So.. the xianbeis, who were they? were they turkic? mongolic? and how much impact did they have on china?
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So.. the xianbeis, who were they? were they turkic? mongolic? and how much impact did they have on china?
They closed relate Japanic.
para/proto Huaxia.
Proto-Hunno-Turco-Mongolic that got absorbed into Han Chinese
Tungusic
The Xianbei believed that they descended from a he-wolf and a Xiongnu Chanyu's daughter or daughters. They clearly considered themselves, at least culturally to be Hunnic or Indo-European. There were many Turks and Mongols among their ranks though, perhaps it was just the elites that were Indo-Euro.
>they clearly
You just made this up,none of it is corroborated anywhere
>Our origin myth literally says we consider ourselves Aryans
Can't get any clearer than that chang. Literally the same origin myth story as the Romans but adapted to their culture.
That’s a Turkish origin myth you imbecile
It’s occurring in all Turkish dynasties
There is a reason we say Roman’s and Etruscans were Turks
Proto-Turkic homeland is BMAC. Asiatic genetic turnover only begins after the fall of the Uyghur Khaganate. Everything before that isn't Turks, Mongols, or Chinese.
https://indo-european.eu/2021/05/proto-turkic-homeland/
Frick off your circle jerk echo chamber cope fest is bullshit. I’m tired of btfo’ing you in threads for weeks on end.
Get obliterated as usual Tunguska
Go back to your survive the cuck YouTube channel
Go back to your fantasy Turkish history patreon funded youtube channels
moron
>They clearly considered themselves, at least culturally to be Hunnic or Indo-European.
The Xianbei culturally considered themselves whatever they liked. Like for example: when they ruled Northern China they abandoned everything about their culture and saw themselves as Chinese, obliterating Xianbei identity totally.
Sure, their culture changed when it was suitable. Doesn't change what they believed their own origins to be though, does it.
>how much impact did they have on china?
See
The Xianbei initially had a foothold in China serving the Jin Dynasty (the guys who won the 3 Kingdoms Wars) in a manner similar to Germanic Foederati in Rome. When the Jin weakened in the 300s, the Xianbei armies revolted and crowned themselves Emperors of China, leading to a period of immense destabilization called the Northern & the Southern Dynasties, where China was split into competing Xianbei Dynasties in the North up to the Yangtze and native Han Chinese Dynasties in the South, which fought both each other and themselves in a series of on & off conflicts from the 300s AD-500s AD. It was worse than the chaos of the Three Kingdoms Era (but the deaths were pretty minimal at least)
Politically, the Xianbei pretty much turned Northern China into a chaotic mess of short lived Dynasties founded by Xianbei warlords, who were either toppled by internal rivals, scheming in court, weakened by Southern Dynasties, or invaded & deposed by a new Xianbei tribe from Mongolia. Northern China experienced a brief respite in 400s AD under the powerful Northern Wei Dynasty, founded by the Tabgach Xianbei, but unfortunately it collapsed into infighting between Successors in the 500s AD.
Perhaps the more greater impact of the Xianbei Invasions & Dynasties was in indirect terms: the final death of Chinese feudalism, as destablization destroyed fiefs in Northern & Southern China which made it easy for future Emperors to centralize all land ownership in China by the Sui & Tang Dynasties.
CONTD
Culturally however the impact of the Xianbei was a bit minimal. Xianbei Dynasties were utter Sinoboos to the core and pretty much accepted the Sinocentric view that their native culture was "Barbaric," and so rapidly adopted Chinese culture both in an effort to "civilize" their people and legitimize their reign in China.
At the very most their contributions to Chinese culture were improvements to Chinese cavalry tactics, further additions to the Great Wall's length (ironically enough) and the folk tale of Mulan.
>Sure, their culture changed when it was suitable. Doesn't change what they believed their own origins to be though, does it.
It actually did. During the Wu Hu ("Five Barbarians") Uprising, Xianbei Generals claimed descent from either the Han Dynasty or Liu Bei's family line, and justified their rebellion vs. the Jin as "Restoration of the Han."
The Tuoba Wei memed themselves as related to the Three Kindgoms era Cao Wei Dynasty by claiming that they descended from a Chinese princess that the Cao Clan married to the Xiongnu to seal an alliance.
