Wayland may not be the best thing in the world right now, but it'll improve. Soon, virtually all the issues and problems you complain about will be fixed.
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Wayland may not be the best thing in the world right now, but it'll improve.
Xorg may not be the best thing in the world right now, but it'll improve. Soon, virtually all the issues and problems you complain about will be fixed. Just you wait, another 35 years.
Wayland was started when X11 was only 14 years old and being called "ancient deprecated garbage", now Wayland is 14 years old, explain to me how it's not a complete fricking failure?
X11 is still around despite being twice as old now.
X11 was started when X11 was only 0 years old and being called "ancient deprecated garbage", now X11 is 35 years old, explain to me how it's not a complete fricking failure?
How old was X10 when X11 was started?
Your timeline is off. Real rollout of Wayland didn't start until 2016-2017.
Also, the several year period before that was all iterating on the protocol and Weston. Taking years to work on multiple drafts is actually a good thing. If they didn't do this, the Wayland protocol would be even worse than it is now. Count your blessings anon.
Also, the major difficulty is shipping a new display server and protocol means you have to solve the chicken-and-egg problem. Toolkits and apps want to start porting but they can't until a server and WM is available to test. Servers and WMs don't want to start porting until the apps are available. The only way to get a complete test going is to port both of them at the same time, this takes a lot more work than just writing a new toolkit or something.
That's just a cope. The wayland API was stablized in 2012.
Doesn't refute what I said. After 2012 the work mostly went into iterating on Weston.
It's just excuses. The very first release of xfree86 was father along than any wayland compositor currently is.
Then why aren't you using the very first release of xfree86?
Because the latest xorg release is even better.
Now that's an excuse. According to what you just said the earliest release of xfree86 made in 1992 is very usable today. That's what you're heavily implying. Delete Xorg, go run a desktop on xfree86 1.0 now. Go ship a modern linux distro using xfree86. Try it, tell me how far you get.
Don't care. The first xfree86 works for more users at the time than any wayland compositor currently does. All I hear are constant excuses from wayland tards about why their software is still shit.
>The first xfree86 works for more users at the time than any wayland compositor currently does
How did these goalposts get all the way over here?
>All I hear are constant excuses from wayland tards about why their software is still shit.
Pot, meet kettle. You had 35 years to fix your shit.
>X11
works on my machine
>wayshit
doesn't work on my machine
>wayturd
works on my machine
>X11shit
doesn't work on my machine
same. i actually gave it a real shot on my laptop the other day and everything from my touchpad to my dpi scaling was fricked beyond belief with no apparent means of fixing any of it.
meanwhile on my desktop, it's flickering glitchy madness.
i actually tried. i like new things.
it's not ready.
Sounds like you did something wrong, you should do what this guy is doing
>step 1: install wayland
>step 2: nothing works
>step 3: try to change settings to make things work
>step 4: haha jk there are no settings you do not get tap-to-click on a touchpad and fonts are blurry when display scaling is at 200%+ and that's just how it is
there are currently 41 active wayland threads
I'm the only one effortposting in these threads, so I have to assume they made them just to talk to me.
Yes, and?
We can make it 42 threads.
Or even 43.
Sky's the limit, Anon.
They both work on my machine.
This is all pointless sperging.
You people are so goddamn immature.
Wayland doesn't stutter on my 240hz monitor, and Wayland doesn't krash when I connect my 4k LG TV
It's free software so I really doubt it. Have you seen GNOME?
>FIX IT YOURSELF homosexual
>PATCH DENIED THIS GOES AGAINST OUR MANIFESTO
the c**ty wayland devs are exactly like this too. i think gnome and wayland people are cut from the same cloth.
>let's build a new display server standard! it'll take over the aging X server system and it can be super popular!
>HOWEVER
>no nvidia owners, laptop owners, non-GNOME DE users, non-standard input device users, high-dpi screen users, or any users that file bug reports are allowed to use our software
>please, community users, jump down the throat of any of these people and attack them for being moronic buttholes, thanks! -the devs
Write your own desktop and display server then. Do it without denying any patches. I dare you. In order to not be a hypocrite, you have to accept any patch that anyone sends you no matter how shitty. You have to accept it even if it breaks everything else.
nah, i'll just use X instead
Not a valid display server. X has denied patches.
kek i don't give a shit about patch acceptance
i just want software that works
have fun with whatever seething ideological rant you think you're on
>i just want software that works
Then you really don't want X.
