Stop wasting your time with airy fairy ideas that have no basis with reality. Stop reading fiction. Dostoevsky will not turn you into a better person. Neither will reading about figures like Alcibiades or Napoleon. At best you become good at spouting trivia.
Get good at sports. Get good at math. Get a skill that makes money. Get rich. Get fit. If you spent less time with fiction and instead chose to do math Olympiad or chess from a young age you'd be a top percentile human instead of wasted potential on IQfy.
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But does reality actually exist?
Yeah.
How are you certain?
None of this brings her back so I don't care
This. She’s gone for good and
and she's gone for good and she's gone for good and she's gone for good and she's gone for good and she's gone for good and
TRY CALLING ME A PIG NOW YOU FRICKING STUPID BASTARD
Getting real pajeet vibes off of this post
>t. Mediocrity who thinks he's better than everyone else and all it will take is that "one day" where a flip finally switches and he proves himself
Very specific there anon. Have something to share?
>t. esl poster
>a flip finally switches
Reading about strong brave men of myth and history inspires me to lift and challenge myself outdoors.
Math and chasing money is for homosexuals though.
Reading about strong brave men of myth and history makes me want to lift because it pisses me off that all the cool prositution and adventure already happened and lifting is my only outlet for that emotion
You're no different than coons who get inspired by tiktok edits of Sasuke with some groid rap lyrics
What‘s neat is that by by choosing the most aesthetically distasteful (albeit funny) illustration possible you inherently recognize the spiritual elevation of art by means of its antipode; you only pretend not to see it.
No he's seeing that there are multiple ways to express the same idea, in this case the idea being you should be big and break stuff
you're too smart for this place, get out
Talk about easily impressed
this place is for illiterate children who can't do anyhthing right, let alone make a coherent point
t. drunk and high constantly at parents home but studying literature and classical music to one day be original
where do you fall on the chart?
>Litoids think explaining someone's post is impressive
>extremely obvious parasocial tourist post
>litoids
>art...le influences people
Holy shit...wooooah my boy is so frickin smaht!
You would've had a point if the thread you're writing this under wasn't about art being a waste of time
I thought the point was that getting hyped by reading about cool men and getting hyped by watching tiktok amvs leads to the same outcome and the only difference when used in that way is the arbitrary aesthetic value placed on them.
Yeah that's what I meant
Huh? But op is not just taking about cool men doing war. He literally said "Stop reading fiction" and "Dostoevsky will not turn you into a better person" ... The idea here anything aside from pure realism is garbage and a waste of time.
And youre being told you can get all those gains just by being a normie AND you get to have sex too
My brain just short circuited trying to understand what you're trying to say. What does being a normie have to do with reading books? Did reading books become a neckbeard thing or sth? Also, are you trying to suggest that reading literature somehow stops you from getting laid? Let's go ask liberal arts bros see who gets more ass you or them
Btw, I don't think anything you're trying to say is that deep or I haven't heard it from guys who went to major in IT sectors in college. They all think humanities is rubbish, but then have no idea why they struggle to form any kind of relationships and are so goddamn lonely.
>Did reading books become a neckbeard thing or sth?
And here you are telling ME to touch grass
Do you feel like you should grass? Because I didn't tell you to, but maybe you do if that's how you feel kek
Maybe people in the sphere you interact with don't read much because similary to you they believe that reading fiction is a waste of time, but reading is alive and well my friend. IQfy reads more of the stuff i like (philosophy, fiction with philosophical themes), but also girls from 13-18 are keeping the printed word alive by consuming young adult fiction
It's strange to see literature being correlated to viginity btw I promise you any woman is more impressed that you read or write than by you playing vidya
>Do you feel like you should grass? Because I didn't tell you to, but maybe you do if that's how you feel kek
funny how this all started because you failed to understand that the same idea can be illustrated in different ways and now here you go again.
anyways zoomer women are addicted to video games, they barely read, you need to go outside man
Kek, no, at no point did i say or intend or imply that you should go outside more. I think that's what you inferred from me mentioning IT guys and them being lonely... But what I meant is what I said: the idea that literature, art... being useless isn't new. But then the people who hold humanities in contempt go on to suffer socially. We can discuss why that is, but the point wasn't to tell you to touch grass, it was merely to say that 1. this isn't a new idea and 2. people who espouse it a lot of times end up alone and don't understand why. In short, if this is the latest advice that you've picked up from some sigma male podcast, it doesn't work.
