The walls werent meant to keep them out, they were there to make it much more difficult to cart all the booty back to their lands. Hard to get livestock over walls anon. Also slow them down so an army could assemble to chase them
There is also a theory that it was made not to keep anyone out, but to keep the Brigantes federation(the largest Britonic people under Roman rule) in, and to control the communication and trade pathways between them, and the ludicrously warlike tribes up north.
Also, look at pic related, red dots are pre-Roman Britonic forts, look at how much they are concentrated just above what would later become Hadrians Wall.
Historiography is actually not sure why and how the concentration of hillforts and iron age fortifications in general in Britain is the way it is, because geographically it makes little sense to be so, some tribes were incredibly defensive and some weren't apparently, and it follows no rule of region or relief, just randomly pulled lines and blobs of forts at first glance.
It is possible there is some survivor bias at play here, especially considering the most dense of the areas with red dots that you posted was inhabited by later allies of Rome.
Something doesn't add up, or it does, but we aren't seeing it.
There is also a theory that it was made not to keep anyone out, but to keep the Brigantes federation(the largest Britonic people under Roman rule) in, and to control the communication and trade pathways between them, and the ludicrously warlike tribes up north.
Also, look at pic related, red dots are pre-Roman Britonic forts, look at how much they are concentrated just above what would later become Hadrians Wall.
Something very curious imo.
I am pleased with these interesting theories, and as a result I may delay the execution of you and your families.
Yup. Walls don't really do a good job of stopping people. But they do slow people down and make raiding very hard. Givee the romans a chance to catch up and put heads on spikes lol. God I love the romans.
The wall was there to keep the Romans *in*
Hadrian served his youth in foreign wars, specially in Dacia, and grew to despise them, as they were destructive, expensive and eventually pointless (Roman conquest left a power vacuum, other tribes moved in the area, which had to be fought too)
Hadrian had a vision of a Mediterranean community of peoples, subjugating some mountain people in a frozen shithole was the opposite of his designs
He drew the line to say, no further
The wall was there to keep people out and anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.
Immediately after the wall was built and during the Romans cleared all the communities North of the wall to the south. There's no reason they would have done this other than to make a frontier where no invasions could easily take place.
Agricola conquered all of them, and moronic Roman politics prevented him from consolidating it all.
Hadrian put the nail in the corpses of the Roman soldiers there when he built that wall, because the wall was meant to control both sides of the wall, since the tribes on both sides depended on trade with each other, and now they had to travel through designated Roman chokepoints/gateways,
Hadrian fricked both Romans in Britain, and Britons in Britain, all to fill state coffers.
moron the article is just to give info on which tribe is bwing talked about, not sourcing a claim
>Roman politics prevented him from consolidating it all.
The only source is one single book written to praise him.
We know that he circumnavigated Scotland and we know from both sources and archaeology that his legions reached basically all corners of the region.
The Caledonians were overrun, and dude was in middle of planning another invasion(to where it is debated, either Ireland or that northernmost island group of Scotland) when he was ordered back
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The Caledonians were overrun,
He barely conquered half of the country and couldn't figure out how to take the islands or Highlands so utterly failed
2 years ago
Anonymous
> He barely conquered half of the country and couldn't figure out how to take the islands or Highlands so utterly failed
By that argument the Romans lost the Cantabrian War, ...until they didn't.
>Then why was one of the main tribes in the region, always on friendly terms with Rome, never recorded as warring against Rome, left outside the wall?
Maybe they told the Romans they didn't want to move. You don't have to go along with everything Rome does to be friendly with them.
The walls werent meant to keep them out, they were there to make it much more difficult to cart all the booty back to their lands. Hard to get livestock over walls anon. Also slow them down so an army could assemble to chase them
There is also a theory that it was made not to keep anyone out, but to keep the Brigantes federation(the largest Britonic people under Roman rule) in, and to control the communication and trade pathways between them, and the ludicrously warlike tribes up north.
Also, look at pic related, red dots are pre-Roman Britonic forts, look at how much they are concentrated just above what would later become Hadrians Wall.
Something very curious imo.
> Also, look at pic related, red dots
lol, wtf is wrong with Picts/Scots/whateverthefricklivedthere?
Did they fricking raid each other so much that they divided each other along every individual hillside lol?
La Tene?
yes
Interesting. Where did you hear this theory? Makes sense though. Awe the rabble with yr big stone forts and sheit
> Where did you hear this theory?
I've read it, in a book.
