
Its square on the inside, moron, and it has the solar calendar. There were even carthagenian coins found on the island, that have since rationalized to have been.... portoguese coins which by accident were stamped in a town in Portugal that used to be called the same as a town in Carthagenia and also just happened to use the same silver that was used by Carthage a thousand years before lol
>There were even carthagenian coins found on the island, that have since rationalized to have been.... portoguese coins which by accident were stamped in a town in Portugal that used to be called the same as a town in Carthagenia and also just happened to use the same silver that was used by Carthage a thousand years before lol
Lol so NO evidence again, not one single ancient artifact found in modern excavations
>be portoman
>arrive at an island
>rob it
>300 years later, claim nobody was there before you
>"after all, modern excavations found nothing (because we stole it all lol)
Lol yeah they robbed useless plain pottery all over the islands, c'mon dude , shut up and admit defeat
>admit defeat
We aren't fighting, there's no victory or defeat. I am posting field study and giving reasons as to why the Phoenician hypothesis exists. You are going from "no man made caves" to "no calendar" to "no video recording of a phonetian man making the carvings", and basically trying to annoy me enough to close the tab, so you can celebrate by posting smug wojaks.
Why is the board so shit? Is it &Humanities fault?
No you haven't posted one single piece of evidence of any ancient presence on the island.
Don't worry anon, not everybody is moronic. Keep posting, love your work.
schizo rejecting hard evidence KEK
>n-n-n-nooo you're the sch-sch-schizo
moron
You're the moron who denies evidence because it contradicts your preconceptions of history. You have a calcified brain. You're finished, mentally speaking. It's over.
So far you've posted zero evidence, as you don't even know what evidence even means.
Surely you will take this thread as proof that "academy is bought", "there's gatekeeping",, "people should be open minded" and similar grades of moronation because again, you don't even know what proof means or what the frick you're talking about.
You're a moronic nobody
Samegay or just another moron, don't worry, you can make how many shitty blogposts you want, no academician will ever take your nonsense seriously
You mean the same academia that insisted there was no Trojan War until it was proven beyond a doubt? You mean the same academia that's trying to convince you that Rome was black, Hannibal was black, etc.? You're a groveling slave, not a critically-thinking human being.
>You mean the same academia that insisted there was no Trojan War until it was proven beyond a doubt?
It was never proven, we just know that Troy existed that was destroyed several times over because of different reasons, and its existence wasn't even denied by most scholars
What evidence? a modern carving is not evidence of anything, don't worry, nobody will take you seriously
>those phonetian coins? a portoguese sailor brought them from portugal, they just by chance are stamped from silver sourced from tunis
>that phoenician solar calendar? a portuguese sailor carved it in the 18th century, despite different navigation being used back then
>that blackened cave that the portoguese called fire cave? well they lighted fires there, and called it fire cave after they blackened it themselves
>no evidence that the battle for stalingrad ever took place, btw
>that phoenician solar calendar?
Based on what is it Phoenician and not made 100 years ago? none.
phonetian coins?
That were not found during regular excavations and of which zero photos exist
>well they lighted fires there, and called it fire cave after they blackened it themselves
No c14 on that supposed "ancient" fires, lol
>there was no Trojan War until it was proven beyond a doubt?
Post 1 (one) guy working in the field who said that.
It seems likely that Azores were inhabited at some point in history before the Portugese arrived. Everything points to Phoenicians or another Mediterranean culture. The findings are pretty new and research is still ongoing.
Dunno why anons get so worked up about this.
Because we've been asking for such evidence and OP is dancing, dodging and b***hing, instead of just showing the data.