As for zoomer women not reading,again, I disagree. They just don't tell you because a lot of men now want a gf who watches anime and plays vidya. If anything I'd say women read more than men. Because a lot of women get into anime and vidya because they think that's what they have to do now to get your attention, but they get into reading because it's something they're genuinely passionate about.
It's not some alpha advice it's just me observing the social situation and telling you that if you want to read this stuff fine but you arent going to get along better with people for it and almost everyone considers it nerd/loner shit. I mean look where your argument is now "those women actually read in secret and only pretend to like video games", I know I was culture shocked too when I learned this, but times change, video game streamers are cool now, books are still considered nerd shit
They don't read in secret, dude, they just don't think it's worthy of mentioning. It's considered a requirement rather than a hobby, so if someone mentions in their bio on some dating app, people roll their eyes they do at "going out doors" and "hiking..." etc It's like what else do you need to tell me that you also eat and take a shit? Besides, it's not a selling point. It's not that men mind women who read, but if you want to impress, you're gonna try to lead with the things you know are in high demand.
Reading isn't nerd shit. On its own, it doesn't make you one. If you read one or two books a week you're not a nerd. But if you fixate on one book for eg, read fanfiction, write fanfiction, spend all day taking about its lore... You might be one. The problem with nerds is that their life revolves around one thing, if you're not doing that you're alright.
>you arent going to get along better with people for it
it's a cirlce. the problem with people who don't care about humanities is that they think that stuff is a waste of time, but also only because they think dealing with other people, trying to understand them, to build relationships ... is a waste of time too. but if i were to tell you that i want to build a clock from scratch without having any background in electrical engineering (an actual reddit post btw), you'd think i'm an imbecile. yet somehow these people who think everything human is stupid and don't bother to work on it, to get better at it... are astonished when they fail at it. it's like dude you don't give importance to people, how thye feel, how they think... why are you surprised that you don't understand people or get along with them. reading literature alone doesn't make you develop friendships or get you a gf ... but it helps you develop the sensibilities that will make that possible
>Reading isn't nerd shit
I agree bro, I'm just saying most people don't, including women. They arent going to bail you out of this one by being the golden holders of morality and culture and telling you Vidya is lame and reading books is epic because they dont think that, go talk to them and you will see.
It should be obvious to you I don't think talking to people is a waste of time but you have to do it on their terms in their cultural frame, you can just pretend you have "the guide to people" because you read some neurotic old guy from 200 yrs ago, in fact that's the exact type of shit women DO see through
*Can't just pretend
I think women get a lot shit on and many times it's unwarranted. Like again many women got into anime and vidya just so they could compete for men's interest. If men were interested in reading, I promise you many would take it up as a hobby. No, women read and are interested in men who read. But again ike anything else if you make it your whole personality or aren't interested in anything else they won't find it as attractive. I'll give you a counter example: do women think gym bros are attractive? They're not nerds, right? And yet I promise you most women don't find them attractive. Women are attracted to fit men, men who exercise... but they're not attracted to men who are obsessed with gym culture. It's the same thing: if you obsess about it, make it your whole personality, you're a nerd.
> you can just pretend you have "the guide to people" because you read some neurotic old guy from 200 yrs ago
True, but also I don't think people read literature because they want to live by the moeurs of 200 years ago. I mean everyone understands that times change, but also there are things that survive time and are common across cultures. When dostoevsky talks about existential questions, that's not peculiar to his time or to Russia, when he describes the character of the father in the Kramazov Brothers, someone kind of relishes in embarrassment and in making a scene ... we've all known someone like that in real life and it's not particular to his time or country... And reading literature makes you reflect on these types that you meet or may meet in life, think about morality question, societal ones... (sometimes even help you understand historical periods / grasp the zeitgeist of the era, but that's beside the scope of our current conversation)... Now imagine doing that tens and hundreds of times, imagine reading and trying to understand characters/people from different novels and periods and situations... By the end of that, you develop a knack for it, you start to understand people
Btw, anon, I'll tell you sth: I have at least 4 friends who rea and write, and without an exaggeration, they're pussy magnets. And none of them are good looking. It's simply because they have a way of making women feel heard and understood when they talk to them. Sometimes it makes me jeaous tbh But I don't write an it's because I'm a bit of a coward, I don't like facing myself
Women want to be put in a state of play. They're boycrazy at the end of the day. They want goofy Chads who make them feel like kids. If they're not giggling then they don't like you. If you treat dates like 21 questions and ask about their career, they will start getting anxious and think about wrinkles that have began recently forming on their faces. You got to be teasing and handsome.