>have fun with whatever seething ideological rant you think you're on
What rant? You seem to know more about it than me.
>failing to completely replacing the original thing
It never meant to completely replace it. That's why XWayland exists.
>siphoning off developers and users
This never happened. The developers and users are the same people.
>permanently bifurcating the space into two incompatible, competing efforts.
This never happened. XWayland exists to preserve backwards compatibility. Wayland also doesn't compete with X. They're developed by the same people.
>I'm waiting to see what Microsoft ships when they finally crap out a Linux desktop system.
You don't have to wait for Microsoft. The current commercial standard for a Linux desktop is called a Chromebook. It users with its own display server and doesn't use X or Wayland or any GNU shit whatsoever, and as a result has way more users than any other Linux desktop.
>Then you really don't want X.
well, let's see, i've been running a functional X system for over 10 years. meanwhile, every time i try to give wayland a shot - which i really do try, i like moving on to the shiny new stuff - it's a total trainwreck with at least a handful of critical features not in a working state - and usually community support with the issues amounts to "try harder stupid homosexual, don't bother us."
for example, the official position from wayland communities seems to be "you don't need tap-to-click on a touchpad, live without it"
kek.
later loser.
>i've been running a functional X system for over 10 years.
And I've been running a functional Wayland system for the same.
>it's a total trainwreck with at least a handful of critical features not in a working state
X has been in that state for everyone else, for the last 35 years.
>and usually community support with the issues amounts to "try harder stupid homosexual, don't bother us."
X has had that same level of community support, for the last 35 years.
>for example, the official position from wayland communities seems to be "you don't need tap-to-click on a touchpad, live without it"
The official position of X communities for years is "we don't care if you get keylogged, nobody needs their passwords to be kept secure"
>later loser.
Cope.
Wrong. A Chromebook is a real desktop whether you like or not. It functions exactly as it's supposed to. Real people are using millions of them to do real work right now. And before you call me a shill, I don't own one, I don't use one, but those are the facts.
>I'm not even going to reply to that other stuff, it's complete nonsense.
Cope.
Tired of what? Posting factual, relevant comments? No I don't because I'm not a shitposter.
Not bait. You want to go buy a "Linux desktop" in a store as a normal product for normal people, you buy a Chromebook. That's reality, your shit is irrelevant, deal with it.
Why are you posting pictures of your girlfriend? Keep that to yourself.
You have not been running a functional wayland system for 10 years lol.
Weston has been more or less functional for 10 years. It didn't have every feature for that whole time and the apps weren't ported but that's beside the point.
>i ran a demo playtoy for 10 years
right
X was a demo playtoy for 35 years. All of Linux is a demo playtoy. To normal people the only functional desktop is Windows, wine is a cope project that still fails to run many important programs.
ok mr. chromebook
Have you ever tried a chromebook? They work fine for what they're designed to do. They're a very efficient way to deploy web apps.
For someone like you who only uses her computer to shitpost on IQfy and check facebook, they would work great, actually.
ok google shill
Stating facts isn't shilling, sorry.
>t. born to shill
>t. born to cope
Yes, I'm coping with my working display server not named wayland quite well.
Nice, another MacOS user.
A Chromebook is not a real desktop or workstation. Nice try though.
I'm not even going to reply to that other stuff, it's complete nonsense.
Don't you ever get tired of this?
>The current commercial standard for a Linux desktop is called a Chromebook
LMAO
entire thread and all wayland """fans""" just outed as bait
opinion of entire thread may now be safely discarded
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Another case of someone completely rebuilding something that already kinda worked, failing to completely replacing the original thing, siphoning off developers and users, permanently bifurcating the space into two incompatible, competing efforts.
I'm waiting to see what Microsoft ships when they finally crap out a Linux desktop system. That will probably be the standard. Hopefully.
would unironically run open source built-for-linux dwm+explorer