Redpill me on how did the Poland Lithuania government worked.

Redpill me on how did the Poland Lithuania government worked.

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Lithuanian nobles ruled, Polish serfs obeyed
    As with any statehood involving Poles

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao what it was the other way around. Szlachta were polish and lithuanian nobles didnt even speak lithuanian lmao

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        My explanation is that Poles are born serfs

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Lithuanian nobles ruled, Polish serfs obeyed
          As with any statehood involving Poles

          Lithuanians were irrelevant. Nobility was made up of Poles and Ruthenians, Lithuanians were Samagotian peasants that no one cared about. Majority of Poles descend from nobility as it was the highest number in Europe.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Modern Poles descend almost exclusively from the serfs. Proven by DNA.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Post the source.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Probably because the Germans made a concrete effort to literally exterminate the entire Polish elite in 1939

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Lithuanian nobles

      There were Polish nobles too in charge.

      My great great grandmother was szlachta.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >There were Polish nobles too in charge.
        Nice fanfiction

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Anon is not Polish
          >Anon is not Lithuanian
          >Nor Belarusian
          >Doesn't know shit about family names in these cultures

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You couldn't be more wrong

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Cкypвиeлeм

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nobles were of both Polish and Lithuanian origin. Most of Lithuanian nobility polonised itself later on.

      >Lithuanian nobles

      There were Polish nobles too in charge.

      My great great grandmother was szlachta.

      Same here, my family stems from Hungarian šľachta (zemania).

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Szlachta ruled like gods, israelites profited and collected the taxes, serfes owned nothing.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >king is elected by nobles
    >whoever can bribe the most nobles wins
    >so in practice the most corrupt nobles become the most powerful and foreign kings are elected often
    >every law has to be voted in unanimously by the nobility
    >everything is vetoed by at least one shitty count who holds 5 acres with 12 sheep on it
    >nothing gets done ever
    >neighbors come in and divide their lands

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    A israelite infested shithole. Should have been destroyed sooner, can't wait for the destruction of muttland too

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Key factors to understand are:
    Land was allodial. The owner had absolute power over their land and did have to pay rent and it was not subjected to any sort of feudal obligation. Poland-Lithuania was never a feudal state.
    Nobility did not equate with economic standing. The richest nobles were magnates who controlled vast territories and armies. The poorest sometimes held no land or if they did had work it themselves. It was possible that a non-noble commoner be wealthier than a noble but did not have the same prestige because the noble title was entirely about prestige and special social rights. At its height more than more than 10% of the population were nobles; more than any other state in Europe.
    Rebellions were legal. A group ,not necessarily of nobles, could rebel at a perceived trespass of royal authority on their own rights. Originally these actually helped rule in a decentralised manner when the king wasn't around but later were heavily abused by magnates who could gather poor nobles to their cause and exact demands on the king.
    The folwark system was their version of serfdom/manoralism. It's basically the same but the important detail to note was how it span out of control especially during the end. King needs help in yet another war > Nobles need money > King increases their rights to exploit peasants and serfs so nobles get money and support him > Repeat. Important caveat is that the situation across all the state was wildly varied, Russian/Ruthenian serfs were very heavily exploited while in Poland less so and in Prussia even less.

    The entire system was very decentralised and relied on the health of nobility to defend and govern. When wealth started to dry up it led to heavy political infighting within the government either for or against the king.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      finally, a good fricking post

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