Didn't read your post btw
>Didn't read your post btw
Then what do you want from me? Why even answer?
t. has never felt the touch of a woman
I haven't actually. But I still know more about women. My cope is that being a virgin means I have a higher potential. I am still capable of being a great statesmen or Batman while most other men have sublimated their will to power with pussy
The fact that I a guy who has had sex at least 50 times in my life just seriously considered and thought over the advice of a virgin on women is really telling about how fricking stupid I am
I am much smarter than you so it is good you listened to me
I have but I know better
I'm not sure what type of women you or your friends are into but if you are into attractive twenty-thirty year old women for the most part they do not read worth a shit and at the lower end 20-25 they also like video games and anime (genuinely not to impress guys lmao). They definitely don't care about timeless existential questions, you might give them a panic attack even if you say that shit.
I think you just have an idea that every woman is too stupid to understand deep thoughts, when in reality they're (the ideas) not that deep to begin with. Just don't bring it up out of nowhere or try to use it as way to seduce women (i.e., acting like reading about that stuff makes you deep) because they see through that shit. Also, I gave you one example but we're talking about reading fiction in general, not just ones with philosophical themes like D's.
The girls I mentioned aren't interested because my friends talk to them about existentialism. The point is that when you're well read, you become better at communication, and it seeps into you interactions with others.
>The point is that when you're well read, you become better at communication, and it seeps into you interactions with others.
The final cope of us litbros, now that we've seen that women literally respect Naruto more than they are respect our hobby we have to hope that one day all of the reading we do subconsciously contributes to our people skills and enables us to have great conversations. But it just doesn't work that way, having your head filled with history lore or cowboys castrating each other will not make you attractive to women. I'm sorry but it's just not the world we live in
It's not just cope, dude. Here's the thing I'll probably end on (unless someone raises an interesting point later, then I might respond): listen, making money is good. But if it's the only thing a person spends their only chance at life doing, then imo, their life is wasted. Maybe not to them but to me it is. Like dude you can't make the reason you exist, the reason you came into this world... raising coins. shitty metal and paper. Art is valuable because we express our thoughts, feelings, dilemmas, pain... through it, and it is those things that make us human, not how much paper and metal we have amassed over the years. it might give you status, it might make people pretend to ike you or respect you... but it's not gonna make anybody genuinely like you and it's not a remplacement for having a substance.
>Like dude you can't make the reason you exist, the reason you came into this world... raising coins. shitty metal and paper.
I hate artcopers because they look just like me and I look hideous
Are we? Or have you been made to feel weird in high school and have internalized that as the truth, rather than high school teenagers being ruthless and were just anxious to fit in
I understand the sentiment, but I think it's too one-sided.
You seem to have forgotten that circumstances may differ.
One may be obsessed with money, miserable, pathetic even if he has a lot of money.
But it could also be that the whole thing is an interesting journey, the opposite of what you'd call "a life wasted".
So it depends.
I read and write, but not fiction I guess (I don't write fiction and only read it a little these days). Women seem like inscrutable aliens to me in many ways.
It was no explanation, it was using his logic against him
I learned the word antipode from this post thanks anon.
Now learn antediluvian, b***h
I already know that one.
Untrue. They chase sensibilities but he pursues principles. They are nothing alike.
>Get a skill that makes money. Get rich.
why ?
To be impressive. Build your wealth and throw it all away for some childish fantasy you still maintained in adulthood and die at 33 (master number of completion)
>realism
>harboring schizo power fantasies of becoming christ by getting rich and crucifying your money
ok
>crucifying your money
what does that mean?
I try and fail to imagine that.
like you put coins in a bag and put a bag on a cross?
>better person
Would any of the other shit you listed make you a "better person"? Are you basing all this on how "cool" or "impressive" you'll outwardly seem to the masses?
