>Read qur'an
>Non-believers go to hell, good-doers go to heaven, scribbled all over in every chapter with very little variation
>Few chapters that are about prophets that are surprisingly well-written and knowledgable
>Others are just short mediocre poetry chapters that are basically the same
If most muslims actually read the qur'an i'm sure they would leave the religion immediately
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Muslims do read the Qur'an, but they just don't understand it. Most of the time they rely on translations or, if they're Salafis, follow whatever YouTube scholars say blindly.
Post location, I will meet you and educate you inshallah you will beg me to convert you
Can't you do it right here? There is a quite large character limit anyways.
He means he wants to have sex with you.
>Allah has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and their sight is covered. They will suffer a tremendous punishment.
It's literally on the second page, you're fricked man
How is that fair from a theological standpoint? If god predestined me to not be receptive to Islam, giving me no chance to convert, it definitely proves that he's not omnibenevolent and is actually pretty delusional.
If you read further, it says you deserve to be lead astray.
>but none does He cause thereby to go astray save the iniquitous
>who break their bond with God after it has been established [in their nature], and cut asunder what God has bidden to be joined, and spread corruption on earth: these it is that shall be the losers
why would they do that?
Because they choose to do so.
Sounds like a real butthole. Good thing he's not real.
>>who break their bond with God after it has been established [in their nature],
So, according to the Quran the disbelievers chose to not believe in him at some point before they were even born?
Islam simply went full calvinist from the start and declared that Allah decides who goes to heaven and who gets fricked, and he can do that because frick you he's the boss and he can do whatever he wants.
yeah a lot of the book is just threats
They do read the quorn but they are indoctrinated. Even if they do doubt it they wont say anything because theyre so entrenched in Muslim society. They love to 'debate' but wont ever entertain the idea of being wrong.
>be k*fir
>can't attack Islam without resorting to name calling, made up lies or subjective vaguery
>y-yeah it talks too much about the afterlife
>i-it's bad poetry, not that I'm able to understand arabic tho
Fricking idiots
That's how a community function, by having solid values that aren't up to debate, if the west had those it wouldn't be on the decline.
"Omnibenevolence" is a made up world that mean nothing clear, the very fact that suffering exists at all is enough to debunk it, I've never heard a religious person call God "omnibenevolent".
You always have the choice to become a Muslim but the more you reject this calling about the more you persist in blindness the less likely it is to happen. The opposit is true, if you walk toward Gods with an honest heart you'll be more likely to become a muslim
Idiot
>what is free will
It's among the things that are above human comprehension, we can't understand it and we don't need to.
How do you know he doesn't speak Arabic? You can acknowledge the Qur'an is trash poetry as an Arabic speaker.
>It's among the things that are above human comprehension, we can't understand it and we don't need to.
Literally the peak of Muslim theology: Ignorance.
Don't get me wrong, Christian mysticism at a certain stage embraces "unknowing" as a type of experience. But never when theologizing lol that is just weakness.
>>can't attack Islam without resorting to name calling, made up lies or subjective vaguery
replicating muslim behavior against them isn't wrong.
>i-it's bad poetry, not that I'm able to understand arabic tho
Even ex muslim arabs themselves have said the qur'an isn't that well written, so in terms of eloquence the qur'an fails
>"Omnibenevolence" is a made up world that mean nothing clear
You're clearly ESL, because it's not a hard word. In the qur'an god constantly calls himself the most merciful, the most compassionate, etc, that is what omnibenevolent means.
>In the qur'an god constantly calls himself the most merciful, the most compassionate, etc, that is what omnibenevolent means.
No, it isn't. Being the most compassionate person in the universe doesn't mean you're "omni" anything.
It's fairly possible that some computer out there has the most knowledge any entity ever will have. That doesn't mean "omniscient".
If God's knowledge isn't infinite he can't be God. Because God says in the qur'an he is the all-knower, he knows what is in people's hearts, he created the universe, etc.
You're contradicting your own religion, but you wouldn't know because you are a browncel larper who's never read his own scripture.
I wasn't talking about God's knowledge not being infinite. I was talking about "most compassionate" not being the same as "omnibenevolent".
You just bailed on reading 2 sentences and tried to mock me pretending I didn't read a book lmaooo goatfrickers
Omnibenevolent means largely the same thing, infinite goodness and compassion, which is the literal definition of the word. You're basically saying that he was lying in the Qur'an.
Anyway, since you're arguing semantics, it seems like you already feel like you lost and need to grasp onto straws. Must I ask, what country are you from?
>more than others
>literally an infinity
Yeah. This is not the same thing. I don't know how you can be too thick to understand.
>Qur'an
I take that back. I understand completely why you're this thick.
