Suicide is a sin, and not some laudable act. However, I think the mental fortitude he possessed to be able to meditate under such a circumstance is quite impressive.
He didn't even scream while he was burning. How does someone even get that level of self control? How could you possibly prepare or practice for the agony of self immolation?
As a way of suicide - dangerous, painful, unreliable.
As the political statement - pointless, spectaclious, unconvincing.
Instead of burning themselves, should have caught a state official or even a policeman and burn one alive. This would make the message much louder.
Oppic is a kind of a nonviolent protest
Even so, violence in protest against the war makes perfect sense. In the relations of power over people and resources it is impossible to talk sense into the heads of the leaders who call the shots. The only way to make them change their minds is organised retaliatory violence.
Demand for nonviolence for the anti-war movement was enforced by both Western reformists (like Rudi Dutschke and MLK) and soviet leadership (which had influence on parties all over the world and was promoting United Front electoral strategy, resulting in expelling militants out of mainstream communist movement of the first world, not just anti-war movement).
>This would make the message much louder.
They would've been written off as communist-sympathisers and purged. The South Vietnamese government was dominated by Catholics who already had a grudge against Buddhists and would've leaped on any excuse.
>They would've been written off as communist-sympathisers and purged
South Vietnam has already been writing off killed Buddhists as Vietcong victims. And whatever was happening was causing even greater sympathy among civilians towards VC. It's a lose-lose situation, except in one case your act might actually launch a chain of events that has a chance of positive change (that would be escalation of civil war) and in another you end up with several dead bodies completely at the will of incompetent or hostile government (the path of nonviolent protest)
>except in one case your act might actually launch a chain of events that has a chance of positive change
The self-immolation of Buddhist monks did significantly greater damage to the Diem regime than setting policemen alight would've done, the Buddhist crisis itself is the main reason Lodge got the wiggle room he needed to give the greenlight to a coup by anti-Diem military officers in South Vietnam.
>troony chops off his wiener
LMAO, look at this mentally ill loser mutilating himself! troony ideology is an evil virus. >buddhist schizoid neet starves and sets himself on fire
OMG SO BASED! YAAAASSS SHOW THEM MASTER! Now this is someone who deserves respect. Truly a higher calling, much better than this godless nihilistic modernist culture...
There's difference between self-mutilation because of your psychological troubles and suffering body harm for the greater cause. One thing is insanity that should be treated in a hospital in the way similar to that of BDD patients. Another thing is heroism, devotion, fanaticism - things people of postmodern culture don't really understand
Literally completely wrong in every regard - there is no greater cause here, Buddhism is just "you suffer and need to make yourself stop suffering" and this immolation is to demonstrate how much you can resist suffering. They do not die for a higher cause, they renounce all attachments and illusory purposes. They are not any different from trannies except in their presentation, and Buddhism is indeed insanity that should be treated in a hospital.
>there is no greater cause here
There is. Buddhists were under pressure of South Vietnamese government which was mostly made of Catholics. Self immolation was meant to attract attention to the unsolved problems in South Vietnam. >They do not die for a higher cause, they renounce all attachments and illusory purposes.
That's why militant Japanese nobility used to admire Zen, huh.
Rather, you are obsessed with chuds and neurotically compelled to attack them whenever you think they are present. If you pay really close attention, you will see my post was actually mocking them in the first place.
>there is no greater cause here
There is. Buddhists were under pressure of South Vietnamese government which was mostly made of Catholics. Self immolation was meant to attract attention to the unsolved problems in South Vietnam. >They do not die for a higher cause, they renounce all attachments and illusory purposes.
That's why militant Japanese nobility used to admire Zen, huh.
For political purposes I am indifferent, my critique is directed at the general Buddhist practice of horrifically torturing and killing yourself(all while being a parasite on society), which shows that this ideology is obviously barbaric and malicious.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There has been Christian self immolative practices in the past.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, Abrahamists are also a disgusting death cult.
It sounds like the most painful way to go short of deliberate torture
highly gommunist
Seems politically complicated, but one thing I know for sure is that I wouldn't do it under any circumstances.
Suicide is a sin, and not some laudable act. However, I think the mental fortitude he possessed to be able to meditate under such a circumstance is quite impressive.
that is probably the greatest photo ever taken
Absolutely unambiguously bad-fricking-ass.
