Its quite funny how they are.
The actual foundational legend says that the Incans descend from a kinslayer that only lived because he killed his siblings while the other two got killed.
Seriously, its funny how the mestizo Garcilazo basically created a new foundational myth that was far less humilliating that the current Inca descendants prefer it because it doesn't make them look like pussies
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Not everyone here is peruvian, quispe. What are the myths? Greentext them.
One talks about the 4 brothers, all named Ayar and each with their own wife/sister(or mother) so the tale came to be know as the legend of the "Ayar siblings", these siblings came to exist in a cave not far from Cusco called Tambotoco from which they begun their journey.
While the other legend (pretty much only acknowledged by Inca Garcilaso de la Vega) talks about a couple of married siblings called Manco Inca and Mama Ollco, who came to settle Cusco from further away Titicaca island (nowadays called the Island of the Sun in the lake that came to acquire the same name)
Here I found a resume of Betanzos' version (Ayar siblings) you can read, https://www.machupicchu.org/the_ayar_brothers_legend.htm , if you can read Spanish is always better to find the original.
And in my personal opinion, Sarmiento de Gamboa's version (which is also about the Ayar siblings) would be the best as it was drafted from a lot of sources (including 100 quipucamayoc) and agreed as veridic upon a council of 42 Inca ayllu heads of the royal capaccuna in Cusco
>*including over 100 quipucamayoc
Basically there were 4 bothers at the start of the journey, Ayar Manco (Manco Capac), Ayar Auca, Ayar Cache, and Ayar Uchu, and by the end only Manco Capac remained, as for how they died, depending on the variations of the legend, Ayar Cache was trapped in a cave (by his brothers who were afraid of how powerful he had become), Ayar Uchu supposedly turned into the huaca stone of Huanacauri mountain, extremely significant for Inca religion (like for the capac raymi, the quicochicu, the warachicu, the rutuchicu, and the ayuscay), Betanzos says he grew wings a bit before that, and Ayar Auca just died (or flew to Cusco and became and stone boundary)
About a decade ago, Cusco historians declared the legend of the Ayar brothers to be the original legend thou
Anyways, in the legend of the "Ayar siblings" the bravest warrior and leading force of the group is Mama Huaco (or Guaco), a cunning and cruel chieftain, as well as a tactician and sorceress, she is pretty much the biggest shot in the story.
In the most detailed version, she is one of the 4 leaders of the band of Inca migrants that finally settled in Cusco together with Manco Capac, Cinchi Roca, and Manco Sapaca, being the only woman among the leaders. Manco's brothers are more like allegories (as much of the legend probably is) and if they were real at least for sure they wouldn't have had those names in life. Ayar comes from aya which means soul/ghost or in this case ancestor, so names like Ayar Cachi and Ayar Uchu can be literally translated to Ancestor Salt and Ancestor Chilli pepper.
Some authors put Mama Huaco as the first Coya (Queen) rather than Mama Ocllo (such as Guaman Poma, who also said she governed more than her husband), in other accounts, they are the same person "Huaco Ocllo".
While Huaco is portrayed as a fierce warrior woman, Ollco is more like the perfect housewife. Whatever the case, in all accounts Huaco or "Huaco Ocllo" is an extremely important character in the conquest of pre-Incaic Cusco (sometimes called Acamama). She is the one who takes the lead in the conquest and usually imposes her opinion on Manco Capac.
For example, soon after entering the Cusco valley, in an unruly village, armed with a stone tied to a rope, Huaco charged against the Guaylas people killing one from which she opened his chest, took his lungs, and blew them (probably similar to how shamans nowadays do it with llama lungs), driving the rest of them away (here's Sarmiento version of the event).
Near the Sawasiray mountain that is in the direction of the Antisuyo, a similar story of the Alcaviza (relatives of the Guaylas) was recorded about how Mama Huaco, using this time a piece of gold tied to a rope, drove them to the most desolate parts of the mountain
>And that Mama Huaco, in the time of the said Mango Capa, came to the seat of Sauasiray, Mama Huaco began to do great cruelties to the indians with a rope in which she had a piece of gold tied, with which she killed the indians, and Sauasiray, seeing the said cruelties and the ferocity and bravery of this woman, fled to the wilderness.
Murúa tells that Mama Huaco was the one who forced her brother with insults and abuses to return to the cave where his brothers planned to lock him up.
Mama Huaco is also credited by Sarmiento with throwing two golden rods, one sinking in Cusco where they decided to finally settle.