>since you're arguing semantics
You only now realized we're talking about meanings of words, didn't you?
Must I ask, how does your cousin's prepubertal pussy taste?
Your vocabulary is so primitive, you sound like a 13 year old boy.
>>more than others
an infinity
>Yeah. This is not the same thing. I don't know how you can be too thick to understand.
How can God not be infinite and have infinite attributes if he is outside the entire universe and encompasses reality itself?
>doesn't understand written text
>doesn't understand meaning of 'semantic'
>relying on (one of the versions of) Quran for truth
>...
>"you sound like a 13 yaer old"
This is why muzzies are mocked.
>This is why muzzies are mocked.
I'm not Muslim. Aren't you the muslim that I'm supposed to be refuting? Are you confused? You called me a "k*fir", something that only Muslims say.
>>can't attack Islam without resorting to name calling, made up lies or subjective vaguery
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Islam simply went full calvinist from the start and declared that Allah decides who goes to heaven and who gets fricked, and he can do that because frick you he's the boss and he can do whatever he wants.
>Idiot
No fricking way this isn't a false flag
>THE WEST IS ON THE DECLINE BECAUSE THEY ARENT RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS WHO HAVE UNWAVERING INDOCTRINATION TO A RIGID AND HATEFUL SET OF BELIEFS
Sure, bud, sure. The West is decadent just like China is failing, and has been for 30 or 40 years. See you next week.
The West doesnt mean anything
Define the west
Why do we need arabic to understand it ?
Isnt Islam universal
>the West
Why are you comparing a religion and a culture/people ?
Both are super-cultures. Not him but it makes sense.
No its not
Islam is a faith/religion
The "West" is a cultural/Ethnic/Geographical entity
Islam is cultural Arabism. And yes, Christianity is cultural Europeanism, but the West is no longer Christian dominant.
Are you comfortable with the idea that God is just a big boss who you better obey "or else"? Because if that was the case, I would obey but I could never respect
It absolutely beats you over the head with
>“ALLAH IS GREAT. YOU ARE NOT. THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH. DO NOT QUESTION ALLAH. HE IS GREAT AND YOU ARE NOT.”
It’s like every other verse. It makes it difficult to read.
Yep. Very incoherent, at least the bible is sequential and you can follow what happens
The Bible has some great stories. It’s all very serious, but it has funny human moments like Ezekiel being told to eat the scroll by the angel, and the very next verse is
>so I ate it
It doesn’t need to beat you over the head with how powerful god is and how you should obey him. Ezekiel’s response is immediately to obey, and that shows you how powerful the beings were. It’s ironically less preachy than the Quran, and presents its story as facts. Things that happened.
Wallah… the true faith…
Muzzdogs are so fricking moronic lmao. Your pre-islamic ancestors all are in hell and so are all other muslims schools/denominations because there can only be one true one and in shitslam all others are considered heathens and non-believers and also go to hell. So there's a big chance that you waste your life following this sandBlack person no-fun allowed incel religion only to still end up in hell because you might interpret like one line wrong.
On top of that, literally everyone is interpreting it wrong Except for Me™ according to their religious leaders, who they take over the supposed word of god. It's pretty much impossible to be a "proper Muslim" according to Islam itself.
What is surprising about good doers go to heaven bad go to hell. That's what the book is about so it's only reasonable to repeat . It's not story book! It a preaching book to remember . Repeating is a powerful tool of preaching , and if you read thoroughly pay attention you will see it's not random verses and story's they are all connected and there are underlying message that is conveyed. So it works both levels the more attention and effort you give the more it will give you.
>And indeed, We have made the >Quran easy to understand and >remember, then is there any that >will remember (or receive admonition)?
God says
Quran is a simplified Bible. Difficult parts removed, story smoothened out and theology undone back a thousand years.
I suggest you never read it again.
By theology gone back thousands of years you mean like how Christians are basically polytheists.
Quoran came to correct the theology that gone astray so it's the same as old testament only useless wrong , and outdated parts removed.
>If most muslims actually read the qur'an i'm sure they would leave the religion immediately
sub 90 IQ slave chattel people, you expect too much
Most muslims would be surprised by what the Quran actually says if they actually bothered to see what it is saying rather than just listening to it like its some mystical force.
Quran 4:23-24 Allows men to have sex with married slaves without any marriage contract.
Quran 24:31 Allows women to reveal themselves in front of male slaves.
Tell that to any muslim, and they will straight up reject it and say Islam doesn't teach this. Yet they probably heard these verses many times.
Ma malakat aymanukum doesn't mean slaves. You'd know that if you studied arabic.
Nah it pretty much means sex slaves. Sabaya are the women taken after a war and malikat AL yameen means servants and female sex slaves too. It's literally the first result you find when searching the word.