Yes. Being better than people is the number one goal in life besides pleasure. Some people become martyrs just so you can flex how much more in control of your basal instincts you are than the masses. It's a huge flex to have the weight of the world on your shoulders and forgive others and take the high ground. Others become law men in various forms to scare others into submissions. Instilling fesr is a flex. Subhumans can't cause fear, only the genetically better can. Dying as a young rockstar is also a flex. You keep your beauty and never show the world your cracks in perfection. Realism maxing is a necessary step in becoming better. Many young men get enthralled by fictional characters or unachievable heights like Napoleon and end up as failures who know alot of historical trivia
im just trying to be the next dostoesvky, so I obviously need to read a lot. I always assumed I'd die as an unhappy failure, So i assume I'll be a happier failure knowing I read dostoesvly and eventually gave up and got a normal job.
You will have wished you invested time in ideas when you're 30 and only have your boring realism. Man needs intellectual refinement and absorbsion.
Why yes, I'm also a platonic realist.
>or chess
exquisite bait
When did chess become soi?
All intellectualism is soi nerd shit
What's intellectual about an autistic board game? People who play it are literally just swotting patterns.
I don't know homie ask society, I don't see the associations I just recall them in conversation
*set the
No, all those things are just sublimated will-to-power and lack the intrigue of lopping someone’s head of with a sword and taking their possessions (especially their wife).
Why would I want to do that to my fellow man?
He's gonna do it to you first if you don't, hurry get him!!!!
Prisoner's dilemma.
True. But it's the closest we've got. Also beauty is more powerful than a spiteful human shaking someone in the alley. Beauty arrests oneself in a way not even violence can do
>chess
Getting fit was fun for years but every time I try to sit down to learn a skill I end up getting bored. Life sucks, it’s boring. I have no conception of how people get money either. College is also too expensive to keep going. I’m fricked.
The optimal movement is from idealism to realism back to a sublimated idealism -- an idealism with an appreciation for the real. Generally the faculty orienting itself towards reality is a good servant but a poor master. The highest parts of man are his imagination and intuition. You will probably eventually discover this on your own OP, that you are currently stuck in a juvenile, materialistic stage of life which you will eventually overcome. Getting rich, getting fit, "being better than other people" aren't very sustainable or ennobling goals. Most people, aside from perhaps the most spiritually deadened and psychopathic, need a narrative and meaning outside of this. What are you doing all of this for -- will it have been all worth it on your deathbed? The issues here are religious and about the meaning of life itself so this post could go on for much longer without ever reaching an adequate way of expressing what I am trying to say. In truth all literature and art is not enough to express the gravity and beauty of the universe which is why we must always be making new books and new art, to constantly remind us of the true and the good and the beautiful that is there. Because humans are so liable to err even despite the overwhelming beauty and strangeness of what surrounds us and, as your OP post has done but is in no way unique or unusual in doing so, to forget it.
I already overcome what you're talking about. I had my materialistic phase and my idealistic phase right after. All I thought about was Napoleon, Hitler, divine intervention and becoming a hero. I have now sublimated that idealism into real life. Javier Milei and Trump are perfect examples of sublimated idealism. Trump believes himself to be cut from the same cloth as Alexander or even Christ (look at his grandfather's middle name) but have sublimated these ambitions into the real world. He's not a warrior on a chariot but a business man with larger than life characteristics owing to his idealistic side. Milei is also similar with his sex magic and occult beliefs.
A kid who wishes himself to be Batman should sublimate his ideal and become a doctor or detective. If he doesn't realismmaxx he's just going to be a beardjak soifacing over the next capeshit. His will to power will be writing video essays about how the justice league cartoon is super poignant and deep
This trump one only really makes sense if you believe the trump lore as given by trump, I know this has become an idealogue mess in the last few years but the history of trump is kind of interesting in that he was basically this big baby raised by his father to be his successor to the detriment of his siblings. He was basically never told no and there was always the narrative that he would inherit Fred's great empire. Will to power is interesting there because it's less like this little worm has triumphantly built itself up to this great force and more like this little kids will has been hooked into this machine built just for him.
That's the realistic part. In real life people don't build themselves to great heights. At most a poor dude can go to a tech college and get a coding job for 100k/year. People like Trump need that pick-me-up from daddy but that doesn't mean they're not the closest thing alive to living Legends today. I guess the other option is becoming a handsome serial killer or Manson type figure for suburbanite women to obsess over. Bonus points if they publish a book outlining their philosophy too
It's not a pick me up though, no one considers the waltons or Rothschild's kids to be incredible legends, they just collect money from their inherited industries in silence. youve just bought a narrative that he's put a lot of pr and money into because like I said he's at his core still a little kid and still needs affirmation
The ambition to be a Christ-like figure is genuine though. Much different from a nepo baby who picked up the guitar 6 months ago and now wants to be seen as an artist. Yes, this legend was created by his father or even further back but great things take generations to build. I want to build a legend for myself I don't care if it's fake.