He didn't even scream while he was burning. How does someone even get that level of self control? How could you possibly prepare or practice for the agony of self immolation?
monks in general are well known for extreme amount of self control
He practiced with matches and gradually worked his way up to full body burning
but wouldn't that build up tolerance so he wouldn't burn away? Like how everyone knows you have a nice day with smaller bullets to resist big bullets
he didn't even react to the fire burning his body. guess all is nothing but just faint concepts afterall.
The trick is not minding that it hurts.
Based if you take others with you.
Like if you do the wicker man like Caesar said the druids did, but you climb in with everybody else and light it?
Probably the most badass form of suicide
>"Let them burn and we shall clap our hands.”
>“If the Buddhists wish to have another barbecue, I will be glad to supply the gasoline and a match.”
>He burned himself to the hellfire.
As a way of suicide - dangerous, painful, unreliable.
As the political statement - pointless, spectaclious, unconvincing.
Instead of burning themselves, should have caught a state official or even a policeman and burn one alive. This would make the message much louder.
>protesting a war with an act of violence
It's an act of non-violent protest actually, at least non-violence towards others.
Oppic is a kind of a nonviolent protest
Even so, violence in protest against the war makes perfect sense. In the relations of power over people and resources it is impossible to talk sense into the heads of the leaders who call the shots. The only way to make them change their minds is organised retaliatory violence.
Demand for nonviolence for the anti-war movement was enforced by both Western reformists (like Rudi Dutschke and MLK) and soviet leadership (which had influence on parties all over the world and was promoting United Front electoral strategy, resulting in expelling militants out of mainstream communist movement of the first world, not just anti-war movement).
>This would make the message much louder.
They would've been written off as communist-sympathisers and purged. The South Vietnamese government was dominated by Catholics who already had a grudge against Buddhists and would've leaped on any excuse.
>They would've been written off as communist-sympathisers and purged
South Vietnam has already been writing off killed Buddhists as Vietcong victims. And whatever was happening was causing even greater sympathy among civilians towards VC. It's a lose-lose situation, except in one case your act might actually launch a chain of events that has a chance of positive change (that would be escalation of civil war) and in another you end up with several dead bodies completely at the will of incompetent or hostile government (the path of nonviolent protest)
>except in one case your act might actually launch a chain of events that has a chance of positive change
The self-immolation of Buddhist monks did significantly greater damage to the Diem regime than setting policemen alight would've done, the Buddhist crisis itself is the main reason Lodge got the wiggle room he needed to give the greenlight to a coup by anti-Diem military officers in South Vietnam.
>troony chops off his wiener
LMAO, look at this mentally ill loser mutilating himself! troony ideology is an evil virus.
>buddhist schizoid neet starves and sets himself on fire
OMG SO BASED! YAAAASSS SHOW THEM MASTER! Now this is someone who deserves respect. Truly a higher calling, much better than this godless nihilistic modernist culture...
There's difference between self-mutilation because of your psychological troubles and suffering body harm for the greater cause. One thing is insanity that should be treated in a hospital in the way similar to that of BDD patients. Another thing is heroism, devotion, fanaticism - things people of postmodern culture don't really understand
Literally completely wrong in every regard - there is no greater cause here, Buddhism is just "you suffer and need to make yourself stop suffering" and this immolation is to demonstrate how much you can resist suffering. They do not die for a higher cause, they renounce all attachments and illusory purposes. They are not any different from trannies except in their presentation, and Buddhism is indeed insanity that should be treated in a hospital.
>there is no greater cause here
There is. Buddhists were under pressure of South Vietnamese government which was mostly made of Catholics. Self immolation was meant to attract attention to the unsolved problems in South Vietnam.
>They do not die for a higher cause, they renounce all attachments and illusory purposes.
That's why militant Japanese nobility used to admire Zen, huh.
>thread about self-immolation
>TRANNIES TRANNIES TRANNIES
Get help
>notorious case of self-harm based on ideology of death
>notorious case of self-harm based on ideology of death
What is your problem?
You're obsessed with trannies.
No.
Rather, you are obsessed with chuds and neurotically compelled to attack them whenever you think they are present. If you pay really close attention, you will see my post was actually mocking them in the first place.
For political purposes I am indifferent, my critique is directed at the general Buddhist practice of horrifically torturing and killing yourself(all while being a parasite on society), which shows that this ideology is obviously barbaric and malicious.
There has been Christian self immolative practices in the past.
Yes, Abrahamists are also a disgusting death cult.
>atheism
>morality
Pick one
I pick neither.
So you're a gay. Congratz.
This guy
is someone else for some reason, I pick atheism.
>for some reason
Welcome to IQfy, newbie.
No.