Historiography is actually not sure why and how the concentration of hillforts and iron age fortifications in general in Britain is the way it is, because geographically it makes little sense to be so, some tribes were incredibly defensive and some weren't apparently, and it follows no rule of region or relief, just randomly pulled lines and blobs of forts at first glance.
It is possible there is some survivor bias at play here, especially considering the most dense of the areas with red dots that you posted was inhabited by later allies of Rome.
Something doesn't add up, or it does, but we aren't seeing it.
I am pleased with these interesting theories, and as a result I may delay the execution of you and your families.
Caesar is most magnanimous
Yup. Walls don't really do a good job of stopping people. But they do slow people down and make raiding very hard. Givee the romans a chance to catch up and put heads on spikes lol. God I love the romans.
>Yup. Walls don't really do a good job of stopping people.
Hello /r/eddit.
Hello u/electiontourist
You have to go back, to your country.
The wall was there to keep the Romans *in*
Hadrian served his youth in foreign wars, specially in Dacia, and grew to despise them, as they were destructive, expensive and eventually pointless (Roman conquest left a power vacuum, other tribes moved in the area, which had to be fought too)
Hadrian had a vision of a Mediterranean community of peoples, subjugating some mountain people in a frozen shithole was the opposite of his designs
He drew the line to say, no further
Peak subhuman knowledge of geography. human
you couldn't grow wheat in those regions so they didnt bother expanding any further.
They feared the Pictish warrior
The wall was there to keep people out and anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.
Immediately after the wall was built and during the Romans cleared all the communities North of the wall to the south. There's no reason they would have done this other than to make a frontier where no invasions could easily take place.
> The wall was there to keep people out and anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.
Then why was one of the main tribes in the region, always on friendly terms with Rome, never recorded as warring against Rome, left outside the wall?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votadini
while two other tribes, one of which were basically cousins with the Brigantes, also remained outside, but with fort presence;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selgovae
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novantae
Agricola conquered all of them, and moronic Roman politics prevented him from consolidating it all.
Hadrian put the nail in the corpses of the Roman soldiers there when he built that wall, because the wall was meant to control both sides of the wall, since the tribes on both sides depended on trade with each other, and now they had to travel through designated Roman chokepoints/gateways,
Hadrian fricked both Romans in Britain, and Britons in Britain, all to fill state coffers.
>Wikipedia
moron the article is just to give info on which tribe is bwing talked about, not sourcing a claim
We know that he circumnavigated Scotland and we know from both sources and archaeology that his legions reached basically all corners of the region.
The Caledonians were overrun, and dude was in middle of planning another invasion(to where it is debated, either Ireland or that northernmost island group of Scotland) when he was ordered back
>The Caledonians were overrun,
He barely conquered half of the country and couldn't figure out how to take the islands or Highlands so utterly failed
> He barely conquered half of the country and couldn't figure out how to take the islands or Highlands so utterly failed
By that argument the Romans lost the Cantabrian War, ...until they didn't.
(you)
>Roman politics prevented him from consolidating it all.
The only source is one single book written to praise him.
>Then why was one of the main tribes in the region, always on friendly terms with Rome, never recorded as warring against Rome, left outside the wall?
Maybe they told the Romans they didn't want to move. You don't have to go along with everything Rome does to be friendly with them.
> Maybe they told the Romans they didn't want to move. You don't have to go along with everything Rome does to be friendly with them.
The point was the the wall could have been constructed north of said tribe, but it wasn't.
> (you)
what?
On this picture it looks like south and north korea
the picts built it to keep the judeo-romans out
We didn't
No, he was scared of picts.
Why is this thread full of schizos?
Why are YOU full of schizos?
No prostitution
Virtually no adultery
No slavery
Average height 6ft1
Little to no wars
But somehow Rome monkeys say we were savage
>we
WUZ KANGZ
WE WUZ CIVILIZED N SHEIIIIT
NEVUH CONKAWD
WE
WUZ
Does anyone have the original version of this pic?
I just want the Roman twink by himself.
Couldn't find that exact pose but here's a list of all the images of the twink himself
>https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=taavi
>stares
Wait I recognize that art, I follow the artist on Hentai Foundry.
>scared
Dont rely on the unlikeliness of your opponent attacking, rely on your position being unassailable.
Invading Britain was the biggest mistake Rome ever did
>Invading Britain was the biggest mistake Rome ever did
Close second, first was not exterminating Judea at first contact.
biggest mistake was not properly defending the Rhine