>pederasty was widespread in most pre-Christian societies, so historians claim that homosexuality was historically prevalent and accepted
>sociologists and other academics now say that attraction to male youths isn't actually homosexual
Does that mean history wasn't actually that gay?
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That's because modern gay apologists are morons.
Pederasty is for warrior societies. If you want to have a warrior like society then maybe it’s needed.
>Muh warrior soiciety
>Requires homosexual relation with young boys
yeah. Something seems wrong here
Meant to say "relations" but the point still stands.
>"Two historians of the Late Empire who wrote after the triumph of Christianity expressed disgust that Germanic tribes practiced pederasty. Ammianus Marcellinus (c. 380 A.D.) mentioned the Taifales, among whom a boy continued in a passive relationship until he slew a bear or boar (Gothic Wars, 2.14). Procopius (c. 550) cited the Heruls, amongst whom youths remained douloi (slaves), presumably sexually available for an adult warrior, and fought without shields until they proved their courage (History, 31, 9. 5)."
You can find similar accounts like this across all warrior societies in history, there seems to be a pattern. However it's important to note that the warriors never got penetrated, but rather usually only did the penetrating, specifically to young males.
>Kill a bear or we're going to frick you in the ass until you do
Well that explains why bears are nearly extinct in Europe
>presumably sexually available for an adult warrior
Big reach here.
It's just a coming of age ritual and Tacitus says homosexuality is punished by death.
Right. Because all Germanic tribes were exactly the same across hundreds of years just because they spoke a similar language.
>presumably
If academics base their evidence on "presumably", I can base my evidence on Tactics explicitly saying homosexuality is a crime in Germania in general.
Pederasty in ancient societies was ritual initiation as pointed out. Moderns don't understand this because we haven't had a need for warrior societies like we used to for a very long time, so the ritual significance of the practice has long since been forgotten and is now alien to us. We look at the practice and think "lol they were gay" when it had nothing to do with that.
>They were having gay sex but it was actually just an initiation ritual, totally not gay bro
You know how many frat guys have made that exact same excuse?
If the toes face away, it's not gay.
The power of male ritual elders in all societies, including ours today, is that of approval. Giving special attention to the sexuality of young men meant approving their most primal energy, which made them better warriors.
explain why it's needed and should be on a warrior culture and how it worked and why it wouldn't be gay, if you can't seems reasonable to call you a homosexual moron
It was explained here
No, that just said old men ruled over the rest, nothing about pederasty nor homosexual behaviour, it's common sense and related to the smallest tribe there is, which is the family, that elder men guide the rest
>No, that just said old men ruled over the rest
Learn to read, moron. That's not all that was said there.
>Giving special attention to the sexuality of young men meant approving their most primal energy, which made them better warriors.
no need to be gay with their sexuality and it is not explained why should be, so no, you're wrong, homosexual
That's not being gay. It was about approving young men's primal energy in a deeper sense in order for them to fully let loose in battle, which was a more violent frenzy than it is today due to differences in technology.
I don't know what intercrural sex has to do with approving of young mens sexual energy.
That type of speeching kind of sounds like BAPism if they were open about the weird homoeroticism they have going on.
not explained why it was needed the homosexualry aka anal sex with XY individuals to achieve that, homosexual moron
>sociologists and other academics
should be chained together and thrown into the ocean
pol pot was right
>”the ancient Greeks were very accepting of gay relationships and even accepted pederastry!”
>mfw in Athens being accused of having gay sex was enough to revoke your right to vote and teachers who kept their students over night were executed on just the suspicion that they molested the boys
>mfw all the specific examples of gay relationships are just pointing to two Greek guys basically saying “he was my best friend” and then projecting an entire gay fantasy onto them
Why are hackstorians like this?
Have you gotten around to reading the Symposium yet?
>Have you gotten around to reading the writings of a degenerate intellectual hated by conservative Athenian society yet
>Plato
Are you talking about the guy who wrote a book about the virtues of fricking boys?
Meant for:
But then his daddy got killed for being a gay, and he changed his mind totally honestly and genuinely, and left the country for unrelated reasons.
There are several examples of gay relationships in Anabasis.
Two millennia later, israelites still mad.
and other academics now say that attraction to male youths isn't actually homosexual
homie, you know why they say that, and it’s not because they genuinely believe it.
If pedastry was so widespread in Ancient Greece why did Plato think it should be punished with death?
>attraction to having sex isn't as homosexual as we once thought.
If I ever want a laugh just read something intellectuals are arguing about.
what did they do to that dog?
must be something historical, or maybe op was thinking this was hysterical board.
The dog is apparently female, so there is thankfully a chance of nothing. It was only a witness to their deeds.
There's a pronounced difference between lusting after 17 year olds and lusting after 9 year olds. The ancient greeks weren't diddling toddlers.
wtf point are you even trying to make?
that the ancient world engaging in pederasty is a different phenomenon than what scientists today say, that attraction to children isn't homosexuality.
I mean, sure, but you know full-well that 17 wasn't the youngest they were going. More like 14.
But to be fair to them, that was also standard for heterosexuals in Europe until relatively recently.
I'm not an expert on the topic but as far as I can tell, a lot of these cultures that supposedly were accepting of homosexuality weren't really - two adult men (or women) being a couple wasn't viewed as acceptable
First premise is false. There existing degenerates here and there doesnt make whole civilizations sodomitic, which is what they like to imply for propaganada purposes.
First century roman philosopher Musonius Rufus:
'But of all sexual relations those involving adultery are most unlawful, and no more tolerable are those of men with men, because it is a monstrous thing and contrary to nature.'
So, basic morality.
Kek his first name was Gaius.
Gaius Musonius Rufus.
He was wrong about it being contrary to nature tho
This was an era before condoms, and before basic healthcare.
Imagine exposing an open wound to excrement. Thats how abhorrent this stuff is.
This is also untrue
Sheep intestine condoms date back to ancient Egypt
You people can't help but think of butsecks whenever anyone mentions gays. Mouths and hands exist too, you know. Apparantly the ancient gays were also fond of thigh-fricking.
teleology is irrelevant to discussions of nature, so that makes him doubly wrong.
No he wasn’t
Contra naturam is referring to teleology
The word nature meaning “found in the natural world” is relatively new
The Syrian Pagan Lucian makes fun of Greeks for being gay.
Honestly I don't even fricking give a shit anymore. Like, all I wanted to do was make out with my high school councilor and obviously I didn't get that, so now I'm just extremely bitter towards gay people altogether. I hate gay people, and I can and will go back in time to personally burn Thebes down and shit on the burning bodies like an ATF agent.
(satire)
damn that pic goes hard. Can I screenshot it?
you sure can man
and other academics now say that attraction to male youths isn't actually homosexual
Who exactly says that, and based on what evidence?
Also, "sociology" isnt a hard science. Their opinions arent worth taking as fact.
you're just noticing now the homosexual shit is a psyop?