You hear a lot about anti-Irish sentiment from the civil war period onwards but very little about anti-Welsh. Was the idea of 'Welsh' people anachronistic when we're talking about Civil War-Victorian Era because they, legally, were part of England?
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Civil War as in the English one, by the way.
the Victorians literally banned the Welsh language
search up the Treachery of the Blue Books
Welsh language was illegal to teach and write in, though so was Gaelic in Scotland by 1613.
Gaelic was never some pan-Scottish language though. May have been imposed by Lowlanders or the elites of both Scotland and Wales who felt a pressure to Anglicise
>Gaelic was never some pan-Scottish language though.
Yes it was? Even the earliest Scottish writers say this and it was spread across all of Scotland until the 1000s.
Wales and England are the best of friends since time immemorial.
Why would you let your best bro speak a language you can’t understand? Makes perfect sense to ban it so we can become friends. 1000 years of friendship and happiness is worth it.
The quads don’t lie. Luv me Anglo-Saxon neighbours.
t. Welsh breggsiteer
Behold, a product of English and Welsh inbreeding. Not even her porridge wog genes can bring her down.
luv me corned beef pie
luv me welsh cakes
based brotherhood
t. yank britmutt
Do you know anything about Welsh history?
There is no "based brotherhood" you fricking idiot. Why are you commenting on Welsh history when you know nothing about it? Look up the nursery rhyme "Taffy was a Welshman" if you want to know how the fricking bongs felt about the Welsh.
>a stupid nursery rhyme is his evidence of sweeping vicious anti-Welsh sentiment
>conflates the English with "bongs" (British)
Why the frick should anyone take you seriously again?
yep its an americel
Ameirmutts are the ones who conflate British with English, moron. The Welsh are British and probably have a greater claim to that word than the English, seeing as how Britain/Briton/British was associated with them the most in the medieval era.
See
I grew up in Capel Celyn, look it up.
So your notion of 'British' denoting the English alone amounts to some wishy washy personal definition of the word. moronic taff.
Before you start calling people moronic, maybe read up on Welsh history, current and past and maybe you will realize why I hate you so much. Fricking dolt.
>is vague or cries about an insult like it's reddit because won't admit he fricked up with conflating English with British like an Amerilard
You two are as stubborn as the sheep you frick on the daily.
You just proved my first comment right with that "moronic taff" bullshit but you're too much of a fricking dipshit to realize it. Frick off.
This you?
Fricking kek I almost forgot about that episode. That last bit is based af!
Free Wales Army and MAC are based and redpilled on water rights, literally did nothing wrong
based
Based sheep-shagger, haha only joking lad, what pint d'ye want?
>best bro
They weren't. As far as Malcolm was concerned England no longer existed.
>There was a bible translation in the 16th century
The New Testament alone wasn't translated into Gaelic until 1776.
Those posts are about Wales, you narcissistic porridge wog.
>Those posts are about Wales
"though so was Gaelic in Scotland by 1613."
Welsh and English are the same people, English are 2% more Danish in autosomal DNA and 20% more North Germanic Y DNA, which totals to a grand 4% difference between English Saxons and The Welsh.
yeah because everybody in the british isles descends from the same bell beaker population
>David Reich's laboratory found that 90% of Britain's Neolithic gene pool was overturned by a population from North Continental Europe characterised by the Bell Beaker culture around 1200 BC who carried a large amount of Yamnaya ancestry from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, including the R1b Haplogroup. This population lacked genetic affinity to other Bell Beaker populations, such as the Iberian Bell Beakers, but appeared to be an offshoot of the Corded Ware single grave people.[34][35] It is currently unknown whether these Beaker peoples went on to develop Celtic languages in the British Isles, or whether later Celtic migrations introduced Celtic languages to Britain.[36]
>The close genetic affinity of these Beaker people to Continental North Europeans means that British and Irish populations cluster genetically very closely with other Northwest European populations, regardless of how much Anglo-Saxon and Viking ancestry was introduced during the 1st century.[37][34]"
When will BBC BVLLs realize they are the main protag of history?
>illegal to teach and write in
No it wasn't. There was a bible translation in the 16th century.
The lax attitude towards Welsh is why it's the only Celtic language that isn't dead/dying.
I'm not convinced that Henry was especially concerned with destroying the Welsh language as such. I doubt he cared very much one way or the other. But he didn't want the administrative headaches that it might bring.
The Laws in Wales Acts removed penal laws and, as a result, were welcomed by many Welsh people.
>You hear a lot about anti-Irish sentiment from the Civil War period onward
Irish were Catholics and whenever they could were basically having a rising against British and the Protestants. England had a deep seated mistrust of Catholics by the turn of the 17th century.
>very little anti-Welsh
The Welsh were Protestant, the Church of England was the established church in Wales and in the 18th century non-conformism was a dominant feature of religion in Wales. With non-conformity came discrimination from the establishment so you can find some comments about the Welsh but it was generally on the same lines as treatment of those who were Chapel in England.
>Was the idea of 'Welsh' people anachronistic when we're talking about Civil War-Victorian Era because they, legally, were part of England?
No. People still spoke Welsh, and people still identified as Welsh that was separate to England but also part of Britain, and 'Wales' was still legally defined despite not having a separate legal system.
>Welsh language was illegal to teach and write in,
No, it wasn't. What the Wales Acts did was make English the official language in law and courts, it didn't criminalise the Welsh language.
>t. moron
nice larp homosexual.
England = Michael
Wales = Tom Hagen
Ireland = Sonny
Scotland = Fredo
Tudor propaganda was strong and he killed all the Plantagenets that were left to be any threat
Well Tudors were also Welsh descendants from H7s father so it wasn’t hard to sway the Welsh at that point to behave.
The Irish were papists but the welsh weren't. Simple as.