>he's at his core still a little kid and still needs affirmation
Little kids aren't that charming or personable. It takes maturity to act the fool and engage in socialization in way that picks people up by acting the fool. His 2016 self was the best orator alive. He was moody, had spunk but also goofiness to be personable and likeable
lil bro still licking the outside of the tootsie pop thinking he at the chocolate
I have pretty much solved philosophy at this point. I should have been born a handsome and genius orphan with total devotion to a destructive ideal and die at 33
Wrong. God is more real than your puny reality.
>imagine not pruning frog & jezebel & question begging baiting OPs on sight.
You're a poser. To you Hegel is le spooky esoteric guy that is too complex for the normies. He's just a fashion statement
Getting rich is not realistic for me.
>grown men running around playing in the dirt
no thanks
>math Olympiad
Waste of time.
I don’t understand why there’s this push and psyop to get people to read less and stop expanding their mind. Most people today are already so wired into the screen on short video content, zombies, yet that’s not good enough. Everyone simply must come under the cold boot of capital, to satisfy YOUR conception of the world and to make YOU feel better and like you made the right choices in life. Go frick yourself, you and every moron on the internet who pushes this shit just like the other homosexual OP up right now. I will keep reading fiction and philosophy and dabbing on you with my superior insight and intelligence and you’ll keep being an inferior c**t.
> absolute somehow-dumber-than-OP moron fighting him while sharing the same moronic worldview
Because there's a weird trend of literacy among zoomers that no one predicted and the CIA doesn't like that
It’s just the reactionary pendulum swing. The same reason people push this shit is the same reason they love figures like Andrew Tate and Donald Trump. They can’t help but think along strictly dialectical terms. See, the opposite of contemporary gay female literature is not traditional literature or even masculine literature. It’s actually the total rejection of literature altogether. There is no space for nuance in this line of thinking and you live in a world where the aristocratic minds and bodies have been sidelined for worship of midwits and brute force.
Great post, I see threads like this posted so regularly I'm convinced some alphabet agency has rented out a couple floors of a high rise in NYC somewhere just to post this shit everywhere. It's infuriating. Probably the same clowns who flood IQfy with coombait.
Meds asap
Unironically liking vidyaslop is really sad.
>[x]slop
Not as sad as speaking in meme templates.
Ok vidya trash happy? The thing is at least books are somewhat helpfull but vidya is just mindless entertainment and doesn't do anything for you, in fact they even deteriorate your brain.
there are good (nippon) videogames at the same rate as good books tbh. The problem is that videogames are so recent they're aimed at modern attention spans, so you aren't increasing your attention span like when reading old books, also you aren't learning any history or anything and it just makes you a slave to the current moment.
Hey anon look, another one of these morons
hey dumbfrick, if you truly are this moronic, you do realize that you can read AND have a life at the same time? And that reading (good books, obviously, but that should be redundant) is an actual experience that can help you cultivate your inner world? Your thoughts and core beliefs?
>Stop enjoying things in a way that society does not want you to. Go back to your mouse wheel. Enjoying running. Enjoy chasing after the goals that you don't even care.
No thanks.
I failed life so now I read leave me alone
same
That’s not even realism. It’s just materialism. Knowledge is power, after all.
what will you do when you end up lacking materially
>the only real philosophy
What has any of this thread has to do with philosophy? OP is fricking moronic.
I think OP is conflating philosophy with lifestyle
Everything is fiction, you're literally a midwit.
Not fiction. It's real, only empty (śūnyatā)
bookcels are already a lost cause - they deserve their own suffering
I've thought about this too. The older I get the more reading seems like a massive cope. reading fiction at the very least almost certainly is. Reading is to living life what watching porn is to being in love. You are wasting time you could be spending living life, making friends, learning a skill, falling in love etc. With the fictional lives of other people. When you are old and decrepit you will look back at a youth you spent staring at words on a page and you will see it for what it truly was - shameful
checked. master reality instead of explaining it.
If your understanding of reality and resultant realitymaxxing philosophy is founded on the tenets of social success, the striving for which causes abject misery in most, your understanding of 'reality' is garbage and you should know your place.