>After this, they remained in Matagua for two years, intending to go to the upper valley in search of good and fertile land. Mama Huaco, who was very strong and skilled, took two gold staffs and threw them toward the north. One covered a distance of about two shots of a harquebus [and entered] a fallow field called Colcabamba. It did not sink in well because the earth was loose and not terraced. In this way they knew that the land was not fertile. The other one reached farther toward Cuzco and sank well into the territory they call Huanaypata, and so they knew the land was fertile. Others say that Manco Capac conducted this test with the gold staff he carried with him. They knew the land was fertile when he sank it with one thrust into an area called Huanaypata, two shots of a harquebus from Cuzco. Because the top soil of the land was thick and dense, it stuck to the staff in such a way that he could not pull it out.
Guaman Poma on Manco Capac:
>This first Inca Manco Capac did not have a known father; for that reason it was said that he was the child of the Sun, Intip Churin Quillap Uauan. But actually his mother was Mama Huaco. They say that this woman was a great deceiver, idolater, sorceress, who spoke with the demons of the inferno and performed ceremonies and witchcraft.
>So this woman was the original inventor of the huacas, idols, witchcraft and enchantments, and that was how she deceived the Indians. First she deceived the Indians of Cuzco which she held under her control because these Indians thought it a miracle that a woman would speak with stones, crags and hills. For that reason Mama Huaco was obeyed and served, and she was called the coya of Cuzco. They say she slept with all the men of the town whom she liked. This deception lasted many years, according to the Indian elders.
>... and she found out by divination with the devil that she was pregnant with a son, and the devil told her to give birth and not to show the child to the people but to give him to a nurse named Pillco Ziza. The devil ordered her to take the child to a place called Tambotoco and leave him there with food for two years. After that it was to be proclaimed that out of Pacaritambo had come a capac apo Inca king named Manco Capac, child of the Sun and of the Sun’s wife the Moon and brother of the Morning Star. His god was to be Huanacauri. This king was to rule the land and be capac apo Inca like them. This was decided and ordered by the huaca vilca [deities], who are the demons of Cuzco.
>This Inca had no land, no town of his own, nor did he have a father or lineage. They say that his mother was worldly and a sorceress, the first one to start serving and conferring with demons. It is a lie that he could be the child of the Sun and the Moon at thirteen degrees in the sky which is in the highest part of the sky.
on the first Coya:
>The first account of the queens, wives of the Inca kings, begins with the one named Mama Huaco. She was beautiful and her whole body was dark and well formed [morena de todo el cuerpo y de buen talle]. They say she was a great sorceress, according to accounts of her life. It is said she spoke to devils. This lady made stones and boulders speak — huacas, idols. From this woman sprang Inca kings. They say that her father was not known nor was the father of her son, Manco Capac Inca, but rather she was the daughter of the sun and the moon, and she married her eldest son, Manco Capac Inca. For her marriage, they say she asked her father the sun for a dowry; he gave it to her, and mother and son were married.
>Mama Huaco, coya, had a pink garment and her topos, pins, were large and of silver.
>This lady imbued all her children, grandchildren and descendants with the law of the devil. Still she was very friendly with gentlemen and other people. She governed more than her husband Manco Capac Inca; the whole city of Cuzco obeyed and respected her throughout her life because with the power of devils she worked miracles never seen by man. She spoke with boulders and stones as if they were people. With that this lady ended her days.
>She was very beautiful, knowledgeable and did much good for the poor people of the city of Cuzco and the kingdom. For this reason the government of her husband grew rather well; he ruled in Cuzco and its vicinity.
>They say that this woman was a great deceiver, idolater, sorceress, who spoke with the demons of the inferno and performed ceremonies and witchcraft.
This must be a post-conquest addittion right? I don't know how inca religion worked much but I never imagined them as the type of people to have a word for idolatry in quechua.
Of course, Guaman Poma was an Indian but he was a Christian as well, not to mention he claimed to be a Wari descendant (he belonged to the Yarowillka who were influenced by Wari) and that Incas were just usurpers but just to be sure he mentions to have some Inca ancestry through Tupac Yupanqui
The injuns were so fricking cool man. I can't believe they didn't stick around. Just missed them 🙁
The kinslayer is a universal foundation mythos. Romulus killing Remulus which leads to the building of Rome. Cain kills Abel and then builds a city.
Cain and abel seems like a weird inversion of the trope. Like david a goliath actually.
How so? Seems perfectly in line with the pattern to me
Its important to remember that the inca were just a minor and completely non-homogenous or centralised culture. The rumours about some major, centralised empire were just made up by the spaniards and the locals.
Hard to believe, state you case.
Big if true
All of this is reminding me of the story of romulus and remus in an eerie way
It's a common mythic theme, but it does get eerie once you see how much they repeat in the creation of great empires and dynasties. The gokturks for example I'm pretty sure also have an origin story involving a she wolf.
Well I agree that's not exactly what inversion means, but my point (badly expressed) was that cain did not make a great empire or have a long lasting legacy after this, instead, he was cursed. Essentially that it didn't go how it usually goes.
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