They're not like the later Mongols or the Manchu who retained bits of their Culture during their reign in China, the Xianbei's Chinese LARP ran deep son.
Shame. Chink history would be much better with Xianbei names
Every single one of these surnames sound better than ching chong ping pong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change_of_Xianbei_names_to_Han_names
>Puliurumu
>Bayasawalanami
>Yanyanwanyan
>Shigishanyan
>Kebochanggan
>Cool
They sound like Filipino candy names lol. I guess even the Xianbei know how silly their names are.
Its also worth noting that we don't even know what the Xianbei called themselves since "Xianbei" is a Chinese ethnonym for the group.
Sounds like Pajeet names. The frick?
Damn, just learnt that even Filipinos have better names than chinks
Modern Filipinos try to give themselves Chinese-sounding names to ape their Chinese Upper Classes but end up having clown names instead like Pongpong Hernandez or some shit.
Pretty sure that BongBong has a native etymology. I've seen a Bambang in Indonesia before, and I wouldn't be surprised if these two share the same origin
Whatever I'd rather die than get named Kengkeng Morales or some shit.
Yeah, multiethnic name is kinda hard to pull right
bong bong is just regular name to chinese. His parents were smart to name that way, makes the chinks think he's one of them
>bong bong is just regular name to chinese.
It is...if you're a dog or a panda that is.
>His parents were smart to name that way, makes the chinks think he's one of them
That would be stupid since Ferdinand was very much pro-America. Plus there was no reason to get closer to China back in the 60's or whenever he was born since China was still fresh off their own civil war and not particularly influential
unlikely, 50% of the chinese population shares 19 last names, so most names go extinct. beside that chinese last names have a tendency to shorten itself to one syallable. Even if it survives that, it prob won't survive Ming dynasty's sinification policy.
>destroyed feudalism
elaborate?
From what I can tell, their biggest contribution was the militarization of northern china and the cultivation of a Northern military aristocracy which would have a huge influence on later Tang expansionism and cosmopolitanism. Mulan and her story belonged to one of this hereditary military households
but xiongnus are turkic tho?
Proto-Hunno-Turco-Mongolics that got divided into 2 by the Han dynasty, the Northern part moved West and became the Huns (some of them became Hungarians that are Magyars from Central Asia as well) that collapsed Roman Empire, the South submitted to the Han dynasty, some moved South to destroy the Western Jin when led by the Xiongnu Liu Yuan that a was descendant of Han dynasty princess and wanted to restore the Han dynasty, eventually these Xiongnu got absorbed into the Han Chinese. Those who stayed in the Steppes later became the Turks and the Mongols.
We Wuz Changs
Literally Turks.
Turkics
Originally they were mostly Mongolic. After conquering the Xiongnu and succeeding them on the Eastern Steppe, they incorporated many of the remaining Hunno-Turkics. These heterogenous "Xianbei" tribes then played a big role during the Northern Kingdoms period.
Really?
Northern Chinese are phenotypically and culturally different from southern Chinese. They are Turks.
They eat more beef and steak. They eat wheat. They are taller and have more sharp features. Women have bigger breasts.
Beifan
Turks are just one of many and not even the earliest. The Shang called everyone outside their realm in Henan barbarians. The middle kingdom was defined by being surrounded by these people. It's safe to say that every chink living outside that area is Sinicized barbarians. The Qin and Chu states that laid the foundation of Imperial China were considered semi-barbarians
Honestly it's kinda impressive how successive Chinese imperial dynasty sinicized these people so thoroughly that they aren't even aware of it. Although I guess it easier for asian to do that since they all rook same. It would be harder to convince a blond blue eyed Germanic and a swarthy North African that they have always been a pure and unified people for 5000 years
Northern Chinese tend to eat wheat in general because it suits the climate better.
The OG Chinese farmed millet & wheat, you dumb roach. If you look up Chinese ancient/early imperial records, they barely mention rice, and tend to refer to millet & wheat grains.
Ricehomosexualry came much later after the full conquest of the South in the Later Han-Northern/Southern Dynasties Era.
There are some Xianbei samples from Kazakhstan and Mongolia.